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I agree with disarray & Rafa. Whatever happened to "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it". Our freedoms have been eroded in recent years and this was an attempt to go a step farther. Thank FSM for the courts :)
 
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Saw a group of French-speaking students in town - including some bloke with a giant yellow flag - reminded me of Don Quixote lol - almost using it like a lance jokingly - up and down the platform at Wynyard as a marshalling point for the trains arriving -

I asked his friend "what's with the flag ?"
"eet eez zee Vatican flag" I was told
"but no, we are no Swiss guards?"
- had a good laugh together . ;)

great atmosphere in town - thousands of different accents.
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a couple of photos to capture the confusion in town - and that yellow Vatican flag dude ;)


Hey does anyone know if the Pope brought his personal army ? ( as the Chinese torch relay did?)
PS I reckon he starves them :eek:
 

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lol - The Pilgrim's Progress? or the Pilgrim's Egress? ;)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/15/2304288.htm
Missing WYD pilgrims suspected of visa scam
Posted Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:00am AEST
Updated 3 hours 58 minutes ago

Australian and New Zealand Immigration officials and the Catholic Church in New Zealand are looking for a group of 32 Indian pilgrims, who have gone missing.

The Indians are part of a larger group of 4,000 bound for World Youth Day in Sydney this afternoon.

They made a stopover in Auckland but the 32 have disappeared from the families who were billeting them there.

It is suspected they are involved in a visa scam, with some reportedly paying more than $11,000 to an Indian agent.... etc
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I was away last week and missed this story - disgusting - looks like its as rotten as it ever was - makes me sick that these people (i.e. Pell et al) cover this stuff up and still hold positions of power and claim the moral high ground - doesn't do anything for my view of the catholic church as an institution.
 
The Pope told thousands in Sydney today that Jesus is Alive, does this mean that our Easter holidays are cancelled?
 
chops ;)
chops-with-mustard said:
If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?
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If a pandemonium is where they make teddy bears
and a condominium is where they make condoms
does that mean that the Vatican is where they make vats?

PS if serenity means saying prayers and stuff,
does that mean that amenity is when they say AMEN at the end ?
 
cuttlefish said:
I was away last week and missed this story - disgusting - looks like its as rotten as it ever was - makes me sick that these people (i.e. Pell et al) cover this stuff up and still hold positions of power and claim the moral high ground - doesn't do anything for my view of the catholic church as an institution.
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Absolutely agree. And now this organisation with a horrific record of sexual abuse and cover-ups among its upper echelon, holds this massive event in Sydney that disrupts ordinary people in their everyday lives.
If they want to hold a big rally they should have to hire one of the sporting grounds where they can rally to their hearts content, with minimal disruption to the general public who just want to get on with their day to day lives. Better still, they could head for a patch of unoccupied scrub out of the city somewhere, just like the Gympie County Music Muster does in Queensland, where they can hold their event in comfort without affecting others who don't want to be involved.

Having said all that, I'd still rather have this particular group rallying in mid city, than to have the gay mardigras mob doing the same sort of thing. At least most of these young Catholics seem like decent enough people. As Julia has pointed out, they're a big improvement on the junkies and drunks and weirdos and violent scum who are all too common in today's society.
 
bunyip said:
Having said all that, I'd still rather have this particular group rallying in mid city, than to have the gay mardigras mob doing the same sort of thing. At least most of these young Catholics seem like decent enough people. As Julia has pointed out, they're a big improvement on the junkies and drunks and weirdos and violent scum who are all too common in today's society.
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child abuse is something that permeated every facet of society, and almost all groups have covered it up... be they religious groups, or govt based secular groups (foster care, family services, etc)... or even teachers at govt/private schools.

i know a lot of male teachers who still feel the stigma of being a male teacher amongst kids, just because of the actions of a few. likewise, its hard not to feel for the 99% of good priests out there who a diligently going about their work.

I guess the older generation simply thought differently on how to deal with this issue, i.e. cover things up to up hold reputations.... Hopefully the church will have the sense to realise that the only way up hold ones reputation and stop this re-occuring, is to have a open, transparent process for dealing with this.

Its the same with the protestors... if people want to be angry and protest about anything... let them... its a free country. In fact its better for protestors to mingle with the pilgrims cause then they can see what the church is all about, and there is a lot more good to it than simply the narrow focus of their protest.

PS: not being able to go there myself…any photos/clips of the pilgrims would be great…
 
CAB SAV said:
The Pope told thousands in Sydney today that Jesus is Alive, does this mean that our Easter holidays are cancelled?
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Only for the non-believers. An athiest is a hypocrite to take a religous holiday, are they not?
 
nioka said:
Only for the non-believers. An athiest is a hypocrite to take a religous holiday, are they not?
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more.



So what should atheists do.....turn up at their usual workplace, only to find the doors or gates locked so they can't get in?
 
bunyip said:
So what should atheists do.....turn up at their usual workplace, only to find the doors or gates locked so they can't get in?
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The beauty of working for yourself.

It's not like you can go out and have fun on "Good" but **** boring Friday. So, you might as well work.

Unfortunately though, the workload is usually dictated by other people's choices.
 
nioka said:
Only for the non-believers. An athiest is a hypocrite to take a religous holiday, are they not?
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Personally I believe Jesus was born and died (hence I happily take off Christmas and Good Friday). Just that I'm not so sure about the resurrection bit - but that's on a Sunday so it's not controversial. :cool:

Hey - ! If Johnny Howard can take a holiday for Labour Day, I can take a holiday for the Queen's birthday as well :)

PS anyone know when Charlie's birthday falls? (in duke horse of course), when the Queen retires?
 
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And speaking of Queen's Birthday holiday .. I notice the Pilbara could care less when they take it lol.
 

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Back to the topic of the Catholic Church, here is an extract from Crikey today:

Sorry to break your reverie Bishop.

"The cardinal and I were otherwise occupied last night enjoying the youth festival so we didn't see the Lateline story. All I've seen is the reports in the newspapers today."

It seems the co-ordinator of World Youth Day, Bishop Anthony Fisher, has a daily reading habit that extends beyond the News Ltd press.

Only the Fairfax papers carried the yarn. The official organ of WYD08, The Australian, ignored it. "Parents fly in to confront Pell", was the headline in The Age ; the small matter of a father who claims now-Cardinal George Pell frustrated his claim for compensation after the r-pes of his primary school daughters by priest Kevin O'Donnell.

But really, best ignored, says Bishop Fisher.

"Happily, I think most of Australia was enjoying [and] delighting in the beauty and goodness of these young people and the hope for us doing these sorts of things better in the future, as we saw last night, rather than dwelling crankily, as a few people are doing, on old wounds."

Cranky. Daughters r-ped by a priest? Get over it. They just don't get it, do they?
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Good thing is that I can cross George St (main street in City of Sydney) without looking left or right for buses or cars! :D

But good on the Pilgrims...pumping money into the local economy. Saw a whole bunch of them worshipping the other beloved symbol, the Golden Arches!
 
Scary stuff ... it's like...'if we just ignore these annoying wingers, the whole abuse issue will all go away'. Any apology will be empty words unless real & strong actions are taken IMO.
As for WYD...how about "Catholic Youth Day". It's like the US baseball 'world series' where only the USA plays in it!!!!!!

Generally, I'm all for a moral compass.... and I guess a rock star pope is a better role model than Brittany, but I'd prefer to think people can apply the golden rule and judge right/wrong for themselves... somehow it all looks like "the Blind Dogma leading the Blind" to me.... a well organised publicity and recruitment drive.

- no offense meant here , but I guess some may be offended anyway.... just my take on all this at the mo. :eek:
... Maybe I'm just a super-cynic.
-Dukey
 
Perhaps people focus on the clergy too much when considering Catholicism.

The clergy cop a caning and bloody deservedly so. That George Pell probably has 666 tattooed somewhere out of sight.

But in my experience there are a lot of sincere, nice and gentle folk amongst the rank and file and whether we believe in their version of whatever, we should cut them some slack if they aren't hurting anyone.

...but continue to give the hierarchy a bloody hard time.
 

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