Next years NRL winners?

[arminius]

if thats not the most optimistic view ever im not here. dragons. top 4. lol.

yep rooters are favorites now tigerboi. parra very subdued, but they will come home with a wet sail i reckon. watch out in sept.

titans are very fit, but i dunno, away from home....

rooter, storm, bronco, parra, and penrith are the dark horses i reckon.

 

[spooly74]

Re: Parramatta very average football team...

Spooly mate,i saw some very worrying signs last night of a very average football side,ive stuck with parra for 10 rounds & they are sacked... down into the bottom with souths,saints,canberra...

The roosters forwards just deadset bashed parra last night plus juniors boy at half for the roosters is going to be in the aussie no 7 one day(hes a north ryde junior who should be at the tigers

I havent seen the roosters defence like that since the made the 3 GF'S a few years ago.wagon,cayless,hindmarsh,ridell look to me they have seen better days,hindmarsh was spotted twice in defence by big setamata sa & sa just ran over hindmarsh for 2 soft tries...

finch does alot of dumb things,if i was hagan i would put the broom thru the joint,grothe first try again at 10/1.,mateo also does dumb stuff..joel reddy is wasted out there.i reckon he would go good in the back row,give the pack some legs coz atm they are getting bashed.


tb

Yep mate, cant really disagree
Signed Finch for 3 more years, just need him to do the simple things!!!!
Missing Marsh from DH and Burt has been pretty predictable.
Agree about Reddy too, maybe when Inu returns Hagan might switch a few things.
Think we`ll make the 8 though

Watched your Tigs and it looks like you might get your wish re Morris.
Marshall and Head to start in the halfs next week .... you guys looked like scoring every time you got the ball.

Tough being an Eel.

 

[tigerboi]

ReARRA GOTTA SHOW SOME FORM FIRST

Mate i wont write them off completely BUT they look an ordinary team atm,as i didnt think my own team would come good in 2005,they were 11th at the 1/2 way & just went to leichhardt to see the storm smash us.

My girls love parra so i said the tigs are going bad well go to more parra games coz my youngest loves the young guru(1st try again at 10/1,we got 12/1 in the semi last year)so what did the tigers do?win 8 in a row storm into the top 4 & win the comp.

I remember after the storm game when the tigs were looking like finishing closer to 15th than 8th,i got out all my betting tickets that i stashed(missuss hates gambling,too bad!)i was gonna throw them all away,heaps of $20 at 150/1,heaps of $50 at 125,the kids were saying what a loser team...BUT i said i grew up in leichhardt,pulled a balmain schoolboys jersey on,i will stick fat...

I went & put them back in my brief case & forgot all about them until the 3rd last game of the proper season...deadset forgot i had them..i remember this game coz i thought this was the game v the bulldogs that would tell me if they could win the comp,dogs led 2-0,we absolutely towelled them up 54-2,from then on i backed them heavily from 12/1 all the way into $1.90 fav.

So spooly parra look slow & ordinary atm but it can change in 3 games,i wanna see them win 3 in a row,before i tipped them again..just like the racing mate,helideck has won 3 in a row & looks like winning the straddie at around 6/1....form is what parra need..(maybe hagan cant coach a team without joey?who knows..but i like newcastle as the smokeys this year)

Yep the tigers looked real good yesterday & we will be a force if morris gets the boot(he was in your gf losing team with hodgo)head has a great kicking game as i pointed out some time ago,benji looked real sharp so the next three games mate will be the 1/2 way...see how things go...tb

 

[tigerboi]

Re:SAINTS GOOD ODDS FOR THE SPOON!

Boring watching this weeks matches with most teams without their origin stars.

This however helped my dragons immensely. Hopefully the win will give them some confidence.

Slow and steady, they will end up in the top 4.

Top 4?? you mean the top 8 surely? which i cant see them make it but if you believe they can get in the top 4,you should be backing them now..good odds too!..the comp cant be won from outside the top 4 & hasnt since it started in 2000.(nrl)

saints...top 4...$34

saints...top 8...$8

saints...minor premiers...$251(titans $8)

saints ...win comp...$26

saints...to miss the 8...$1.05...or 1/20

saints...wooden spoon...$5.50...(thats your best bet,dont forget this week north qld has the bye & you play manly away.then you got souths away & broncos at home)

saints not going good enough(yep they beat the storms reserve gradeso what..)to make the 8 let alone get within a bulls roar of the top 4...

Go the spoon at $5.50 with souths at $2.20...tb

 

[mshepherd]

Go the Dragons! - or better yet - Illawarra Steelers!!

Bennett on board, Wendel looking likely. Just need Barret back from UK and Gasnier healthy then the Dragons will finally perform like they should. - Broncs and Storm shall fall...

 

[Bomba]

if thats not the most optimistic view ever im not here. dragons. top 4. lol.QUOTE]

Hahaha i have to keep the faith. I think the dragons play the broncos on an origin week, so hopefully another easy win, although the sharks struggled against the baby broncos. It must have been a dragons supporter who made up the draw.

 

[tigerboi]

You guys are very funny...

Go the Dragons! - or better yet - Illawarra Steelers!!

Bennett on board, Wendel looking likely. Just need Barret back from UK and Gasnier healthy then the Dragons will finally perform like they should. - Broncs and Storm shall fall...

So a 33 year old cocaine addict is the dragons saviour??looking to get your 1st premiership in 29 years,its no fluke the trophy cabinet has been bare since 1979,the addition of illawarra & canberra in 1982 spread the game state wide then even worse for saints when the broncos & newcastle came into the comp. in 1988.

The merger with illawarra was 10 years too late as saints didnt see the future with the game going from a suburban comp of sydney teams to in 1967 a 12 team comp with cronulla & penrith added...

The geographics of the game changed & its no fluke that penrith have won more comps in the last 17 years than the saints..

look at the some of the original city teams of:

easts...27 years between comps..1975/2002(lost 2 in between,1980,2000)

north sydney...only won 2 comps...1921,1922

south sydney...since 1972 when manly won their 1st comp,souths have made the semis 7 times,not been in a gf since 1971.they must merge to be any chance in the future.with easts...

balmain...1969 winners,1988 & 1989 runners up...we merged with wests in 2000 who hadnt won a comp for 50 years...kapow we won a comp after 5 years.

wests...last comp was in 1952 i think,they were in the same boat as norths,an expanding comp into huge regional areas with great juniors & they were going to die.

canterbury...is the one city club that prepared for the expansion,they won comps in 84,85,95 & 04...but i do think eventually there will be another 1 possibly 2 mergers...

newtown...too close to souths,canterbury,st george & balmain...they had not won a comp for 60 years when they went broke...unfortunate geograhics.

The same type of consolidation happened a long time ago when teams like glebe & university where in the comp.

future possible mergers

easts & souths

st george & cronulla

st george & souths

st george & canterbury(they already play together in a combined junior comp along with the balmain juniors)

Now lets look at the geographicals of parramatta & penrith...

Parramatta came in with manly in 1947,(manly with the great bozo won comps in 72,73 v cronulla,76 v parra their 1st gf,& 78 without fulton who returned in 87 &96 to win as coach)

Parramatta's last comp in 1986 coincided with the population shift west to penrith who have the largest juniors in world rugby league.

penrith made the semis for the first time by way of a play off for 5th v manly in 1985 i think the coach was ron willey the coach of manly in their 1st 2 premiership wins.parra ironically were too good for them 38-6.

The following year 1986 parra won their last comp,the dynasty had shifted further west & another dynasty was forming at canberra.

Penrith in 1988 once again were in a play off for 5th this time the tigers beat them 28-8 & went all the way to the grand final with ellery hanley the hero,it was a pointer to the future for penrith,yet to make the semis without a play off but they were now taken notice of.

Penrith made the 1989 semis outright this time & only to go down to the grand finalists balmain 24-12,canberra 27-18...in 1990 they beat brisbane 26-16(who lost to the other 1967 entrant cronulla 38-14 in 1989),they avenged their loss to canberra in 1989 by smashing them 30-12...BUT canberra beat them 18-14 in the grand final..

Penrith were minor premiers i think in 1991 & took revenge on canberra with royce simmons retiring with 2 tries in the 19-12 win..

penrith in the semis since parras last comp in 86(97 SL n/a)
(play off 88),89,90,91,2000,2003,2004.missed semis 05,06,07.(parra minor prems,8th,8th)runners up,90.winners,91,03,2004..gf qual,2000.lost 1st week

parra in the semis since 86 comp,98,99,2000,2001.MP,2002,2005.MP,2006,2007.

parra lost the 98,99,2000,2005 grand final qualifiers
finished 8th in 06,07 losing to melbourne.
lost the 2001 grand final

parramatta & penrith,since penrith 1st made the semis in the 88 play off have only made them together once..in 2000 with penrith out the first week & parra losing the gf qualifier...you can now see how parra have gone since the important milestones..both in 1988.

1.Penrith making the semis after parras last premiership.

2.brisbane & newcastle enter the comp in 1988.both have won grand finals.

So it is a geographical shift out west & new teams that parra has had to contend with,but the stats also show that when 1 team makes the semis its unlikely the other will...

This also points directly to the lack of success for st george over the last 29 years of not one premiership victory,when teams without previous wins & new teams go from strength to strength such as newcastle,canberra,wests tigers,brisbane,melbourne,teams that have won comps in recent years since 1988...plus the surprise packets this year of the titans ironically coached by john cartwright the penrith 2nd rower during their emergence in the dynasty of some great players.

These teams have built dynasties in a very short time like,brisbane,canberra,newcastle,melbourne...all regional teams that miss the disadvantage that city teams like souths,st george,cronulla & parramatta have to grapple with,i wonder in the future if parra will try to merge with penrith??

those 4 teams st george,cronulla(no comps yet),souths,parra have gone a total 130 years without winning a comp..

here it is..the closest you will ever get to winning the comp,cronulla will win one before your sooks..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpFkPh64I_Q&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYM0-NlM_pA&feature=related

 

[tigerboi]

Re:GALLOP,CLUBS WILL GO BROKE

David gallop the boss of the nrl must have read this thread? story today speaks of the dire straits of the sydney clubs,in particular st george-illawarra,cronulla,penrith...just what i said yesterday..too many sydney teams.

We will eventually see saints & cronulla merge,its gotta happen & as much as the fans dont like it,the geograhics of those teams are too close,i was against the tigers merging at first with wests as im a tigerboi 100% but the alternative was to go broke.come 2005 we are lifting the trophy..

As for penrith the pokie tax has hit hard & they may also merge with parra one day in the future as well...a super western team would have a huge junior league..

Now onto the SOO tonight,qld will be very hard to beat BUT its in our backyard..sydney & we all know the cane toads dont like getting any further south of the tweed!

Craig bellamy is a very astute coach of the game & you only gotta look to the storm to see his game plan will be to tackle qld out of the game..wallace & bird i think hold the key in the halves,but also look for jarryd hayne to have a blinder to make up for his blue last year.

On the punt.

nsw to win with the start at $1.90(2.5 start to nsw)

1st try scorer,going for value with the back rowers in mason & gallen...
mason & gallen...$15.00 each

80min margin....draw..$21.00,..trendsetters i reckon this is the bet of the night,20/1 for a draw at fulltime...how close do these games end up all the time?.thats a 20 bagger for a draw...great value for the 2 best teams in rugby league...

go the blues...tb

 

[Bomba]

is there extra time in SOO?

If so is it golden point?

 

[tigerboi]

is there extra time in SOO?

If so is it golden point?

Yep mate but the betting ends at 80 minutes,so i think 20/1 for a draw in SOO imo is a very good wager...

yep extra time is in soo,so if you back the draw & nsw with the 2.5 start & either team kicks a field goal in extra time you still collect on 2 bets...

nsw with 2.5 start

draw at 80mins

remember this stat:12 games at anz,qld 1 win...thats 1 win only,i would never back a horse with 1 win at say ranwick...nsw are $2.20 to win outright,thats 1 1/5th a bag in a 2 horse race....great odds as well or you get $1.90 with 2.5 start...thats 90% profit!

what about the nsw punter who has had $700,000 large on qld at $1.74..
what a fool...1/12 down here....tb

 

[golfmos123]

TB,

Before you start counting chickens before they've hatched for SOO tonight, don't forget the Michael Crocker streak!! He's now won 32 in a row in all competitions, and hasn't played in a losing team since Round 24, 2005 !!!

He must think league is an easy game - you turn up, run on, hit people and then run off having scored more points than your opposition!!

GO THE MAROONS

 

[Bomba]

the dragons should by Crocker, maybe this is the only way they can hit a winning streak.

 

[golfmos123]

the dragons should by Crocker, maybe this is the only way they can hit a winning streak.

Mate, he might be a great player (arguable), but what you are asking for is a miracle!! Even he wouldn't be able to help the Saints

 

[golfmos123]

There you have it - the Crocker streak is no more, stopped at 32 by the NSW Blues.

As a patriotic Maroon boy, I have to admit we were outplayed tonight and the big NSW forwards gave it to us in defence. But as well as the blues played and as badly as Qld played, the score was still relatively close albeit made look better by a late try.

Thought the ref had a poor game and was too scared to blow his whistle, giving NSW some latitude in the wrestle. Qld tried too hard with the ball and turned it over too many times early in the tackle count. Great game by Wallace, possibly the best origin debut by a playmaker for some time - he went well. The better side won and we move on to Suncorp in a few weeks time.

Prince for Qld #7.........

 

[Bomba]

great win by the blues. They were brutal in defence. They just kept on slamming Billy Slater and the rest of the Queenslanders.

 

[tigerboi]

Re:GO THE BLUES!!$2.20 SPECIALS,QLD..HA HA

Craig bellamy is a very astute coach of the game & you only gotta look to the storm to see his game plan will be to tackle qld out of the game..wallace & bird i think hold the key in the halves,but also look for jarryd hayne to have a blinder to make up for his blue last year.
go the blues...tb

Ahh the tigerboi cystal ball again!wallace my 14/1 bolter...

What did i say trendsetters???tackle them out of the game..we just came out & bashed qld...

remember this stat:12 games at anz,qld 1 win...thats 1 win only,i would never back a horse with 1 win at say ranwick...nsw are $2.20 to win outright,thats 1 1/5th a bag in a 2 horse race....great odds as well or you get $1.90 with 2.5 start...thats 90% profit!what about the nsw punter who has had $700,000 large on qld at $1.74..
what a fool...1/12 down here....tb

Fancy lobbing down here after winning 1/12 & at $1.70 to boot!!

hey it was like taking candy from a baby...$2.20 i got before a late plunge had us into $2.10...

as i said...defence,wallace & bird held the key..

quinn great game,but the turning point in the game for me was & some might think maybe not,but in the 22nd minute with us up 6-0,qld had a 2nd set on our line & thurston put the grubber in but hayne read it well got back in goal & then ran it out...that was a great play..qld after that just ran out of ideas.

I thought cooper had a deadset super game in defence as the qld outside backs never saw the ball,cooper was in their face all night,as i expected bellamy did target slater & inglis(shirt grabber) in defence..gasnier showed up inglis down the blind in a show n go to put stewart in.

Stewart has to modify his in goal pick ups & returns,instead of picking up with his back turned he has to pick up side on to cut the angle out so that he has a better chance of getting out of the in goal,atm he is turning blind & losing vital time which gives the qld chasers a few extra metres to get to him

The forwards were great with fitzgibbon the backbone of the early defensive onslaught,i thought the score flattered qld as nsw were dominant for the full 80mins,qld points came at 39.58 minutes in the first half & in the 79th minute when it mattered least.

Thurston as i said before has a poor clearing kicking game & why qld picked the no.7 of the 2nd last team over prince is beyond me,prince will make a big diff in brisbane but only if he plays half & thurston goes to 5/8..

Having that selection in mind i still think nsw will win the 2nd game...

go the blues...too easy

NSW IN FOR ANOTHER EASY TRY!

 

[justjohn]

the dragons should by Crocker, maybe this is the only way they can hit a winning streak.

Bomba if you hadn't notice the dragons are on a winning streak ,anyway Crocker wouldn't get a run

 

[justjohn]

Geez Tigger give yourself a rap why dont you ,of cause if the blues win Wallace would get the applause and visa-versa .It's a shame every time a game is won the 1/2 is a hero ,sure he had a good game but there was at least 3-4 better than him

 

[tigerboi]

Re:SAVED BY THE BELLAMY!

THE 2008 Origin series may well prove to be one carved out of the hope that a promising lad of 22 will become a brilliant on-field leader in just nine days.
Debutant Peter Wallace, drafted into the NSW team as possibly the fourth-choice halfback, played with a confidence that was almost spooky, taking charge of the Blues' kicking game and involving himself in the first two tries.
Wallace was a late arrival from Brisbane to the Blues camp but his mature display last night, when he also had to cope with the defensive workload of being a target for the Queensland ball-runners, indicated NSW have found a mature tactical leader for years to come.
Wallace, who may as well have worn a bullseye on his chest, was a focus of runners Greg Inglis and Sam Thaiday and had made 17 tackles by half-time.
Playing a brand of football both daring and decisive, the Blues comprehensively defeated a a dispirited and at times desultory and disjointed Queensland 18-10.
While Wallace deserves much praise for his debut, NSW coach Craig Bellamy came up with a game plan under which his players appeared to relish their assigned roles. It mightn't have been so technically elegant that it would have made a computer geek drool, but his strategy was to play direct, with a hard-hitting, edgy style.
Bellamy's original gameplan, formulated months ago, centred on Newcastle utility Kurt Gidley. The coach proposed a direct game, with hooker Danny Buderus and halfback Gidley - the duo Newcastle club mates - responsible for the attack, focusing on the middle third of the field.
However, Gidley's injury (ironically picked up in a game against Bellamy's Melbourne Storm) and his replacement by Wallace forced a change of strategy. In order to take some responsibility and therefore pressure off Wallace, Bellamy split the halves, sending Wallace to the right and five-eighth Greg Bird to the left when in their own territory. They were instructed to link in Queensland's half of the field and the first try came after five minutes, when they took the first two passes from the ruck.
They launched a midfield raid to the left, passing to second-rower Ryan Hoffman, whose wild pass was scooped up miraculously by fullback Brett Stewart, who passed to wing Anthony Quinn.
The Blues' second try also involved Wallace when he kicked perfectly to Quinn, giving the 25-year-old two tries, also in his debut match.
Bellamy's decision to start with benchman Craig Fitzgibbon also paid dividends when the 30-year-old converted the first try from the sideline.

A cursory glance at the program statistics revealed this was a no-brainer. Fitzgibbon's 16 goals this season, with Mark Gasnier the next on one, showed the Blues needed a goal-kicker on the field at the start - together with the fact the Roosters forward is an 80-minute player and therefore wasted energy coming on late.
There is nothing more dispiriting for a team to have their lead cut by a try just before the break.
Queensland scored their first as the half-time hooter sounded, with Brent Tate placing one hand on the ball following a kick by half Johnathan Thurston.
Gasnier, who set up the Blues' third try in the first half, showed Queensland's try on half-time had not demoralised his team when he made a long, confident break after the interval and put the game beyond doubt, setting up the fourth try in the 68th minute.
Buderus played with guile, guts and energy that spoke volumes for his passion for the jumper.
The Queensland experiment of playing Karmichael Hunt as five-eighth shaped as a success early on, when he executed some monster tackles, but he failed as a pivot in linking with Queensland's brilliant centres, Inglis and Justin Hodges.
The Maroons almost scored a spectacular try when Billy Slater broke from his own half as if chased by the hounds of hell, but the action was diffused at the other end when Nate Myles's wild pass was intercepted.
Yet there was calm amidst the chaos, as the NSW defenders, scattered all over the field, showed the composure that comes with good coaching.
Under Bellamy, where once there was panic, there is now patience.

Wallace clan crest...ready for war

 

[tigerboi]

Re:JJ SHOW SOME BALLS...FOR ONCE

Geez Tigger give yourself a rap why dont you ,of cause if the blues win Wallace would get the applause and visa-versa .It's a shame every time a game is won the 1/2 is a hero ,sure he had a good game but there was at least 3-4 better than him

Hey jj thats the diff with me & you,i back him as a 14/1 bolter just to make the team,never mind man of the match...(wallace the bolterremember?)

you had nothing to say...so you got nothing to say

why dont you show some balls,i get on here every week giving out different tips,just shows what a real loser you are,i tipped the last 3 out of 4 winners in brisbane & you wanna have $10 each way....only girls bet like that..shows me how much dash you got....------more dash here than you----

maybe if you said a few things like where the game will be won etc then you can say yep ill just blow my own trumpet if you dont mind..

make a few insightful predictions,try to pick a winner for once in your life...instead of being a nark ready to 5hitcan anything said...tb