Who are you voting for?

[rederob]

It does look as if there has been a late swing to the Liberals. Probably the thoughts are either, "the devil you know" or "a safer pair of hands".

How about a statistical aberration!
I have followed the polling very closely and I haven't come across this so called "late swing" in recent hours.

 

[2020hindsight]

Don't forget Julia, that rainfall is always higher under federal Labor.

Like I have said, if you trash the education system like has happened, this is the result. I'd hazard a guess that Labor will increase the number of places at Universities, because of the different funding arrangements and agreements. But the damage is going to be present, like you have listed above, for the next 10 years, until the the balance is brought back and essential service places in Unis are increased.

AWA's have totally f*cked the aged care industry, due to the linking of funding and licensing to the staffing arrangements. Not nurses, but carers etc. Ala TAFEs and child care centres. It's not really a wonder therefore that they can't get people to staff them.

Rudd promised here (Perth) to develop a centre for water excellence, I believe in collaboration with the ISTP (Institute for Sustainable Terchnology and Policy), where I am a student, to develop technology and implement water plans and policy for the rest of Australia. It went totally unreported as far as I'm aware..

great posts Julia and chops ..
all this duplication and waste - new tech colleges? why?
why not make the existing ones work??

as they say .... If it's broke - fix it !!

 

[2020hindsight]

.......
Honestly, pollies have plenty of air time on the TV and radio channels to talk/debate endlessly about their "policies" - so WHY ARE THEY SPENDING ZILLIONS TO HAMMER US WITH PROPOGANDA ADS??????? The current un-regulated situation is just plain ridiculous.....

So, can someone point me in the right polling booth direction??? AJ

howdy AJ
did I hear $192mill spent by coalition in last 12 months ( tax payers money btw - not their own) ? - ( I knew the coalition / govt spent about $111 in the 12 months to March, but it seems that "necessary dissemination of government information" suddenly escalation in recent months - hence $190mill + for the last 12 months. That would be double the normal rate

telling us how fair and well resourced the current systems are ...
what a waste of money that was.

I hear the libs complain that the unions fund some of the ads for labor - well that's honest money at least - not like raiding govt coffers and saying it belongs to the coalition for their ads (imo)

 

[tech/a]

I hear the libs complain that the unions fund some of the ads for labor - well that's honest money at least - not like raiding govt coffers and saying it belongs to the coalition for their ads (imo)

Really?

The unions dont have an agenda?
Why do they not fund liberal ad campaigns?

 

[Aussiejeff]

Actually, I don't care WHO is doing the ADVERTISING PROPOGANDA.

What I AM against is the UNSOLICITED nature of the drivel - from all sides - that is foisted on free to air TV and radio.

It's bad enough with the MAIL OUT ELECTIONEERING SPAM but you can't chose NOT to see the ads on TV or hear them on radio - there's JUST TOO MANY TO STOP in any one day!

You can decide NOT to buy a newspaper and see the pages of PROPOGANDA (gee, did I use that word again?) or to NOT visit the Party websites (eeew!) or to NOT watch a payTV channel running political bumph, but the free to air media should be just that - FREE FROM DAMN POLITICAL ADVERTISING - honestly, what value is there in it to any party?

Double grrrrr....


AJ

 

[skint]

Actually, I don't care WHO is doing the ADVERTISING PROPOGANDA.

What I AM against is the UNSOLICITED nature of the drivel - from all sides - that is foisted on free to air TV and radio.

It's bad enough with the MAIL OUT ELECTIONEERING SPAM but you can't chose NOT to see the ads on TV or hear them on radio - there's JUST TOO MANY TO STOP in any one day!

You can decide NOT to buy a newspaper and see the pages of PROPOGANDA (gee, did I use that word again?) or to NOT visit the Party websites (eeew!) or to NOT watch a payTV channel running political bumph, but the free to air media should be just that - FREE FROM DAMN POLITICAL ADVERTISING - honestly, what value is there in it to any party?

Double grrrrr....


AJ

Radio and TV media blackout begins at midnight tonight. In the meantime - "calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean"

 

[numbercruncher]

Why do they not fund liberal ad campaigns?

Probably for the same reason that the cult of the "exclusive brethren" etc fund Liberals and not Labor, differing Ideaologies ?

 

[2020hindsight]

Really?

The unions dont have an agenda?
Why do they not fund liberal ad campaigns?

tech
I think you missed the point
the unions (on behalf of Labor) use honest money to push their agenda -
the coaltion use taxed money

see the difference?

 

[noirua]

Labor appear to have a greener agenda which may slow the export of coal, iron ore and pig iron. This would worsen the Australian economy over time and lead to higher taxes.
Australia is moving ahead and looks to be taken more seriously in the world. Like it or not, it's the strength and wealth of the economy that counts.

 

[Rafa]

Probably for the same reason that the cult of the "exclusive brethren" etc fund Liberals and not Labor, differing Ideaologies ?

I find it amazing that people who consider themselves athiest still vote for the Liberals when their policies closely line up with the bible belt...

 

[Julia]

and you are still voting for these people julia? after everything that you've seen you are encourageing them to do it again? condoning their actions?
all because you're afraid of what might happen?
bizarre.

Arminius, I've not yet decided who I am voting for as I've already said on this thread. My whole point is that - although I am unhappy with much the government has done - I simply don't believe that a change to Labor will do anything other than bring many of the same plus a whole set of new problems.
I'm not a dedicated Liberal voter. I have voted Labor in the past. I voted Labor in the State elections. Just can't see that Mr Rudd and his team offer any improvement over the Libs. And I have yet to read a single post on this thread which offers any concrete basis for believing that Labor will make Australia a better place. All I've read from ardent Labor supporters is belief or faith. A bit like religion really.

 

[Julia]

Actually, I don't care WHO is doing the ADVERTISING PROPOGANDA.

What I AM against is the UNSOLICITED nature of the drivel - from all sides - that is foisted on free to air TV and radio.

It's bad enough with the MAIL OUT ELECTIONEERING SPAM but you can't chose NOT to see the ads on TV or hear them on radio - there's JUST TOO MANY TO STOP in any one day!

You can decide NOT to buy a newspaper and see the pages of PROPOGANDA (gee, did I use that word again?) or to NOT visit the Party websites (eeew!) or to NOT watch a payTV channel running political bumph, but the free to air media should be just that - FREE FROM DAMN POLITICAL ADVERTISING - honestly, what value is there in it to any party?

Double grrrrr....


AJ

I even received an email yesterday from the Greens candidate.
No idea how she found my address: I've never had any contact with the Greens.

Replied telling her it was an invasion of my privacy and to please remove me from her mailing list. Just as bad as John Howard making phone calls to individuals, well a recorded message.

 

[Duckman#72]

I'm not a dedicated Liberal voter. I have voted Labor in the past. I voted Labor in the State elections. Just can't see that Mr Rudd and his team offer any improvement over the Libs. And I have yet to read a single post on this thread which offers any concrete basis for believing that Labor will make Australia a better place. All I've read from ardent Labor supporters is belief or faith. A bit like religion really.

A fanstastic summary of the election and all the posts to date.

The Libs have been very negative and appear have made a hash of the campaign however Labor appear more and more superficial (nice ads, snappy soundbites, real "Sunrise" stuff but I'm not convinced).

They are the McDonald's of politics. They make you want to come in and try their food..........(but I don't think it's that good for you - despite what they say)

 

[Aussiejeff]

Radio and TV media blackout begins at midnight tonight. In the meantime - "calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean"

Thanks, skint, for those calming, soothing words (MEDIA BLACKOUT... hooray!)

I can't wait to see what Johnny Santa pulls out of his sack AT THE LAST MINUTE before the blackout commences .... mebbe a spare "extra" 10 Billion for even more tax cuts?


AJ

 

[Rafa]

I think faith is a major driver in all elections... faith that the person you vote for will make your life better... Alas... what people fail to realise, only YOU can help yourself!

People have found that out the hard way after having faith in Howard last election, with his 'who do you trust' campaign...

Maybe Julia... a lot of people have lost faith in Howard...



But back to politics...

At this stage between the two, i expect the country to be run is much the same way, but with a touch more compassion, less vilification of minorities, and more oppurtunities for the poor to improve their lot with education and training (not facing 100k HECS debts...)

Health, i am not too fussed... no matter how bad our health system is, its still bloody good by world standards.

Infrastructure, i'd like to see money spent on infrastructure, especially rail and broadband and renewable energy.

 

[noco]

Noco,

This site poll is obviously is obviously Biased towards people who invest in stocks and use the internet.

Just as the courier mail survey is biased towards Internet users from Brisbane.

Just as the stamp collectors almanac's political survey is biased towards stamp collectors.

I would suggest that liberal supporters can see this as well ? surely its not just Labor supporter's who excercise commonsense ?




Clearly something must be broke for the coalition to be losing so much support from middle Australia.

And if you so dissappointed with Qld STATE government, how is retaining the same Federal Gov going to alter things ? Johnny is obviously not providing the required Federal support for Australias states and territories.

How naive you are Numbercruncher, do you believe that only Liberal supporters use the internet? How can the Courier Mail know who is Labor and who is Liberal when using the internet except when they vote on the poll?

And just look at the Courier Mail today; 21,212 voters: Labor 32% Liberals 58%. Looks like Labor is down and out for the count in Queensland. Don't tell me you believe the Courier Mail is rigging this ballot. Maybe you only like to believe in the polls that favour Labor. How pathetic!

The state Labor Governments are receiving all the GST and more each year. 'Tis a pity they can't manage it better. Never hear the Labor Party talk about rolling back the GST anymore. 'Tis also a pity they did not stick to their agreement in abolishing a lot of their state tax's when given the GST. It would make it a lot easier on new home buyers.

I'll stick with the Libs. Who wants coast to coast Labor? What a disaster that would be. Some say it would be good if they all sang from the same sheet of music. The only trouble is the looney left and the right of Labor could never sing in harmony. One would be out of tune with other.

 

[The Mint Man]

Never hear the Labor Party talk about rolling back the GST anymore. 'Tis also a pity they did not stick to their agreement in abolishing a lot of their state tax's when given the GST. It would make it a lot easier on new home buyers.

I'll stick with the Libs. Who wants coast to coast Labor? What a disaster that would be. Some say it would be good if they all sang from the same sheet of music. The only trouble is the looney left and the right of Labor could never sing in harmony. One would be out of tune with other.

Excellent points.
Really makes you wonder what they will actually do with the IR laws when they get in.... I mean they say that they will do this and that but like Peter Garrett said, they will just change it all once they get in.

Cheers

 

[skint]

How naive you are Numbercruncher, do you believe that only Liberal supporters use the internet? How can the Courier Mail know who is Labor and who is Liberal when using the internet except when they vote on the poll?

And just look at the Courier Mail today; 21,212 voters: Labor 32% Liberals 58%. Looks like Labor is down and out for the count in Queensland. Don't tell me you believe the Courier Mail is rigging this ballot. Maybe you only like to believe in the polls that favour Labor. How pathetic!.

No, its you who's being naive here. A poll from this paper or that paper has zero reliability. It merely reflects the viewpoint of people who are likely to read that particular paper. For example, I vote Labor and read the Sydney Morning Herald. If I believed the polls in the SMH, I would be under the impression that Labor will every seat in the country. Whilst Newspoll and other polls are imperfect instruments, they are the most reliable we've have. Be interested to hear your comments come Monday if the coalition are trounced in Queensland.

 

[noirua]

Swing to Liberals in Western Australia "will make it increasingly difficult for Labor to win": http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/21/2096767.htm

 

[2020hindsight]

Radio and TV media blackout begins at midnight tonight.

thanks skint - that's the best news I've had for weeks

(btw - if you hear eerie noises after midnight, it'll just be Joh BPetersen rolling over in his grave thinking that Greens might outpoll the Nationals )