Ben Cousins - what action should the AFL take?
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I think the legislation may be at fault with regard to specifying whether valium is injectable or in tablet form. Would it really be legal for people to have a restricted drug, in their possession, that was not prescribed for them? I dont think that would be the intent of the law at all. But it seems to have been written this way. Taking this further, with pseudoephidrine (as in sudafed); people are frequently arrested for having stockpiles of this tablet as it is a precursor to an illicit drug. Yet you can buy it over the counter.
So there are some real issues in how the legislation is worded.
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Prospector, have you tried to buy any over the counter pseudoephidrine prodcut in the last couple of years? I'd imagine it's easier to get a low doc loan hehe.
ID required and name and address recorded for purchase.
Cheers,
ID required and name and address recorded for purchase.
Cheers,
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Yes, it is a trial but you can get it. Unlike valium, for which you need script. But since when have drug producers obtained pseudoephidrine in the legal way. I can remember when you could buy sudafed in Coles! Such is progress!
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Forget about the Valium....
It's the cocaine binge he has just been on (for four days?) while he was supposed to be in a US drug rehab centre that has me fuming....
What an ***hole. He's been laughing his t1ts off at society and our laws all along. What a great PUBLIC role model for young people.
Grrrrr....
AJ
It's the cocaine binge he has just been on (for four days?) while he was supposed to be in a US drug rehab centre that has me fuming....
What an ***hole. He's been laughing his t1ts off at society and our laws all along. What a great PUBLIC role model for young people.
Grrrrr....
AJ
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and to all the bleeding hearts out there, who think its just so hard for a young sportsman, or anyone, to cope with situations, and need all the assistance in the world, dont forget their families LIE TO THE WORLD TOO.
as with anyone in this situation, ignore him and he will go away - maybe for good.
as with anyone in this situation, ignore him and he will go away - maybe for good.
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Poor Ben!!! How I would hate to have my every move splashed around the media like his is!!! Don't believe all you read....
I just hope none of you ever suffer from a mental illness!!!! Or be treated unfairly or just be a little bit different!!! I feel that Ben is being discriminated by the Media/AFL and it is not a fair trial!!!! I feel for his family, friends and anyone else that is struggling in times of need....
I just hope none of you ever suffer from a mental illness!!!! Or be treated unfairly or just be a little bit different!!! I feel that Ben is being discriminated by the Media/AFL and it is not a fair trial!!!! I feel for his family, friends and anyone else that is struggling in times of need....
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Oh yeah.
Because everyone with a mental illness or a drug induced psychosis gets a $250,000 rehab programme to "blow".
What a joke of a person, and a complete and abject failure.
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some say its not untill you hit rock bottom that you cam make a change....seems this guy has a way to go yet
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"Poor Ben"??????
How much more help do you want to see him offered?
Dozens of people falling over backwards on his behalf and he is thumbing his nose at all of them.
What the **** is it with you football fans that you can't perceive any level of reality about these so called stars?
How much more help do you want to see him offered?
Dozens of people falling over backwards on his behalf and he is thumbing his nose at all of them.
What the **** is it with you football fans that you can't perceive any level of reality about these so called stars?
Ben Cousins will need to get more serious about the problem he has. He needs to properly face up to it and comply with the rehab program. I reckon that the AFL should suspend him until he proves that he's taken the issue seriously. He's been an excellent footballer on the field, but needs to realise that he's not seting a good example for young and impressionable fans.
Its foolish to play with drugs. For his own sake I hope he wakes up before its too late. I for one would like to see him play provided he becomes a good role model.
Its foolish to play with drugs. For his own sake I hope he wakes up before its too late. I for one would like to see him play provided he becomes a good role model.
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I suspect this latest episode has probably brought him a bit closer to the reality of his situation. He looks like he's been in a fair bit of denial and its going to be a tough time for him. I wish him luck, he's only human, its going to be a difficult time for him and he'll find out what he's really made of.
At the end of the day most addicts tend to burn quite a few bridges before coming to their senses so he's not alone there. And until he realises his plight there's not much point anyone trying to help him. In some ways lavishing the attention on him and sending him off to rehab when he's clearly not committed to it, and defending him and his behaviour, is probably only serving to prolong the situation.
At the end of the day most addicts tend to burn quite a few bridges before coming to their senses so he's not alone there. And until he realises his plight there's not much point anyone trying to help him. In some ways lavishing the attention on him and sending him off to rehab when he's clearly not committed to it, and defending him and his behaviour, is probably only serving to prolong the situation.
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Disgrace. He had his chance let others
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flying fish not sure what you meant to imply by quoting my post above but in case my comments have been misinterpreted.
I agree completely with what you're saying - his behaviour has been a disgrace and he doesn't deserve any special sympathy or treatment whatsoever. He's done a lot of damage and shown only contempt to those that have given him olive branches and support.
BUT
*IF* he does actually come to the realisation of what he's doing and what he's done and try's to turn himself around he's going to have a hard time achieving it - not least because he's pi*sed a lot of people off and justifiably so and he's not going to find much sympathy for his situation even if he does turn it around. So IF he genuinely realises the errors of his ways and genuinely wants to try to turn it around he's going to have a tough time and I do wish him luck with it.
Should he get any special treatment in that process? - absolutely not. Should he be allowed to play again - no not at the expense of others. He should be thanking his lucky stars that he's alive, he's not in jail, and that he's still got people surrounding him that are willing to support him if he tries to get through this.
On the other hand, If he doesn't face up to what he's doing and stays in denial then he's just going to keep going down the slippery slope creating misery for himself and those around him. And those around him shouldn't keep enabling his behaviour by defending it.
I agree completely with what you're saying - his behaviour has been a disgrace and he doesn't deserve any special sympathy or treatment whatsoever. He's done a lot of damage and shown only contempt to those that have given him olive branches and support.
BUT
*IF* he does actually come to the realisation of what he's doing and what he's done and try's to turn himself around he's going to have a hard time achieving it - not least because he's pi*sed a lot of people off and justifiably so and he's not going to find much sympathy for his situation even if he does turn it around. So IF he genuinely realises the errors of his ways and genuinely wants to try to turn it around he's going to have a tough time and I do wish him luck with it.
Should he get any special treatment in that process? - absolutely not. Should he be allowed to play again - no not at the expense of others. He should be thanking his lucky stars that he's alive, he's not in jail, and that he's still got people surrounding him that are willing to support him if he tries to get through this.
On the other hand, If he doesn't face up to what he's doing and stays in denial then he's just going to keep going down the slippery slope creating misery for himself and those around him. And those around him shouldn't keep enabling his behaviour by defending it.
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have you all hung this guy enough yet?
wheres the crosses and the white hoods??
pretty sad thread
wheres the crosses and the white hoods??
pretty sad thread
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So you are saying that Cousins refused the assessment because he knew the process was flawed?
From the media, the reasons given for the charges are being dropped are that the 'wrong' person was going to do the assessment. Not that the other elements of the offence weren't there, but a process error occurred which was enough to cause evidentiary issues in court.
Explains why many disaffected youth don't know the difference between right and wrong anymore.
It's pretty offensive to compare the KKK who targetted people just because they were black; with the situation where someone is known to abuse drugs, has avoided the consequences of drug and alcohol abuse through fair means and foul over and over again, be paid a salary which the public contribute to by means of membership and games tickets, and not expect some media and public scrutiny. The media have been all over the top with this, but it isnt as though they didnt have the fuel in the first place.
From the media, the reasons given for the charges are being dropped are that the 'wrong' person was going to do the assessment. Not that the other elements of the offence weren't there, but a process error occurred which was enough to cause evidentiary issues in court.
Explains why many disaffected youth don't know the difference between right and wrong anymore.
It's pretty offensive to compare the KKK who targetted people just because they were black; with the situation where someone is known to abuse drugs, has avoided the consequences of drug and alcohol abuse through fair means and foul over and over again, be paid a salary which the public contribute to by means of membership and games tickets, and not expect some media and public scrutiny. The media have been all over the top with this, but it isnt as though they didnt have the fuel in the first place.
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well I just want to say well done hangseng - you called it correctly from day 1.
likewise explod ..
you'd have to conclude that it's best not to be in the crosshairs of the cops when they have "made up their mind" (irrespective of the facts)
and the tainted publicity and the lopsided media - sheesh ! (maybe not as bad as the Chamberlains - but heading that way)
ok Cousins isn't perfect - but then again, at the end of the day, it's the cops who are apologising here. (and sounds like they should be too) - valium sheesh
likewise explod ..
you'd have to conclude that it's best not to be in the crosshairs of the cops when they have "made up their mind" (irrespective of the facts)
and the tainted publicity and the lopsided media - sheesh ! (maybe not as bad as the Chamberlains - but heading that way)
ok Cousins isn't perfect - but then again, at the end of the day, it's the cops who are apologising here. (and sounds like they should be too) - valium sheesh
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Geez... the redneck WA cops who totally screwed up their case against Cousins have acted like rank amateurs. Whoever is/are responsible for the fiasco should be hauled over the coals and sacked for bringing the WA Police force into disrepute...
Mind you, as an ex-sandgroper of many years meself, I never did have much faith in the WA Walloper's policing effectiveness. There have been so many mis-trials and mis-carriages of "justice" in the Wild West in the past and more recently due to police corruption or just plain stupid incompetence (usually someone stuffing up the paperwork or "losing the evidence somewhere, or wrongful arrests") that it beggars belief.
Now, not only does the Justice system look bad, but Bennie's off the hook to go run amock again with impunity and the AFL looks like a bunch of schmucks to boot.
Go figure....
AJ
Mind you, as an ex-sandgroper of many years meself, I never did have much faith in the WA Walloper's policing effectiveness. There have been so many mis-trials and mis-carriages of "justice" in the Wild West in the past and more recently due to police corruption or just plain stupid incompetence (usually someone stuffing up the paperwork or "losing the evidence somewhere, or wrongful arrests") that it beggars belief.
Now, not only does the Justice system look bad, but Bennie's off the hook to go run amock again with impunity and the AFL looks like a bunch of schmucks to boot.
Go figure....
AJ
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Not possible... they are already there...
This whole beat-up is about a lot more than just Cousins... a whole lot more..
Cheers
..........Kauri
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well I just want to say well done hangseng - you called it correctly from day 1.
likewise explod ..
you'd have to conclude that it's best not to be in the crosshairs of the cops when they have "made up their mind" (irrespective of the facts)
and the tainted publicity and the lopsided media - sheesh ! (maybe not as bad as the Chamberlains - but heading that way)
ok Cousins isn't perfect - but then again, at the end of the day, it's the cops who are apologising here. (and sounds like they should be too) - valium sheesh
Cheers Hindsight.
Unlike some others I don't go out of my way to destroy people and as I said I uphold our basic right of innocence until proven otherwise.
The outcome surprises me not one bit. Some on this thread should hang their respective heads in shame and have displayed a trait I dislike immensely about Australians in 2007. Putting the boots in while someone is down is cowardly, even more so behind a nic.
