Ben Cousins - what action should the AFL take?

[doctorj]

Play the ball, not the man please folks.

 

[hangseng]

Play the ball, not the man please folks.

No problem, last of my posts here.

 

[wayneL]

I see the dog pack is out in force, drooling over the last of the pickings.

Never satisfied are you, just keep on kicking. The only smirking I am noticing is in the weak snide comments. Displays a very poor side of your personality.

You're very defensive of Benny... more emotive about it than what would be a normal sense of fair play. Why?

NB. By your above comments you actually cancel your moral right to criticize those criticizing Ben... and treading very close (probably breaking) the ASF code of conduct.

Support Ben if you feel you must, but play the ball, not the man.

Wayne
(mod)

 

[2020hindsight]

Hopefully now the AFL will force the AFLPA to suck it up and agree to a proper drug code, so that the players can't abuse drugs. And the distinction between illicit drug use and performance enhancing use is brought up to the international standard.

Would also like to see a more specific statement from the AFL, and a press conference without Bender smirking.

makes sense to me chops

hang - think of it this way ...
when you keep quoting forefathers,
think of it as drugs advice to the next generation, "for fathers"

 

[kgee]

Especially as there was no evidence of this in the years where symptoms need to be noticed in order for a diagnosis to be made.

Chops can you clarrify that??
At a Guess I'd think 99% of people with Bi-Polar wouldn't get diagnosed untill they've had a manic episode?

 

[hangseng]

You're very defensive of Benny... more emotive about it than what would be a normal sense of fair play. Why?

NB. By your above comments you actually cancel your moral right to criticize those criticizing Ben... and treading very close (probably breaking) the ASF code of conduct.

Support Ben if you feel you must, but play the ball, not the man.

Wayne
(mod)

Wayne
There is no sense of fair play on this thread, the opening poll displayed what this was about from the beginning. As to why? There is more to this than the simple views being portrayed by some on this thread.

The lad has admitted a drug problem, been punished and completely humiliated publicly and yet not found guilty of a crime. The last few posts displayed to me the worst of our society, as I keep saying putting the boots in.

Seeing you only directed this to me I take it the "STFU" publicly just then to me is permitted on ASF? I have taken downright rudeness in this thread and chosen on occasions to respond accordingly. If ASF actually find the comments of the last few posts acceptable toward Ben then it says a lot to me.

Please do as you see fit.

2020hindsight I don't support drugs in any way, I feel for those that fall prey to it when young. Dealers I have no time for at all. I have never used our forefathers in any other context other than the way people are treated (kicked) when they are down.

 

[wayneL]

Wayne
There is no sense of fair play on this thread, the opening poll displayed what this was about from the beginning. As to why? There is more to this than the simple views being portrayed by some on this thread.

The lad has admitted a drug problem, been punished and completely humiliated publicly and yet not found guilty of a crime. The last few posts displayed to me the worst of our society, as I keep saying putting the boots in.

Seeing you only directed this to me I take it the "STFU" publicly just then to me is permitted on ASF? I have taken downright rudeness in this thread and chosen on occasions to respond accordingly. If ASF actually find the comments of the last few posts acceptable toward Ben then it says a lot to me.

Please do as you see fit.

2020hindsight I don't support drugs in any way, I feel for those that fall prey to it when young. Dealers I have no time for at all. I have never used our forefathers in any other context other than the way people are treated (kicked) when they are down.

Well anagrams could mean anything, but point taken.

But I wanted to point out that you are attacking character in the same way as others, but doing so directly... a tad hypocritical don't you think?

 

[IFocus]

You're very defensive of Benny... more emotive about it than what would be a normal sense of fair play. Why?

I think Hangseng has high lighted the lack of due process both by the WA police force (no surprise there) media and by many on this thread.

Many of the posters here would not have looked out of place when trying witches at Salem in 1692.

Emotive, absolutely right some ones reputation is getting trashed by one off uniformed comments......


Focus

 

[hangseng]

I think Hangseng has high lighted the lack of due process both by the WA police force (no surprise there) media and by many on this thread.

Many of the posters here would not have looked out of place when trying witches at Salem in 1692.

Emotive absolutely right some ones life is getting trashed by one off uniformed comments......


Focus

IFocus, I commend you. You are perceptive to state the least. I wait next for the stake to be placed and bonfire to be lit.

Wayne point taken as well, but I think you know as well as I do what was meant by that crude acronym.

 

[Kauri]

Just curious... does anyone who has posted on this, in the main, slanderous thread, actually know anything about the circumstances of Bens recent or past troubles... of course other than what they have imagined or what they have read, heard, or seen in that most reliable of Australian institutions, the Press???
Chop chop
.............Kauri

 

[chops_a_must]

Chops can you clarrify that??
At a Guess I'd think 99% of people with Bi-Polar wouldn't get diagnosed untill they've had a manic episode?

You generally need to have had clear symptoms by the age of 23 in males. But this doesn't necessarily mean a full blown episode. It can be an extended period of hypomania.

 

[Prospector]

Kauri, one of the issues in getting 'to the truth' is that while a lot of what is written in the media is nothing short of absolute rubbish, if you take away even 90% of what has been written about, not just Cousins, but the WCE in the last five years, then factor in the 'secret men's business' that all footy codes seem to adhere to, then there is still A LOT of stuff happening here.
There is a very long history that relates to footy trips os where one player seems to have died and been resuscitated in the US, the drugs, the alcohol etc etc.

Have you never wondered why people such as Pat Rafter, Shane Gould, Laine Bleachley, Kieran Perkins, James Hird, Robert Harvey, Mark Taylor (trying to get a good spread of sports here) and the like, never ever have any bad press? Because they never, ever give the media any inkling that something is sus. Because there simply isn't anything for the media to grab on to.

I do agree with HangSeng that Cousins has been unmercilessly targetted by the media but geez, he makes it easy for them to do so!

Having said all that, I thought last night he looked closer than he ever has to fully realising exactly what situation he is in. I wonder if, at last, he has had to deal with consequences. Either that, or maybe he brushed up on his acting skills while in the US. Time will tell - if he is fully committed to beating his addiction then hopefully we wont see too much of him for the next few months. But the media will find it hard to let him go now.

 

[kgee]

Just curious... does anyone who has posted on this, in the main, slanderous thread, actually know anything about the circumstances of Bens recent or past troubles... of course other than what they have imagined or what they have read, heard, or seen in that most reliable of Australian institutions, the Press???
Chop chop
.............Kauri

Slander or Libel? either way I'm sure if the media (or us here on ASF) have overstepped any boundaries in defaming Ben's character (by law) he would have a whole lot of lawsuits going on....?
I don't see any
Now moralistically what's going on "might"(????) be wrong but in that case I'll take other posters arguements and say since I haven't broken any laws (and being caught) ... I must be innocent...so as an innocent one please go lightly on me