Iraq was about oil: Alan Greenspan

[numbercruncher]

AP - Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, in his new book, says the US went to war in Iraq motivated largely by oil.

Greenspan said: "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil."

Greenspan's book also criticises President George W Bush for not responsibly handling the nation's spending and racking up big budget deficits.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=66363


There you have it proof that Johnny big brows sent young Australians off to risk there lives in the name of "oil security" - After upto 1 million deaths and countless million more refugees there is still no oil security.

I remember reading a story that the Trillion dollars Dubbya has wasted pursuing this black Gold could of financed renewables for virtually the whole planet.

What a disgrace.

 

[Nyden]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=66363


There you have it proof that Johnny big brows sent young Australians off to risk there lives in the name of "oil security" - After upto 1 million deaths and countless million more refugees there is still no oil security.

I remember reading a story that the Trillion dollars Dubbya has wasted pursuing this black Gold could of financed renewables for virtually the whole planet.

What a disgrace.

Where? Where's the proof?

Furthermore, what's with the attacks on Howard's appearance? I think he's a good man, should his eye brows matter? Someone's obviously scraping the bottom of the barrel in their little Pro-Labour Campaign,

Hypothetically, even if the war was purely motivated by oil - what difference does that make? Intentions aside, I believe the eventual outcome of this war will be positive, oil or no oil.

For the entire planet? A trillion dollars? I sincerely doubt that.

 

[Prospector]

Where? Where's the proof?

Hypothetically, even if the war was purely motivated by oil - what difference does that make? Intentions aside, I believe the eventual outcome of this war will be positive, oil or no oil.

Um, it makes the world of difference. This war was supposed to be about Weapons of mass destruction and the War on Terror. Nothing else, although only fools believed that!

 

[numbercruncher]

Hello Nyden,


Actually my mistake it was for the US a Trillion would of made them green.


How can the eventual outcome be positive, the US is already about 1 trillion in the hole from it, there economy gets worse by the day. Upto a Million people dead, and countless millions more are refugees, Syrias population has swollen 30pc and forced them to close there border as an example.

The battle front should of always been Afghanistan, now Afghanistan is still over run by Taliban and others and Billions of dollars of Opium still grown.

If it cost 1 trillion to "Liberate" Iraq, how much will it cost to rebuild, several times more i imagine, but none the less Dubbya can still get to drive his SUV and put the war on Global warming on hold.

 

[Kathmandu]

Upto a Million people dead, and countless millions more are refugees, .

Where did you get that number from?

You're just making thing's up.

http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Dave

 

[Nyden]

Hello Nyden,


Actually my mistake it was for the US a Trillion would of made them green.


How can the eventual outcome be positive, the US is already about 1 trillion in the hole from it, there economy gets worse by the day. Upto a Million people dead, and countless millions more are refugees, Syrias population has swollen 30pc and forced them to close there border as an example.

The battle front should of always been Afghanistan, now Afghanistan is still over run by Taliban and others and Billions of dollars of Opium still grown.

If it cost 1 trillion to "Liberate" Iraq, how much will it cost to rebuild, several times more i imagine, but none the less Dubbya can still get to drive his SUV and put the war on Global warming on hold.

Ah, OK - Yes, I thought 1 trillion for the world was a bit paltry! :

Well, we can't look at the war from a purely economical standpoint, there is the moral side. Yes, I do agree that the war could have been handled better; but, we can say that about everything - that's the thing about hindsight.

Well, if the country is one day liberated, & stable - would you not agree, that would be a positive outcome?


Prospector;
2 Scenarios here - The first, the government actually believed that was so; based on inaccurate intelligence. You said so yourself - only fools would believe that, we are talking about politicians here, aren't we?

The second, they flat out lied. I find that a little too conspiracy theory for my tastes.

Many nations are still involved in this war (at least, I believe!), which means - many still believe it's a just cause.

 

[numbercruncher]

Where did you get that number from?

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Dave

Im saying upto 1 million and i beleive the people working these figures do it on all deaths related to the war rather than deaths by bomb and bullet ie/ no access to health care now etc.

Plenty to find if you google " 1 million dead iraq war "

THE number of deaths in Iraq since the start of the conflict could be as high as one million, it was claimed yesterday.

On the fourth anniversary of the invasion by Allied troops, an Australian scientist insisted the true death toll dwarfed previous estimates.

Dr Gideon Polya said: "Using the most comprehensive and authoritative literature and UN demographic data yields an estimate of one million post-invasion excess deaths in Iraq."

His figure is far higher than the biggest previous estimate of 655,000.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_headline=deaths-in-iraq-have-reached-1-million&method=full&objectid=18775387&siteid=66633-name_page.html


Dont worry i used to be brainwashed by the media that the Iraq war was justified, but after doing my own research the evidence is just completely over whelming.

 

[BIG BWACULL]

Where did you get that number from?

http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Dave

Thats the wests version Now heres the other version
and that was in 2006
http://english.aljazeera.net/English/Archive/Archive?ArchiveID=38013

 

[Kathmandu]

Dont worry i used to be brainwashed by the media that the Iraq war was justified, but after doing my own research the evidence is just completely over whelming.

Of course you could'nt be implying that I was brainwashed, as I NEVER thought the war on Iraq was justified.

Dave

 

[numbercruncher]

Many nations are still involved in this war (at least, I believe!), which means - many still believe it's a just cause.

I think most other countries Invovled now know that the whole thing was based on lies , corruption and fake intelligence even though they dont publicly admit it.

And the reason they stay is not so much the just cause but the Moral responsibility and obligation of helping Iraq rebuild there shattered country after totally anhilating it.

As evil as Saddam was they should of just assassinated him instead of systematically closing down the whole country, disbanding the entire Iraqi military was pathetic if the whole intention was to quickly hand back sovereignty to a new Government.

America has now been in Iraq longer than it was in WW2.

 

[numbercruncher]

Of course you could'nt be implying that I was brainwashed, as I NEVER thought the war on Iraq was justified.

Dave

No sorry Dave I certainly wasnt doing that, I was genuinely saying that I swallowed hook line and sinker all the Info regarding the Iraq war and it wasnt till I educated myself that I realised.

Im quite embarassed about beleiving it all, im usually sceptical on such things but im not alone in the boat I dont think.

 

[Kathmandu]

Thats the wests version Now heres the other version
and that was in 2006
http://english.aljazeera.net/English/Archive/Archive?ArchiveID=38013

Die for oil sucker

http://www.dangerouscitizen.com/Downloads/421.aspx

Even better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlKRdEujAR4

Dave

 

[Julia]

Furthermore, what's with the attacks on Howard's appearance? I think he's a good man, should his eye brows matter? Someone's obviously scraping the bottom of the barrel in their little Pro-Labour Campaign,

I second this comment. No need whatever to make comments about anyone's appearance. It has no relevance and you should be able to support your argument without such remarks.

 

[disarray]

i don't see why this is such a big surprise. anyone who didn't know the iraq war was largely about oil are deluding themselves as to the nature of government and the elite. this has been happening since the dawn of time, its not like avarice, hypocrisy and expediency are new to 21st century politics or anything.

the public motives for afghanistan were good - the taliban are oppressive psychos who harbour our enemies. however iraq 2 (juniors sequal), even though they did have WMD's, was blatantly about energy and supply / rebuilding contracts, dangled like carrots in front of contractors from the "coalition of the willing to make money".

p.s. the majority of iraqi deaths were perpetrated by muslim arabs as part of the secular conflict. blaming the west for these deaths is rubbish.

 

[numbercruncher]

I second this comment. No need whatever to make comments about anyone's appearance. It has no relevance and you should be able to support your argument without such remarks.

It refers to much more than the physical appearnce of these bushy brows and refers to the fact that his vision has been impared by these woppers and he fails to see the real world around him.


Johnny has lost touch with average Australians and Costello was never in touch with average Australians. May they be banished to the history books as a long gone era.

 

[numbercruncher]

p.s. the majority of iraqi deaths were perpetrated by muslim arabs as part of the secular conflict. blaming the west for these deaths is rubbish.

Very good point disarray probably should of been mentioned earlier on. But it could also be argued that this ethnic conflict could not of begun prior to the invasion.

It adds to the argument of the Wests moral obligation to stay and help restore security until the Iraqi's requests them to leave.

 

[Nyden]

Johnny has lost touch with average Australians and Costello was never in touch with average Australians.

At least cite the source for that quote, it was pretty much taken straight from Rudd's campaign


And I think it was a rather silly remark of Rudd to make, let's face it - average Australians aren't even in touch with "Average" Australians. No such thing really, everyone wants something different.

 

[BradK]

Iraq war was about Oil? No **** sherlock

 

[reece55]

At least cite the source for that quote, it was pretty much taken straight from Rudd's campaign


And I think it was a rather silly remark of Rudd to make, let's face it - average Australians aren't even in touch with "Average" Australians. No such thing really, everyone wants something different.

Wow guys, I knew that Howard amended his bio on wikipedia, but now he is infecting ASF........ HAHAHAHA LOL.

Whilst personally I'm not a Howard fan because clearly it is time he retired and took up power walking as a profession, I think we have a lack of any representation in parliament at present that ordinary people could identify with, let alone just Johnny. Personally, I think if you ask most people below the age of 30 how they feel about politics, they would admit they just ignore it. If you ask me we should get a few younger people involved - god am I sick of old values being portrayed as what we are about - no wonder we have a tax act that was written in 1936 that is still used as legislation!

Cheers

 

[Smurf1976]

I second this comment. No need whatever to make comments about anyone's appearance. It has no relevance and you should be able to support your argument without such remarks.

Absolutely agreed. I'm not a supporter of Howard (though I'm unconvinced that Labor would do any better) but his eyebrows, height, weight, hair colour / style etc is completely irrelevant in any discussion over his political views.

Howard's eyes are no more an issue relevant to the public than Kim Beazley being overweight or Bob Brown being gay.

As for the Iraq / oil issue, just wait until the stuff gets physically scarce or the US finds itself as the next country priced out of the market. We ain't seen nothin' yet...