Apple running on its walled garden. The product was already there. As far as innovation they haven't had much since.
Cook is a operations and efficiency expert, not an "innovator" or "disruptor".
No where is he near the same league as Elon.
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Cook is a operations and efficiency expert, not an "innovator" or "disruptor".
No where is he near the same league as Elon.
People write of Elon again and again. Just like bitcoin. I'll say the same thing for both time and time again " this is a blip:. When everyone is crying means it's close to buying.
I'm at a toss up over a few stocks and bag potential.
I'm at a toss up over a few stocks and bag potential.
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For sake of clarity on my tesla play,i had 7 shares .not 5 and got shaken by a non loosened trailing sl today, out with $8 usd gain...should gave been $80..ah well will pay coffee.
And was more lucky with fcx.
People playing with options must be happy
And was more lucky with fcx.
People playing with options must be happy
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Or if you are competitor, perhaps a major competitor from another country that produces huge volumes of EV;s and wants to make life "difficult" for your competitor.
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I think there is enough money in the US ready to spend billions to get rid of the current team and get back in the troughs
No need of China
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Looks like the Chinese have copied FSD and actually have driverless trucks.
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Lidar on it
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Tesla would have done just fine if Elon had left 2 years ago and a Tim Cook style manager took over, I mean what major innovations has Tesla done since it introduced the model Y ?
Also I think you are not giving Tim Cook enough credit, he has done amazing things at Apple.
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Oh dear, and here’s me thinking that lessons can be learned by comparing and discussing different companies and managers.
Do you really a thread about the Coca-Cola company should never mention Pepsi or Heinz?
The more I see your posts the more it confirms to me that you really don’t understand business.
Ummm the optimus robot is in production
Dojo chip and super computer
Neuralink
Gigacasting changed manufacturing by itself.
Am I missing something here?
I noticed you started shifting due to ideological reasons and it's been governing your decisions. Don't get me wrong I was flaming Elon way before it was cool. But even I recognised he was a unique disruptor.
Companies can continue on with a guy like Tim Cook. But you are very much at risk from competitors and the decline of a brand.
I didn't like Steve jobs, thought he was pretty trash. But the guy was a disruptor that took risks and pushed his team. He was an innovator in his field and had tremendous forward vision and the confidence to back it.
I'd take a jobs over a cook 9 times out of 10.
Ones as rare as rocking horsesht when it comes to ceos.
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That sounds like a load of bollox. Paying anyone $40 US an hour to protest would be prohibitive. As a 15 year old I was a Maoist and we never had to pay anyone for anti-apartheid demos. They were available. At 16 btw I fell in love with a girl and she with me, a rich man's daughter, and dropped the Little Red book to investigate bras and Levi zips.
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Firstly Neuralink has nothing to do with Tesla and Tesla didn't invent giga presses, and do you think apple doesn't have super computers?
Secondly, I think Apple has sold way more apple watches, AirPods and home pods that were brought in by Tim Cook than Tesla has sold Robots, not to mention that Apple has also done many things under Tim Cook you aren't probably even thinking about, for example designing their own silicon, their Apple Pay tech and cloud storage businesses each alone are worth billions, not to mention the music streaming and AirPods and head phone business which didn't exist under jobs and even things like car play.
Separating elons other companies is annoying when it comes to comparing ceo's
Apple watch was being developed under Steve jobs.
Apple infringed on multiple patents when it came to the airpods. There was a similar product out before them as well. Apple mainstreamed it. Streaming music has been around for a while.
D esigned their own silicon, so did everyone.
None of that is ground breaking.
It's the fact apple's brand has a lot of rusted ons and is a polished product. They are well placed with capital. But I haven't seen anything that's grabbed attention for close to a decade.
Elon is doing things I haven't seen before. Catching rockets, developing camera self drive, starlink wasn't the first but it revolutionised that industry. Likewise with the attempts of Neuralink. The list goes on.
Tim Cook is optimization and refinement personified. He's the guy I want I'm after a bunch of products are already developed.
But I don't want him in on the front end.
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Why? we are talking about Tesla, if we were to talk about apple we wouldn't mention Steve's work at Pixar.
Nope, development began 3 years after his death and it was released 6 years after his death.
I think more companies are copying AirPods than the reverse, either way its at least a $200 Billion business by itself, and didn't exist during Steves years.
Not until way after Steve Jobs died though, and it is a $200 Billion business too
During Steve's years they weren't, and most companies buy off the shelf.
Thats the point though isn't it, Thats what Tesla needs at the stage of the game. not a distracted CEO running off destroying share holder value while he throws Nazi signs trying to fit into a political cult.
Tesla would be in a better position today if Elon retired (or died of cancer like Jobs) and handed the reigns to a person like Cook before he went mental.
Because Elon has pushed advancements in a lot of areas.
The wearables were conceptualised under Jobs. The patent "wearable computing device for managing and storing data" was 2010.
Sure there was an "itime" patent floating around the same time.
Streaming music has been around since the mid 90s. God even napster was big in the day. Apple just improved what was already there and jammed it into their ecosystem.
Airpods look similar to the old Erin m1.
Beats by Dr dre who basically stole it all from that Japanese guy from monster were on the headphone scene way before. Apple ended up buying them out from memory before they released the airpods. I'm sure that was integrated.
Nothing out of Cooks is ground breaking. He inherited a user base and kept feeding the chickens. Apple has a healthy customer base.
Tesla is no where needing a Cooks like ceo at this stage. A guy like Cooks wouldn't have got the Tesla to manufacturing stage.
I mean they flopped on the apple car, their altered reality glasses, homepod flopped, airpower, apple maps released as one of the worst things I've ever seen. Even the vr didn't really pick up.
I don't want a similar ceo near it yet.
But in terms of working and managing what he has, then yeah Cooks can do that.
Now AI may change everything in all these top tech companies. But the real world stuff still needs to be sorted.
Your position only changed due to politics.
I'm actually surprised you went that way.
I remember arguing with you about Elon where my position was that he was a Dckhead. I still think he is a dckhead, but you changed your position to the point of contradiction.
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Downloading music files via Napster and music streaming subscriptions are completely different things, you are also forgetting that Tim Cook has been in high level roles at Apple since 1998, and was integral in rebuilding Apple.
I am not saying Elon hasn’t done fantastic things, I love all the achievements he did at Tesla and Space Ex, I don’t think you could point to any post I have made saying anything against Elon’s great work pre mental break down.
It’s just now he has gone mental, and hung Tesla out to dry. If he stayed in his lane, and just kept doing good work at Tesla, and never tried for the $50 Billion bonus or turned into a right wing loon my opinion of him would be different… he changed, not me.
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He called the guy that saved those kids a pedo. He's the same Elon as always.
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