Elon Musk to make Twitter a free speech platform

[Knobby22]

We I saw my dad bash my mums teeth out when I was about 8, bit he never bashed my sisters, I copped it a lot until I was about 20 and bashed the $hit out of him.
But as for boys beating girls I don't know, never grew up with any.

Yea, bad luck it wasn't filmed and shown to the world hey? Maybe today it wouldn't be happening (not).

 

[JohnDe]

Yea, bad luck it wasn't filmed and shown to the world hey? Maybe today it wouldn't be happening (not).

No, instead in your world it is ok to let the Albanese government and the eSafety Commision ban information that depicts a true terrorist event from one media source. How does that work?

NSW Police presented a fact sheet to a court showing that a group of teenagers they arrested, some of them not 10 years older than the children chanting the slogans of hate at Sydney University, had a plan to get weapons and kill Australian Jews.​

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One event didn’t cause the other. But Albanese government ministers avoided condemning the wicked exploitation of children. The Albanese government has been grossly, morally and politically negligent in failing to make a serious effort to combat the wave of hateful anti-Semitism sweeping across our universities and many other parts of our community.​

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The Albanese government can have its views about the Middle East, but it has an absolute duty to provide for the security and safety of Australian citizens. Its failure, root and branch, in season and out, to condemn the shocking anti-Semitism displayed every day is a grave mistake – morally, politically and in terms of national security.​

 

[Knobby22]

No, instead in your world it is ok to let the Albanese government and the eSafety Commision ban information that depicts a true terrorist event from one media source. How does that work?

NSW Police presented a fact sheet to a court showing that a group of teenagers they arrested, some of them not 10 years older than the children chanting the slogans of hate at Sydney University, had a plan to get weapons and kill Australian Jews.​

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One event didn’t cause the other. But Albanese government ministers avoided condemning the wicked exploitation of children. The Albanese government has been grossly, morally and politically negligent in failing to make a serious effort to combat the wave of hateful anti-Semitism sweeping across our universities and many other parts of our community.​

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The Albanese government can have its views about the Middle East, but it has an absolute duty to provide for the security and safety of Australian citizens. Its failure, root and branch, in season and out, to condemn the shocking anti-Semitism displayed every day is a grave mistake – morally, politically and in terms of national security.​

Again, completely irrelevant. ??
BTW I have voted conservative more times than Labor so bringing up Albo doesn't give me a rush to the head. My sister in law is a senior figure in the Liberal party.
And again I will point out Dutton also doesn't want bloodshed videos freely posted on X or the news etc.

 

[sptrawler]

Yea, bad luck it wasn't filmed and shown to the world hey? Maybe today it wouldn't be happening (not).

If you came from the U.K in the early 1960's it was common place and it has actually improved a huge amount over the last 30 years, it isn't acceptable anymore.
Back in the 60's and early 70's seeing mums shopping wearing sunglasses was common, the best thing Gough did was to introduce the single mothers pension so mothers could leave with the kids.
But not many these days understand that, before Gough if a mother left with the kids she had zero support, zip, nothing.

However as time passes we excusing perpatrators of crime more and more, so are we in fact renewing the cycle?
Life is full of cunundrums, unfortunately those who have no idea of the reality, decide what needs to be done to fix it.

Anyway enough on our life's experiences, the wise and wonderful in Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne will sort it, as they sort everything else out.

 

[JohnDe]

Again, completely irrelevant. ??
BTW I have voted conservative more times than Labor so bringing up Albo doesn't give me a rush to the head. My sister in law is a senior figure in the Liberal party.
And again I will point out Dutton also doesn't want bloodshed videos freely posted on X or the news etc.

Why do you feel the need to substantiate yourself?

As you keep saying to me "completely irrelevant". Though I'm not sure why also question it by adding two question marks.

I mentioned Anthony Albanese because he is our Prime Minister and leader of our country, all decisions rest on his shoulders.

 

[JohnDe]

If you came from the U.K in the early 1960's it was common place and it has actually improved a huge amount over the last 30 years, it isn't acceptable anymore.
Back in the 60's and early 70's seeing mums shopping wearing sunglasses was common, the best thing Gough did was to introduce the single mothers pension so mothers could leave with the kids.
But not many these days understand that, before Gough if a mother left with the kids she had zero support, zip, nothing.

However as time passes we excusing perpatrators of crime more and more, so are we in fact renewing the cycle?
Life is full of cunundrums, unfortunately those who have no idea of the reality, decide what needs to be done to fix it.

Anyway enough on our life's experiences, the wise and wonderful in Sydney, Canberra and Melbourne will sort it, as they sort everything else out.

I must be 10 years younger thant you, I know exactly what you are saying but it was the 1970's.

 

[Knobby22]

Why do you feel the need to substantiate yourself?

As you keep saying to me "completely irrelevant". Though I'm not sure why also question it by adding two question marks.

I mentioned Anthony Albanese because he is our Prime Minister and leader of our country, all decisions rest on his shoulders.

Why are you avoiding the argument?

 

[sptrawler]

I must be 10 years younger thant you, I know exactly what you are saying but it was the 1970's.

Yes I was trying to keep it relitive, if you say 40 or 50 years ago, people's eyes roll back and they go FFS.

 

[JohnDe]

Why are you avoiding the argument?

Which argument? The false claim that you made on Sunday and tried to hide behind "there's a pay wall?"

 

[JohnDe]

Yes I was trying to keep it relitive, if you say 40 or 50 years ago, people's eyes roll back and they go FFS.

And you are correct, it is a different world now, we have improved immensely. But all these privacy claims and legal jargon seems to be turning us around again. The facts are showing no decrease in the past 8 years. Why?

 

[sptrawler]

And you are correct, it is a different world now, we have improved immensely. But all these privacy claims and legal jargon seems to be turning us around again. The facts are showing no decrease in the past 8 years. Why?

Because there are a certain percentage of duds in life, what the loonies think is that all the duds need is a bit of nurturing and understanding, that is until they have a dud in their house who actually doesn't really give a $hit.
Then it gets real.

 

[sptrawler]

Because there are a certain percentage of duds in life, what the loonies think is that all the duds need is a bit of nurturing and understanding, that is until they have a dud in their house who actually doesn't really give a $hit.
Then it gets real.

The problem is, no one can actually vocalise what the problem is anymore, because they will be shouted down, demonised, ostricised or sued.

So therefore the silent 80% minority say nothing and just hope that bad $hit doesn't happen to them or their loved ones, meanwhile the duds become more brazen.

Hopefully society realises the gap between an authoritarian regime, which rules by the majority being silenced by fear, is a very fine line.

If the only difference, is whether the fear is physical punishment, or public humiliation.

 

[JohnDe]

The problem is, no one can actually vocalise what the problem is anymore, because they will be shouted down, demonised, ostricised or sued.

So therefore the silent 80% minority say nothing and just hope that bad $hit doesn't happen to them or their loved ones, meanwhile the duds become more brazen.

Hopefully society realises the gap between an authoritarian regime, which rules by the majority being silenced by fear, is a very fine line.

If the only difference, is whether the fear is physical punishment, or public humiliation.

Exactly. And when someone from the 80% gets tired of the silence and says something they get a torrent of slurs and abuse.

 

[sptrawler]

Exactly. And when someone from the 80% gets tired of the silence and says something they get a torrent of slurs and abuse.

Which is what I was alluding to in the last paragraph.

In Russia if you say something against the narrative you are in deep $hit.

Here if you say something against the narrative you are in deep $hit.

The only difference is we have a better political voting system, our media is very similar, it is polarised.
So therefore whichever Govt is in office is in synch with the Govt of the day.

The problem is IMO, people feel they have to defend "the political team" to the end, even if the policy is crap and also they have to pay out on the other team, if the policy is good. That to me isn't following your beliefs, it is a cult nature.
You have to question, you have cross reference, you have to evaluate.

How the hell you expect to get a better outcome with that belief, is beyond me.

But then again when I did a psych test, they did say I didn't think inside the box, but I did get the job. LOL

Anyway enough of this crap. Lol

 

[orr]

You seem a little flustered and confused.

Why do you think that it is ok for kindergarten kids to have access to adult content?

I presume that you understand how the internet works, and that a Twitter account requires membership and password, whereas access to the internet is as simple as opening the browser. Which gives access to all sorts of violent and pornographic content. Why do you think one is bad and the other good?

As for your examples, I wonder whether you bothered to find all the facts or just grabbed what you thought useful for your crusade.

Do you know what the executed Vietcong in that footage did before he was captured? FYI, he hunted down a General of his enemy and murdered the family, including children. Both were atrocities of war, and his execution was unlawful, but the media didn't bother printing the whole story because the message was stronger as an anti-Vietnam war story than it was about the full story.

No single person or organisation should have the right to choose what is banned or how it is reported.

Using children as the reason to ban the truth is a lie and a copout. Children should be supervised; adult content should be made difficult to access for children.

What are you going to say next, that all adult content and vises be banned because children may get access?

Julian Assange is not a journalist, and WikiLeaks is not a news organisation.

Julian Assange is no journalist: don't confuse his arrest with press freedom

As someone who has been imprisoned by a foreign government for publishing material that it didn't like, I have a certain sympathy with Assange. But my support stops there.

www.smh.com.au

There's a couple of things you seem....
You seem to know a little about one event in what was a Ten Thousand day War. Also that being that title of a book I read, but unfortunatly no longer have a copy of, on Vietnam conflict, I read that the late 80's. The facts you seem to think I've plucked from my arse come from a couple of works I do have in my possesion John Pilgers 'Heroes' and Chistopher Hithens 'The Trial of Henry Kissinger'.
Until 15-20 years ago when information became much easier to research I was under the misunderstanding that the news reel footage of the Siagon street execution was taken by a news crew lead by Neil Davis ....ever heard of him?
The above and time spent on the ground in Vietnam. Lot of knock off printings of Greame Greens 'the Quiet American' for sale on the street there.
Seymor Hearsh's work on the the Mai Li massicare is aslo well worth the effort.

Now.. as you seem to have an interest. And to lable the point.
Question... Have you ever seen the motion news reel footage of the execution?
Next ... Can you view it now somewhere ... dark or light web now?
Why is something that was open domian now so difficult to view ? any thoughts?

These matter because of what able to be seen and what is not... And context.

Without Assanage how would of the obilteration of the the Reuters Journo's on the streets of Bagdad by Apchie 30mm cannon ever come to meaningful contempry light ? .... A whole lot of Butt hurt by either stoogges, incompetents or cowards who call themselves 'journalists' unable to to present what's going on are really the people anyone should be paying attention to? Carry on with your Crusade.
Or are you telling us that 'we' should not have seen the 'Collatoral Murder' postings???

And .... 'do I know how the internet works?' ..... at your leasure check 10 year old's access to pr0n....Well, I can't be all that sure about a lot of things but of one I can be. When it come to being a patronising horses arse: I'm sure to leave you well in the shade. But for genorosity's sake, for time being I'll anoit you the 'crown prince' .

 

[IFocus]

Orr "One Crowded Hour" by Tim Bowden good read.

In NSW police attend around 500 DV events every day.

Victorian police are arresting 80 men a day over family violence.

Youth crime using knives is common.

And here we are advocating showing gratuitous violence in violation of Australia's broadcasting standards which have been developed over decades.

Research is endless on the effects of exposing particularly children and young men to this sort of content.

Anyone spot the problem here.

 

[JohnDe]

There's a couple of things you seem....
You seem to know a little about one event in what was a Ten Thousand day War. Also that being that title of a book I read, but unfortunatly no longer have a copy of, on Vietnam conflict, I read that the late 80's. The facts you seem to think I've plucked from my arse come from a couple of works I do have in my possesion John Pilgers 'Heroes' and Chistopher Hithens 'The Trial of Henry Kissinger'.
Until 15-20 years ago when information became much easier to research I was under the misunderstanding that the news reel footage of the Siagon street execution was taken by a news crew lead by Neil Davis ....ever heard of him?
The above and time spent on the ground in Vietnam. Lot of knock off printings of Greame Greens 'the Quiet American' for sale on the street there.
Seymor Hearsh's work on the the Mai Li massicare is aslo well worth the effort.

Now.. as you seem to have an interest. And to lable the point.
Question... Have you ever seen the motion news reel footage of the execution?
Next ... Can you view it now somewhere ... dark or light web now?
Why is something that was open domian now so difficult to view ? any thoughts?

These matter because of what able to be seen and what is not... And context.

Without Assanage how would of the obilteration of the the Reuters Journo's on the streets of Bagdad by Apchie 30mm cannon ever come to meaningful contempry light ? .... A whole lot of Butt hurt by either stoogges, incompetents or cowards who call themselves 'journalists' unable to to present what's going on are really the people anyone should be paying attention to? Carry on with your Crusade.
Or are you telling us that 'we' should not have seen the 'Collatoral Murder' postings???

And .... 'do I know how the internet works?' ..... at your leasure check 10 year old's access to pr0n....Well, I can't be all that sure about a lot of things but of one I can be. When it come to being a patronising horses arse: I'm sure to leave you well in the shade. But for genorosity's sake, for time being I'll anoit you the 'crown prince' .

That’s nice.

 

[JohnDe]

Research is endless on the effects of exposing particularly children and young men to this sort of content.

Anyone spot the problem here.

Yes, I see a problem. We have a eSafety Commission and a government wanting to ban a true event and stop a subscription media format from showing, while doing nothing about the free to air format showing fake violence through movies and shows, and reality shows that are demeaning and misleading. And don’t forget about the violence and pornography on the internet that any person of any age can access with a phone or computer.

No don’t worry about that, let’s ban the actual event and watch the made up violence instead.

My goodness, has society really come to this. People condoning the banning of facts in the name of decency, while allowing fictious violence and sex to roam free.

 

[JohnDe]

Is the eSafety Commission going to ban this latest news item involving factual senseless violence -

Boy, 14, killed in east London sword attack

Police close in on the attacker. Picture: Supplied.

A teenage boy died on Tuesday after a man wielding a sword stabbed the youth, two police and two other people, in a street attack in east London.

The man used what appeared to be a Samurai-type sword in the Hainault district shortly before 7:00am (0600 GMT).

Police said they arrested a 36-year-old man using Taser stun weapons and took him into custody. The incident is not believed to be terror-related, they said.

Video showed a bearded man dressed in a yellow hoodie allegedly armed with a large blade. One resident told The Times the man leapt over garden fences as people shouted “he’s got a massive knife”.

Chief Superintendent Stuart Bell, from London’s Metropolitan Police, said all five victims were taken to hospital.

The two police officers were awaiting surgery for “significant” injuries, he added. But they, and those sustained by the two members of the public, were not believed to be life-threatening.

“It’s with great sadness that one of those injured in this incident, a 14-year-old boy, has died from their injuries,” he told reporters at the scene.

“He was taken to hospital after being stabbed and sadly died a short while after.” Mr Bell called the incident “truly horrific” and said specialist officers were supporting the boy’s family.

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak called the stabbings “shocking”. “Such violence has no place on our streets,” he added in a post on X, formerly Twitter.

A sword-wielding attacker goes on the rampage in east London. Picture: X

“I’d like to thank the emergency services for their ongoing response, and pay tribute to the extraordinary bravery shown by police on the scene.” Video footage and photographs posted on social media appeared to show a man in a yellow jumper on the streets near houses with the weapon.

A street is cordoned off after the attack. Picture: Getty Images

Emergency service vehicles, including police, fire and ambulances, were seen behind cordons, including near the town’s underground railway station.

James Fernando, 39, told The Times he knew the boy because he and his family lived on the same road as him.

Mr Fernando said he saw a “man get out of a dark grey Transit van which was crushed at the front” before approaching one of his neighbours. “Within two seconds he pulled out a massive sword from the back of his trousers,” he said.

The witness claimed that the man then struck the teenage boy. Fernando said he rushed outside and found the boy lying on the ground. Fernando said the man “still had the sword in his hand and started running down the houses to escape officers, swinging the sword at the same time”, adding: “It is quite traumatising and it’s hitting me now.”

One resident, who asked not to be named, said she hid behind a window while the suspect was outside her home shouting “do you believe in God?” at police.

“We were very scared and trying to hide and not show ourselves through the window because he was standing right next to our house and he could have seen us if he looked up,” she added.

“We were very scared and we didn’t know what to do.” Another witness said he saw two police chasing the man, shouting at him to put down the weapon.

Police in England, Scotland and Wales are not routinely armed but do carry Taser weapons to disable suspects.

London Mayor Sadiq Khan said he was “absolutely devastated” by the incident and was in close contact with the city police commissioner.

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak criticised the Labour mayor’s record on knife crime in the British capital. Picture: Getty Images

“The police offices and emergency services showed the best of our city — running towards danger to protect others and I thank them from the bottom of my heart,” he said.

Last week, Mr Sunak criticised the mayor’s record on knife crime in the British capital.

According to official statistics, knife crime increased in London by 20 per cent in 2023, with 14,577 offences — one per cent lower than pre-pandemic levels in the year to March 2020.

In England and Wales as a whole, there was a seven-percent increase in knife crime to 49,489 offences, with most (29 per cent) in metropolitan areas, the Official for National Statistics said.

 

[moXJO]

Orr "One Crowded Hour" by Tim Bowden good read.

In NSW police attend around 500 DV events every day.

Victorian police are arresting 80 men a day over family violence.

Youth crime using knives is common.

And here we are advocating showing gratuitous violence in violation of Australia's broadcasting standards which have been developed over decades.

Research is endless on the effects of exposing particularly children and young men to this sort of content.

Anyone spot the problem here.

If you argue with your partner and the police turn up they will basically slap an avo on you in the police's name, man or woman. The courts are clogged with idiotic avos that should never have been put on in the first place. It's massively out of control. But the police will let the judge decide rather than risk being responsible if things went bad. The rise is due to changes in law netting everyone because it's a patch job.

Youth knife crime is mainly immigrants. You can't just jam hundreds of thousands of people here and expect it to be smooth sailing.
Let's break down violence to see how many aboriginal or immigrants or kids of immigrants and really see where problems need to be solved. It's more likely due to a disconnect from being a part of society.

Realistically this argument is akin to the "violent movies are making people kill" or the "Reefer madness". Internet has always been the same. Nerds ain't going on rampages from content.

I have two around 10, both tech savvy. Neither have had a problem. I also have a 16yo. If you as a parent haven't instilled some sense of morals then it doesn't matter what they watch, they will simply lose their way from having no moral compass. There are parental blocks you can use if you are that way inclined.

Violent crime is down. It was a lot worse in my day as was DV and there was no internet and everything was censored or govt propaganda. So now you lot are clutching pearls over what, not being censored enough?
I'd argue the violence statistics don't back up any rise in uncensored internet.


I'd argue that all social media is harmful to mental health but not because of content. It's the way the algorithm grabs attention. I'd also say it doesn't cause violence it causes anxiety.