Australian Federal Election - 2022

[SirRumpole]

1. Thats what ends up happening, working class neighbourhoods have all the rentals steadily disappear as they are sold to upper middle class, and the rental units are never replaced with new rental developments because no one wants to invest in them.

2. The objective should be affordable housing whether you are a renter or home owner, as I explained earlier there needs to be a large healthy supply of rentals, rental caps restricts that supply.

3. which land lords are you talking about? are you talking about the rent controlled areas of the USA? if a Land lord wants to get out of land lording they have to sell their property to another land lord, because they can't force tenants to move out. So they either wait for tenants to leave and the convert the unit into an owner occupier, or sell to a slum lord who is happy to collect the base rent and let the property crumble until the tenants leave or the building condemned.

Some land lords just end up setting the building on fire to claim insurance, and then sell the land to a developer.

I agree that there needs to be a supply of rentals, for people who can't afford their own homes or those who move around a lot and don't want to buy.

What the actual numbers are I don't really know.

Low income housing is best left to government in my opinion, even though they have pulled out of that market it's really their responsibility, because commercial landlords don't want to deal with low income people.

As for those who move around but are still earning a good living I would say the numbers are increasing in these days of higher workforce mobility so there is a demand.

But in my view the majority of home seekers are prospective owner occupiers who can't get a look in because currently the system is geared (pun intended) towards investors who are driving up prices because they are more cashed up than the average buyers.

 

[Value Collector]

1. Low income housing is best left to government in my opinion, even though they have pulled out of that market it's really their responsibility, because commercial landlords don't want to deal with low income people.

2. But in my view the majority of home seekers are prospective owner occupiers who can't get a look in because currently the system is geared (pun intended) towards investors who are driving up prices because they are more cashed up than the average buyers.

1. Business people will deal with anyone as long as their is a profit margin in it, So obviously they won't be able to supply product at less than the cost of production. If there is a need to supply housing to certain groups at rate that is lower than the cost of production, then yes I agree that sub sector is best served by the government, but in all other classes having the private industry compete in the market is a good thing.

2, the fundamental flaw with what you are saying there is that investors that are providing rentals are some how depriving potential home owners. if this were true then it would show up in the market as an over supply of rentals, which there currently isn't there is a massive under supply of rentals, in fact their is an under supply of housing in general for both renters and people that want to buy. The only answer is to increase the supply of new houses being built, for both owner occupiers and land lords to buy.

Of course if we kicked all the renters out into the street, we would free up some space for owner occupiers to buy, but that would be at the expense of the renter group that already don't have enough supply.

It's not a case of us already having the perfect amount of property but for some reason landlords own them all, other wise as I said their wouldn't be a rental crisis, all the renters would satisfied and you would just have people complaining that there are no houses to buy, but at the moment both renters and potential owners are struggling.

 

[UMike]

Dunkley...... Well it is still part of the 2022 election.

Worked at the polls for the Libs. Not much just a bit.
Very Labour part. with Extreme Socialist and Unionists distractions.
Hope we get the swing we deserve to send the message to the ALP that they should lift their game and govern for middle Australia and not the Cringe minorities.

 

[Knobby22]

Dunkley...... Well it is still part of the 2022 election.

Worked at the polls for the Libs. Not much just a bit.
Very Labour part. with Extreme Socialist and Unionists distractions.
Hope we get the swing we deserve to send the message to the ALP that they should lift their game and govern for middle Australia and not the Cringe minorities.

Thought this was a very good summary of what happened.

Morrison might not have held a hose, but Dutton doesn’t hold a policy

If the Dunkley byelection was a protest against Labor, the protesters failed to show up.

www.theage.com.au

 

[mullokintyre]

There will be a few please explain letters from the AEC going out, as barely 75% of eligible voters bothered to vote.
On a primary vote basis, its a slightly different story.
One Nation, UAP and federation party did not stand, so theres a tad below 9% that must have been allocated somewhere.
Most of them seemed to go the Liberals, as they had a 5.5% swing on primary, and even the Labor party, for all the talk of swings against them, gained 1% on primaries.
The big loser were the greens, down 4% on primary vote. which accounts for the 3.6% swing against Laboor on final preference count.
I don't think its a terribly good result for the Liberals, you can bet that the UAP , One Nation and other independants like teals will contest the next federal election and some of that primary will disappear.
Mick (pretending he he is Antony Green).

 

[SirRumpole]

There will be a few please explain letters from the AEC going out, as barely 75% of eligible voters bothered to vote.
On a primary vote basis, its a slightly different story.
One Nation, UAP and federation party did not stand, so theres a tad below 9% that must have been allocated somewhere.
Most of them seemed to go the Liberals, as they had a 5.5% swing on primary, and even the Labor party, for all the talk of swings against them, gained 1% on primaries.
The big loser were the greens, down 4% on primary vote. which accounts for the 3.6% swing against Laboor on final preference count.
I don't think its a terribly good result for the Liberals, you can bet that the UAP , One Nation and other independants like teals will contest the next federal election and some of that primary will disappear.
Mick (pretending he he is Antony Green).

I'm no Anthony Green but it's a poke in the eye for Dutton only achieving an "average" swing.

There may have been a sympathy vote for Peta Murphy which kept the swing down a bit but it's fairly clear that Albo is travelling reasonably well at this point in time.

 

[Knobby22]

 

[IFocus]

I'm no Anthony Green but it's a poke in the eye for Dutton only achieving an "average" swing.

There may have been a sympathy vote for Peta Murphy which kept the swing down a bit but it's fairly clear that Albo is travelling reasonably well at this point in time.

Labor held seat with a fair sized margin and seems Liberals still on the nose in Victoria surprisingly.

Watched all three episodes of Nemesis though Morrison came out better than I expected not great or good just better than evil.

 

[PZ99]

Nemesis reminded me of how the Liberals were struggling to raise funds hence Turnbull donating $1.75 million (most of which went to save Abbott's seat in 2016).

After a few byelections since, (one being lost by the Libs to the Govt ) one wonders if they are still capable of raising suffient funds to be competitive at future elections ?

I somehow don't think they can rely solely on Dutton's popularity to win the next election... even if Albo stuffs up again like last time

 

[mullokintyre]

Nemesis reminded me of how the Liberals were struggling to raise funds hence Turnbull donating $1.75 million (most of which went to save Abbott's seat in 2016).

After a few byelections since, (one being lost by the Libs to the Govt ) one wonders if they are still capable of raising suffient funds to be competitive at future elections ?

I somehow don't think they can rely solely on Dutton's popularity to win the next election... even if Albo stuffs up again like last time

I doubt too many Liberal supporters (whats left of them) will give a rats ar$e about an ABC hit job on the Liberals.
Just lke the unions did not give a rats about The Killing Season.
Mick

 

[Knobby22]

Nemesis reminded me of how the Liberals were struggling to raise funds hence Turnbull donating $1.75 million (most of which went to save Abbott's seat in 2016).

After a few byelections since, (one being lost by the Libs to the Govt ) one wonders if they are still capable of raising suffient funds to be competitive at future elections ?

I somehow don't think they can rely solely on Dutton's popularity to win the next election... even if Albo stuffs up again like last time

They will have plenty of funders.
A fortune was spent at the bye election, especially by Advance.

Advance lobby group the ‘biggest loser’ from Dunkley byelection

Pollsters say that while the Dunkley byelection was not a write-off for the Liberal Party, it was a brutal result for the credibility of lobby group Advance.

www.afr.com

 

[sptrawler]

All very tribal.

 

[IFocus]

I doubt too many Liberal supporters (whats left of them) will give a rats ar$e about an ABC hit job on the Liberals.
Just lke the unions did not give a rats about The Killing Season.
Mick

Can understand how uncomfortable it would be to watch if you were a Liberal supporter the 10 years of turmoil and really a lack of government for the people / Australia but as for a hit piece it was pretty much all Liberal and National party MP's doing the hitting and slagging Labor state premier McGovern was actually one of the few that was positive.

Didn't really see much that wasn't already public but was interesting the venom some expressed reminds me of Joh telling someone "don't worry about the mob on the other side fear those on your own side far more".

Also interesting Abbott being the only PM that hasn't shown up to back his own government.

 

[moXJO]

Also interesting Abbott being the only PM that hasn't shown up to back his own government.

He wasn't in the show?
Probably didn't want to contribute to the shtfight. As much as he got ragged on, he is a decent bloke out of politics with some values.
Not much chop as pm the same way albo isn't much chop as pm.