Donald Trump - Loud mouthed American Idiot

[moXJO]

Absolutely MoXjo . We all know how exactly how innocent Trump is. Just ask him. He'll tell you . All a witch hunt. Never dun nothin wrong. And he wuz robbed.!!

Actually let's talk about the government locking everyone down and beating its citizens, Jamming them with a vaccine that didn't end up working. While making people miss loved ones funerals, destroying mental health, destroying businesses etc.

How about the absolute bullsht that was forced on us while many licked it up. Tell me who is worse again?

 

[SirRumpole]

Actually let's talk about the government locking everyone down and beating its citizens, Jamming them with a vaccine that didn't end up working. While making people miss loved ones funerals, destroying mental health, destroying businesses etc.

How about the absolute bullsht that was forced on us while many licked it up. Tell me who is worse again?

Are you a doctor ?

 

[moXJO]

Are you a doctor ?

It's already proven they were wrong. Even WHO said it was wrong.

Multiple studies came out and said it was wrong. And the doctors were flat out wrong on a lot of it.

 

[SirRumpole]

It's already proven they were wrong. Even WHO said it was wrong.

Multiple studies came out and said it was wrong. And the doctors were flat out wrong on a lot of it.

Lockdowns were instigated on a national basis, all States did it so why single out Andrews and not Perrotet or Morrison?

 

[moXJO]

Lockdowns were instigated on a national basis, all States did it so why single out Andrews and not Perrotet or Morrison?

It was absolutely all of them. Andrews was the most draconian, but they all took bad advice. A big problem is that the bootlickers were screaming for harsh measures. In the end they got their way. Everyone of them should be trolled mercilessly now.

The things many were saying about vaccine, safety measures, lockdowns, were proven right. I'm not talking the extreme end talking points, where "lockdowns and vaccines were not needed".
I'm talking about safety issues around giving it to kids.
The lie that the vaccines stopped transmission when they knew it didn't,

Masks and the actual truth around efficiency.

Lockdowns and the beating of people over what amounted to lies.

Stopping people from being with dying loved ones and funerals ( I missed 2).

It was ridiculous.

And now it's basically ignored just how ridiculous it got.
Accountability for the flogs pushing the fear.

Yet here everyone is talking about how "Trump is a threat to democracy and a lying criminal". What a load of crock. We just lived through the most misinformation and draconian measures ever and it wasn't under Trump

 

[basilio]

Hey did you see that flock of birds and flying pigs ? Kites I think.

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Amazing (but not surprising) what sort of rubbish distractions people can employ when trying to defend a President who has single handledly undermined confidence in the US electoral system because he didn't get the results he wanted.

Now there is clear and present threat to democracy.

 

[basilio]

This is the outcome of Donald Trumps election lies and call to arms on January 6th 2021.

Oath Keepers called for ‘violent overthrow’ of US government, trial hears​

Jurors hear closing arguments in seditious conspiracy trial of founder Stewart Rhodes and four associates of far-right group

The Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes and four others are charged with seditious conspiracy in the 6 January 2021 Capitol attack. Photograph: Dana Verkouteren/AP

Associated Press
Sat 19 Nov 2022 09.25 AEDTLast modified on Sat 19 Nov 2022 09.35 AEDT


For weeks leading up to 6 January 2021, the Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes and four associates of the far-right group discussed using violence to overturn the 2020 presidential election’s outcome, and when rioters started storming the US Capitol they saw an opportunity to do it, a federal prosecutor told jurors on Friday as the seditious conspiracy case wound toward a close.

Prosecutor Kathryn Rakoczy said in her closing argument to jurors after nearly two months of testimony in the high-stakes case that Rhodes’s own words show he was preparing to lead a rebellion to keep Democrat Joe Biden out of the White House. Rhodes and his co-defendants repeatedly called for “violent overthrow” of the US government and sprang into action that day, she said.


Seditious conspiracy is rarely proven. The Oath Keepers trial is a litmus test
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“Our democracy is fragile,” Rakoczy said. “It cannot exist without the rule of law, and it will not survive if people dissatisfied with the results of an election can use force and violence to change the outcome.”

The closing arguments began in Washington federal court after the final pieces of evidence were presented in the trial alleging Rhodes and his band of anti-government extremists plotted for weeks to interrupt the peaceful transfer of power from Republican Donald Trump to Biden.

Oath Keepers called for ‘violent overthrow’ of US government, trial hears

Jurors hear closing arguments in seditious conspiracy trial of founder Stewart Rhodes and four associates of far-right group

www.theguardian.com

 

[basilio]

Of course the Oath Keepers and their friends who stormed Congress don't have to worry about spending years in jail.

Donald Trump has promised everyone charged with offences on January 6th 2020 a full pardon when he he is re elected to Make America Great Again.

Just excellent.

Trump says he would pardon Jan. 6 rioters if he runs and wins

U.S. former President Donald Trump said on Saturday if he were to run for president and win in 2024, he would pardon people charged with criminal offenses in connection with the deadly Jan. 6 assault by his supporters on the U.S. Capitol.

www.reuters.com

 

[IFocus]

You do know how dumb that sounds.

If he was guilty he would be charged and convicted in a heartbeat. The reason he hasn't is because democrats fed multiple lines of sht to everyone. I have no doubt they want him to run. But that's nothing to do with the fact they can't charge him.

The same lines of sht we now see musk labelled with. It's a smear machine people seem to constantly fall for.

Maybe but no need to raise the bar with this eh...

"If he was guilty he would be charged and convicted in a heartbeat. "

 

[moXJO]

Hey did you see that flock of birds and flying pigs ? Kites I think.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

Amazing (but not surprising) what sort of rubbish distractions people can employ when trying to defend a President who has single handledly undermined confidence in the US electoral system because he didn't get the results he wanted.

Now there is clear and present threat to democracy.

Let's talk about ballot harvesting, the rise of political advocacy groups and the paid shills across social media. Not to mention the riots whipped up by dems. In fact a city centre was overtaken (Chaz)

It wasn't Trump alone that created the atmosphere. In fact you were probably prime example number one in pushing conspiracy theories by the dozens that amounted to nothing.

Still not arrested despite being scrutinised more than any human in history.

 

[moXJO]

Maybe but no need to raise the bar with this eh...

"If he was guilty he would be charged and convicted in a heartbeat. "

It's the truth. Point to the clear evidence to convict on any of the brainless theories that have been thrown about on here.

It really is that simple. The multitude of haters would have fried him by now.

 

[IFocus]

It's the truth. Point to the clear evidence to convict on any of the brainless theories that have been thrown about on here.

It really is that simple. The multitude of haters would have fried him by now.

Truth, you cannot handle the truth...

Trump has basically handed prosecutors all the evidence they need.

If he doesn't quote the 5th he would see life.

Your problem lays in that if it was the leftestards (you know commies under the bed) they would all be locked up by now.

 

[IFocus]

Let's talk about ballot harvesting, the rise of political advocacy groups and the paid shills across social media. Not to mention the riots whipped up by dems. In fact a city centre was overtaken (Chaz)

It wasn't Trump alone that created the atmosphere. In fact you were probably prime example number one in pushing conspiracy theories by the dozens that amounted to nothing.

Still not arrested despite being scrutinised more than any human in history.

Fact Check-No evidence of widespread ballot 'harvesting' ahead of the U.S midterm election​

There is no evidence to support claims made by social media users that there is a nationwide effort to “harvest ballots” that will result in massive voter fraud in the 2022 U.S. midterm elections this November.

Fact Check-No evidence of widespread ballot 'harvesting' ahead of the U.S midterm election

There is no evidence to support claims made by social media users that there is a nationwide effort to “harvest ballots” that will result in massive voter fraud in the 2022 U.S. midterm elections this November.

www.reuters.com

 

[moXJO]

Fact Check-No evidence of widespread ballot 'harvesting' ahead of the U.S midterm election​

There is no evidence to support claims made by social media users that there is a nationwide effort to “harvest ballots” that will result in massive voter fraud in the 2022 U.S. midterm elections this November.

Fact Check-No evidence of widespread ballot 'harvesting' ahead of the U.S midterm election

There is no evidence to support claims made by social media users that there is a nationwide effort to “harvest ballots” that will result in massive voter fraud in the 2022 U.S. midterm elections this November.

www.reuters.com

Sorry but that claim is untrue. It was targeted specific swing states that democratic advocacy groups targeted.

 

[moXJO]

Truth, you cannot handle the truth...

Trump has basically handed prosecutors all the evidence they need.

If he doesn't quote the 5th he would see life.

Your problem lays in that if it was the leftestards (you know commies under the bed) they would all be locked up by now.

They would have evidence of communications it's all stored.
How many made up stories have I had to shoot down over the years. Are you guys like goldfish or what?

 

[Craton]

From Pew Research Centre.

Behind Biden’s 2020 Victory​

An examination of the 2020 electorate, based on validated voters.​

From Reuters

Fact Check-Re-examining how and why voter fraud is exceedingly rare in the U.S. ahead of the 2022 midterms​

Unfounded and debunked claims that the results of the U.S. 2020 general election, when Democrat Joe Biden defeated former U.S. president Donald Trump, saw significant voter fraud continue to circulate online as the country gears up for midterm elections scheduled for November.

This article aims to provide information and context on how voter fraud in the U.S. is not a “widespread” issue, as some online commentators claim, but made exceedingly rare by existing safeguards.

A Reuters report ahead of the 2020 election containing evidence that voter fraud is rare can be found ( here ).

Speaking to Reuters, Wendy Weiser ( here ), vice president of the Democracy Program at New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice (here) said that “the incidence of fraud and misconduct is infinitesimally rare.”

Weiser highlighted that there are “strong safeguards at every stage” of the voting process to guarantee its integrity.

Likewise, Thomas Hicks, commissioner of the independent and bipartisan U.S. Election Assistance Commission (EAC) ( here ) ( www.eac.gov/about-the-useac ) said that the “actual incidence of voter fraud is relatively small and for the most part is unintentional.”

For example, after the 2020 election, a months’-long analysis by the AP found fewer than 475 cases of potential voter fraud in the six battleground states challenged by Trump (here). For context, there were over 3.3 million votes casted for the presidential run in Arizona alone, the state AP found had the highest number of potential fraud cases (198) ( here ). The AP also found no signs of a coordinated effort and reported that “virtually every case was based on an individual acting alone to cast additional ballots.”

Studies compiled by the Brennan Center ( here ) ( here ), which reviewed cases of voter fraud (prior to the 2020 general election), also found voter fraud is rare.

As another example, an analysis by Justin Levitt, a professor at Loyola Law School and currently a White House Senior Policy Advisor for Democracy and Voting Rights ( here ) found 31 credible cases of voter impersonation between 2000 and 2014, out of a billion ballots ( here ).

OBSTACLES TO SENDING FRAUDULENT BALLOTS​

In 2020, as several states adopted measures to automatically send ballot applications or blank ballots to eligible voters due to the COVID-19 pandemic ( here ), Reuters debunked social media posts that shared anecdotes of people receiving ballot applications for past tenants at their address and claimed people could hypothetically fraudulently complete a ballot application, receive a ballot and mail it in fraudulently by forging identities ( here ).

Jennifer Morrell, an election consultant and former election official for Utah and Colorado, told Reuters in August 2020 ( here ) that not only is it a criminal offense to impersonate a voter - in a ballot application and a ballot itself - but to go through with it, fraudsters would need to know a voter’s personal information, such as date of birth, and to be able to forge their signature to match the voter registry.

“Just because there is a ballot that is sent doesn’t mean that ballot is counted,” Hicks stressed, referring to the detailed accounting that election officials apply when checking the legitimacy of a ballot.

Hicks directed Reuters to a video that lays out in detail the different safeguards in place, which vary within states and jurisdictions, for in-person and mail-in voters ( here ), including a voter registry of eligible voters and signature verification.


The National Conference of State Legislatures provides information on home voting, including a section on security features in place. Measures in place to counter voter fraud – that vary within states – include hand-marked paper ballots, signature verification, examining and processing ballots ahead of election day to allow for more verification time, up-to-date address information, security cameras during storage, among others (see Security Features of Voting by Absentee/Mailed Ballots section) ( here ).

A 2020 Reuters article illustrating the process of voting-by-mail and voter verification is viewable ( here ).

WHAT ABOUT THE ALLEGED “EVIDENCE” OF FRAUD SHARED ONLINE?

Ahead of the 2020 presidential election and afterwards, Reuters addressed multiple claims by social media users claiming to show evidence of voter fraud. These cases, however, had logical explanations, such as miscaptioned imagery and footage taken out of context.

VOTER REGISTRATION​

Outdated voter registration ( here ) figures were misleadingly used as evidence of “fraud”. Pointing out a “discrepancy” between voter registration numbers and the projection of votes for multiple states, users falsely alleged there were more votes counted than people registered to vote. ( here ) ( here).

Some states also allow same-day registration and Election Day registration which means some of these figures might increase from the latest record available from the state. The NCSL lists the guidelines for each state on their website ( here ).

DROPBOXES​

Reuters also reviewed multiple claims of videos allegedly showing misconduct with drop boxes.

A popular iteration, for example, claimed to show the “fraudulent” recollection of mail-in-ballots in L.A. County, that were allegedly invalid because “they were sent after Election Day”. This was untrue, as Reuters previously explained ( here ). Yes, these ballots were picked on Nov. 4, but they were valid since they were deposited by voters on or before Nov. 3, in accordance with California guidance ( here ).

Another claim debunked by Reuters ( here ) involved a person in Pennsylvania that was falsely singled out online as having “fraudulently” deposited multiple ballots in a drop box. The state county clerk’s office, however, said that this person was a “designated agent”, he was legally casting the ballots of people with disabilities who had designated him to do so ( here ). Similar provisions are in place in other states for people who can’t cast their vote themselves ( here )

More recently, claims of “stuffed” drop boxes were raised by a film made by conservative commentator Dinesh D’Souza. As addressed by Reuters in a fact-check article ( here ), the documentary does not provide any concrete, verifiable evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election. Technology and election integrity experts consulted by Reuters also did not find the geolocation, surveillance or any other information presented showed plausible evidence of fraud.

DESTROYING BALLOTS?​

Other videos Reuters addressed claim to show ballots cast for a certain candidate that had been destroyed or discarded.

One example from Oklahoma showed ballots that were discarded because they were spoiled (where the voter mistakenly marked more than one option in a race), and not authentic ballots being thrown away ( here ). Another clip that made a similar claim from Virginia Beach featured sample ballots, not official ballots ( here ).


Other similar examples addressed by Reuters are viewable ( here ), ( here ), ( here )

ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES​

Reuters also debunked multiple allegations of voter fraud, blaming electronic voting machines and their providers. Examples can be read ( here ), ( here ), ( here ), ( here ), ( here ).

CLAIMS OF FRAUD AFTER 2020 ELECTION PROVEN TO BE FALSE​

False claims pedaled by former U.S. President Donald Trump and his followers blaming widespread voting fraud the 2020 election results have been rejected by courts, state governments and members of his own former administration ( here ).

U.S. election security officials have said the election was “the most secure in American history” ( here ), ( here ). Former U.S. Attorney General William Barr, the nation's top law enforcement official under Trump, said on Dec. 1, 2020, that he had not seen any evidence of fraud that would have changed the election results ( here ).


Furthermore, more than 50 lawsuits brought by Trump or his allies alleging election fraud or other irregularities were dismissed by state and federal judges ( here ).

In Arizona, where State Senate President Karen Fann, the Republican who paved the way for the so-called "full forensic audit" of 2.1 million ballots in Maricopa County, said the review's overall vote tally matched the initial results in November. "Truth is truth, numbers are numbers," Fann said at a Senate hearing on the review, which found only small variations, yielding 99 additional votes for Biden and 261 fewer votes for Trump. "Those numbers were close, within a few hundred." ( here ) ( here )

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work ( here ).

 

[wayneL]

Fact checking is nothing of the sort anymore

 

[Craton]

Fact checking is nothing of the sort anymore

Lol, I've got a throw away line too. The earth is flat.

 

[moXJO]

From Pew Research Centre.

Behind Biden’s 2020 Victory​

An examination of the 2020 electorate, based on validated voters.​

From Reuters

Fact Check-Re-examining how and why voter fraud is exceedingly rare in the U.S. ahead of the 2022 midterms​

Unfounded and debunked claims that the results of the U.S. 2020 general election, when Democrat Joe Biden defeated former U.S. president Donald Trump, saw significant voter fraud continue to circulate online as the country gears up for midterm elections scheduled for November.

This article aims to provide information and context on how voter fraud in the U.S. is not a “widespread” issue, as some online commentators claim, but made exceedingly rare by existing safeguards.

A Reuters report ahead of the 2020 election containing evidence that voter fraud is rare can be found ( here ).

Speaking to Reuters, Wendy Weiser ( here ), vice president of the Democracy Program at New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice (here) said that “the incidence of fraud and misconduct is infinitesimally rare.”

Weiser highlighted that there are “strong safeguards at every stage” of the voting process to guarantee its integrity.

Likewise, Thomas Hicks, commissioner of the independent and bipartisan U.S. Election Assistance Commission (EAC) ( here ) ( www.eac.gov/about-the-useac ) said that the “actual incidence of voter fraud is relatively small and for the most part is unintentional.”

For example, after the 2020 election, a months’-long analysis by the AP found fewer than 475 cases of potential voter fraud in the six battleground states challenged by Trump (here). For context, there were over 3.3 million votes casted for the presidential run in Arizona alone, the state AP found had the highest number of potential fraud cases (198) ( here ). The AP also found no signs of a coordinated effort and reported that “virtually every case was based on an individual acting alone to cast additional ballots.”

Studies compiled by the Brennan Center ( here ) ( here ), which reviewed cases of voter fraud (prior to the 2020 general election), also found voter fraud is rare.

As another example, an analysis by Justin Levitt, a professor at Loyola Law School and currently a White House Senior Policy Advisor for Democracy and Voting Rights ( here ) found 31 credible cases of voter impersonation between 2000 and 2014, out of a billion ballots ( here ).

OBSTACLES TO SENDING FRAUDULENT BALLOTS​

In 2020, as several states adopted measures to automatically send ballot applications or blank ballots to eligible voters due to the COVID-19 pandemic ( here ), Reuters debunked social media posts that shared anecdotes of people receiving ballot applications for past tenants at their address and claimed people could hypothetically fraudulently complete a ballot application, receive a ballot and mail it in fraudulently by forging identities ( here ).

Jennifer Morrell, an election consultant and former election official for Utah and Colorado, told Reuters in August 2020 ( here ) that not only is it a criminal offense to impersonate a voter - in a ballot application and a ballot itself - but to go through with it, fraudsters would need to know a voter’s personal information, such as date of birth, and to be able to forge their signature to match the voter registry.

“Just because there is a ballot that is sent doesn’t mean that ballot is counted,” Hicks stressed, referring to the detailed accounting that election officials apply when checking the legitimacy of a ballot.

Hicks directed Reuters to a video that lays out in detail the different safeguards in place, which vary within states and jurisdictions, for in-person and mail-in voters ( here ), including a voter registry of eligible voters and signature verification.


The National Conference of State Legislatures provides information on home voting, including a section on security features in place. Measures in place to counter voter fraud – that vary within states – include hand-marked paper ballots, signature verification, examining and processing ballots ahead of election day to allow for more verification time, up-to-date address information, security cameras during storage, among others (see Security Features of Voting by Absentee/Mailed Ballots section) ( here ).

A 2020 Reuters article illustrating the process of voting-by-mail and voter verification is viewable ( here ).

WHAT ABOUT THE ALLEGED “EVIDENCE” OF FRAUD SHARED ONLINE?

Ahead of the 2020 presidential election and afterwards, Reuters addressed multiple claims by social media users claiming to show evidence of voter fraud. These cases, however, had logical explanations, such as miscaptioned imagery and footage taken out of context.

VOTER REGISTRATION​

Outdated voter registration ( here ) figures were misleadingly used as evidence of “fraud”. Pointing out a “discrepancy” between voter registration numbers and the projection of votes for multiple states, users falsely alleged there were more votes counted than people registered to vote. ( here ) ( here).

Some states also allow same-day registration and Election Day registration which means some of these figures might increase from the latest record available from the state. The NCSL lists the guidelines for each state on their website ( here ).

DROPBOXES​

Reuters also reviewed multiple claims of videos allegedly showing misconduct with drop boxes.

A popular iteration, for example, claimed to show the “fraudulent” recollection of mail-in-ballots in L.A. County, that were allegedly invalid because “they were sent after Election Day”. This was untrue, as Reuters previously explained ( here ). Yes, these ballots were picked on Nov. 4, but they were valid since they were deposited by voters on or before Nov. 3, in accordance with California guidance ( here ).

Another claim debunked by Reuters ( here ) involved a person in Pennsylvania that was falsely singled out online as having “fraudulently” deposited multiple ballots in a drop box. The state county clerk’s office, however, said that this person was a “designated agent”, he was legally casting the ballots of people with disabilities who had designated him to do so ( here ). Similar provisions are in place in other states for people who can’t cast their vote themselves ( here )

More recently, claims of “stuffed” drop boxes were raised by a film made by conservative commentator Dinesh D’Souza. As addressed by Reuters in a fact-check article ( here ), the documentary does not provide any concrete, verifiable evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election. Technology and election integrity experts consulted by Reuters also did not find the geolocation, surveillance or any other information presented showed plausible evidence of fraud.

DESTROYING BALLOTS?​

Other videos Reuters addressed claim to show ballots cast for a certain candidate that had been destroyed or discarded.

One example from Oklahoma showed ballots that were discarded because they were spoiled (where the voter mistakenly marked more than one option in a race), and not authentic ballots being thrown away ( here ). Another clip that made a similar claim from Virginia Beach featured sample ballots, not official ballots ( here ).


Other similar examples addressed by Reuters are viewable ( here ), ( here ), ( here )

ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES​

Reuters also debunked multiple allegations of voter fraud, blaming electronic voting machines and their providers. Examples can be read ( here ), ( here ), ( here ), ( here ), ( here ).

CLAIMS OF FRAUD AFTER 2020 ELECTION PROVEN TO BE FALSE​

False claims pedaled by former U.S. President Donald Trump and his followers blaming widespread voting fraud the 2020 election results have been rejected by courts, state governments and members of his own former administration ( here ).

U.S. election security officials have said the election was “the most secure in American history” ( here ), ( here ). Former U.S. Attorney General William Barr, the nation's top law enforcement official under Trump, said on Dec. 1, 2020, that he had not seen any evidence of fraud that would have changed the election results ( here ).


Furthermore, more than 50 lawsuits brought by Trump or his allies alleging election fraud or other irregularities were dismissed by state and federal judges ( here ).

In Arizona, where State Senate President Karen Fann, the Republican who paved the way for the so-called "full forensic audit" of 2.1 million ballots in Maricopa County, said the review's overall vote tally matched the initial results in November. "Truth is truth, numbers are numbers," Fann said at a Senate hearing on the review, which found only small variations, yielding 99 additional votes for Biden and 261 fewer votes for Trump. "Those numbers were close, within a few hundred." ( here ) ( here )

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work ( here ).

This doesn’t have anything to do with ballot harvesting. It's legal in a lot of states. As I've said multiple times "Democrats run better harvesting crews".

 

[Craton]

So DJT and his MAGA mob used a valid system aka Ballot Harvesting to incite the steal, stolen, fraud, fake votes huh?