Australia China relations

[farmerge]

Interesting to see that Albo is talking with One Hung Low. Perhaps the beginning of a cordial relationship but in whose favour will it balance out to

 

[Knobby22]

Interesting to see that Albo is talking with One Hung Low. Perhaps the beginning of a cordial relationship but in whose favour will it balance out to

improving trade is good for both parties. Neoclassical (and classical) economics 101.
It is definitely in both countries interests to improve the existing situation. if we can get back to the free trade treaty then we will all be better off.

 

[Joe Blow]

Interesting to see that Albo is talking with One Hung Low.

Please use the real names of people and public figures when discussing them. I think you were just joking here, but others may see these kind of names as racist so they are best avoided. Thanks.

 

[SirRumpole]

improving trade is good for both parties. Neoclassical (and classical) economics 101.
It is definitely in both countries interests to improve the existing situation. if we can get back to the free trade treaty then we will all be better off.

Dictators usually only respect strength. I'd say it might be more effective to put (or threaten to put) an export tax on coal, gas and iron ore going to China unless they removed their trade bans on us.

 

[farmerge]

Please use the real names of people and public figures when discussing them. I think you were just joking here, but others may see these kind of names as racist so they are best avoided. Thanks.

Morning joe Blow was tongue in cheek comment but will resist further attempts of this kind of humour

 

[Dona Ferentes]

Suddenly all's right with the world. Newly installed President-for-life Xi comes out smiling at the recent summits (G20, APEC and ASEAN). At a time when Putin is not present, Lavrov packed his bag and went home early and, importantly, the US mid-terms don't deliver any slide to the Trumpian Right.

A 'charm offensive' but also with an element of smarm. Why so fast? And, as PM Albanese said, he'd like to see tangible actions.

 

[bigdog]

China is complaining about having to get covid check prior to arrival into Australia

https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/destinations/asia/china

Still current at:07 January 2023
Updated:05 January 2023
Latest update:

Travellers arriving in Australia from China will be required to undertake a COVID-19 test within the 48 hours prior to travel and show evidence of a negative test result. This applies regardless of your COVID-19 vaccination status and includes Australian citizens. Other countries are implementing similar measures. China’s internal COVID-19 measures have been scaled down.

For Austalians to enter China, you need a "nucleic acid test" prior to departure. You should confirm pre-departure requirements with your nearest Chinese Embassy or Consulate and your travel agency. You'll be subject to centralised quarantine at the first point of entry to China, with an additional period of home health monitoring that will be determined by the local authorities. As previously advised, authorities have detained foreigners on grounds of 'endangering national security'. Australians may be at risk of arbitrary detention.

What is nucleic acid test for COVID?

A Nucleic Acid Amplification Test, or NAAT, is a type of viral diagnostic test for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. NAATs detect genetic material (nucleic acids). NAATs for SARS-CoV-2 specifically identify the RNA (ribonucleic acid) sequences that comprise the genetic material of the virus.

 

[farmerge]

China is complaining about having to get covid check prior to arrival into Australia

https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/destinations/asia/china

Still current at:07 January 2023
Updated:05 January 2023
Latest update:

Travellers arriving in Australia from China will be required to undertake a COVID-19 test within the 48 hours prior to travel and show evidence of a negative test result. This applies regardless of your COVID-19 vaccination status and includes Australian citizens. Other countries are implementing similar measures. China’s internal COVID-19 measures have been scaled down.

For Austalians to enter China, you need a "nucleic acid test" prior to departure. You should confirm pre-departure requirements with your nearest Chinese Embassy or Consulate and your travel agency. You'll be subject to centralised quarantine at the first point of entry to China, with an additional period of home health monitoring that will be determined by the local authorities. As previously advised, authorities have detained foreigners on grounds of 'endangering national security'. Australians may be at risk of arbitrary detention.

What is nucleic acid test for COVID?

A Nucleic Acid Amplification Test, or NAAT, is a type of viral diagnostic test for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. NAATs detect genetic material (nucleic acids). NAATs for SARS-CoV-2 specifically identify the RNA (ribonucleic acid) sequences that comprise the genetic material of the virus.

They're not bad are the Chinese are they. Want to travel freely and probably spread their bug and wogs at will but to enter their air space well do as I say, not as I do. Another form of population control in over populated countries such as their own.

 

[Dona Ferentes]

In Australia, the recently issued Defence Strategic Review dispels any idea of keeping economics and politics in separate lanes.

The new reality is here to stay, the document says, and all countries have to come to grips with it. As Deputy PM Richard Marles said in his preface, “Australia will continue to cooperate with China where we can, disagree where we must, manage our differences wisely, and, above all else, engage in and vigorously pursue our own national interest”.

Whereas the European Union has for some years tried to walk a tightrope on China, with a policy that looks like, by covering all bases, it will come unstuck: “a partner for co-operation and negotiation, an economic competitor, and a systemic rival.”

“Rivalry can be seen as having stepped up, but that doesn’t mean partnership has been stepped down,” said a honcho, revealing that Brussels bureaucrats would prepare a “position paper” for the next EU leaders’ summit in late June, which would “update and recalibrate our policy towards China."

Macron seems to think his approach can cut through the geopolitical binaries – Washington-Beijing, or democracy-autocracy – and keep the international order functioning. Meanwhile, Russia invades Ukraine , and China gets assertive with wolf warrior diplomacy and imposes unilateral trade sanctions on countries like Australia.

 

[sptrawler]

In Australia, the recently issued Defence Strategic Review dispels any idea of keeping economics and politics in separate lanes.

The new reality is here to stay, the document says, and all countries have to come to grips with it. As Deputy PM Richard Marles said in his preface, “Australia will continue to cooperate with China where we can, disagree where we must, manage our differences wisely, and, above all else, engage in and vigorously pursue our own national interest”.

It sounds like Australia's position hasn't changed much, from the last Government, which IMO is a good thing.

 

[farmerge]

Interesting to see on the news tonight that China now agrees to lift the tariff on our barley.
Now why would that be?
All of a sudden, good mate, good buddy, good friend, we need and want your barley.
I say keep supplying the countries that have been taking it recentley, and perhaps if there is any left over sell it to them at a premium.

 

[basilio]

China is suffering massive widespread floods and heatwaves. The devastation is overwhelming. If this had been happening in the US or Europe it would have made far bigger headlines. This story highlights some of the immense issues.

Might be a good time to offer practical sympathy diplomacy. Not sure how the economic impact of these disasters will affect Australia.

Beijing floodwaters diverted as anger sparked over plans to use outer cities as 'moat for the capital'

Struggling with the city's heaviest rainfall in at least 140 years, Beijing officials make the decision to divert floodwaters elsewhere, causing devastation in cities like Zhuozhou, which one official described as "a moat for the capital".

www.abc.net.au

 

[Sean K]

China is suffering massive widespread floods and heatwaves. The devastation is overwhelming. If this had been happening in the US or Europe it would have made far bigger headlines. This story highlights some of the immense issues.

Might be a good time to offer practical sympathy diplomacy. Not sure how the economic impact of these disasters will affect Australia.

Beijing floodwaters diverted as anger sparked over plans to use outer cities as 'moat for the capital'

Struggling with the city's heaviest rainfall in at least 140 years, Beijing officials make the decision to divert floodwaters elsewhere, causing devastation in cities like Zhuozhou, which one official described as "a moat for the capital".

www.abc.net.au

Australia China relations....??

 

[basilio]

Australia China relations....??

Yep. Our largest trading partner. Buys ship loads of iron ore and agricultural produce. Currently being absolutely trashed with massive floods, droughts and now earthquakes.

Their economy is going to be hammered with these events and Australia will be affected when our trade suffers.

When nations face cataclysmic situations, offers of help and empathy mean something. Basically humanitarian diplomacy. We are all humans.

China's economic losses from natural disasters surge to billions, adding more pressure to struggling economy​

By Jenny Cai with wires
Posted 32m ago32 minutes ago

China is suffering heavy economic loss from recent natural disasters due to severe weather. (AP: Ng Han Guan)
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A magnitude 5.5 earthquake has struck eastern China as rain continued to pelt the north-eastern regions in the wake of Typhoon Doksuri, adding more pressure to the country's struggle to recover its economy from the COVID pandemic.

Key points:​

• Analysis shows Chinese provinces occupy more than half of global top 50 list of states and provinces most at risk of climate-related disaster by 2050
• A magnitude 5.5 earthquake struck eastern China as flooding continues in the north-eastern regions
• The impact of floods, while common in China in summer, has grown more pronounced this year

China's direct economic losses from natural disasters surged to 41.18 billion yuan ($8.72billion) in July, more than in January to June combined.

The impact of floods, while common in China in summer, has grown more pronounced this year, affecting over 7 million people nationwide in July, when Beijing was struck by the worst rains in 140 years.

Meanwhile, scorching summer heat and drought are threatening crops in other regions after the capital's hottest June on record.
August, when rainfall usually peaks and temperatures soar, is set for further economic impact from floods and heatwaves.

Rainfall in north-eastern provinces could be as much as 50 per cent higher than normal in August, China's national forecaster have warned.
Shi Heling, an economic professor at Monash University, said impact of recent natural disasters had dealt a "huge blow" to China's economy.

China's economic losses from natural disasters surge to billions, adding more pressure to struggling economy

A magnitude-5.5 earthquake strikes eastern China as rain continued to pelt the north-eastern regions in the wake of Typhoon Doksuri, adding more pressure to the country's struggle to recover its economy from the COVID pandemic.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Sean K]

Yep. Our largest trading partner. Buys ship loads of iron ore and agricultural produce. Currently being absolutely trashed with massive floods, droughts and now earthquakes.

Their economy is going to be hammered with these events and Australia will be affected when our trade suffers.

When nations face cataclysmic situations, offers of help and empathy mean something. Basically humanitarian diplomacy. We are all humans.

China's economic losses from natural disasters surge to billions, adding more pressure to struggling economy​

By Jenny Cai with wires
Posted 32m ago32 minutes ago
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China is suffering heavy economic loss from recent natural disasters due to severe weather. (AP: Ng Han Guan)
Help keep family & friends informed by sharing this article

Link copied
A magnitude 5.5 earthquake has struck eastern China as rain continued to pelt the north-eastern regions in the wake of Typhoon Doksuri, adding more pressure to the country's struggle to recover its economy from the COVID pandemic.

Key points:​

• Analysis shows Chinese provinces occupy more than half of global top 50 list of states and provinces most at risk of climate-related disaster by 2050
• A magnitude 5.5 earthquake struck eastern China as flooding continues in the north-eastern regions
• The impact of floods, while common in China in summer, has grown more pronounced this year

China's direct economic losses from natural disasters surged to 41.18 billion yuan ($8.72billion) in July, more than in January to June combined.

The impact of floods, while common in China in summer, has grown more pronounced this year, affecting over 7 million people nationwide in July, when Beijing was struck by the worst rains in 140 years.

Meanwhile, scorching summer heat and drought are threatening crops in other regions after the capital's hottest June on record.
August, when rainfall usually peaks and temperatures soar, is set for further economic impact from floods and heatwaves.

Rainfall in north-eastern provinces could be as much as 50 per cent higher than normal in August, China's national forecaster have warned.
Shi Heling, an economic professor at Monash University, said impact of recent natural disasters had dealt a "huge blow" to China's economy.

China's economic losses from natural disasters surge to billions, adding more pressure to struggling economy

A magnitude-5.5 earthquake strikes eastern China as rain continued to pelt the north-eastern regions in the wake of Typhoon Doksuri, adding more pressure to the country's struggle to recover its economy from the COVID pandemic.

www.abc.net.au

Perhaps they better stop building the 250,000 MW or so of coal fired power plants they have planned and the 1.1m or so operating.

 

[basilio]

Perhaps they better stop building the 250,000 MW or so of coal fired power plants they have planned and the 1.1m or so operating.

Perhaps that is utterly irrelevant in this context ? Just another call out to flying pigs or whatever. Or perhaps they should eat cake ?

 

[Sean K]

Perhaps that is utterly irrelevant in this context ? Just another call out to flying pigs or whatever. Or perhaps they should eat cake ?

So, 'cataclysmic' natural disasters in China due to CO2 is not a reason for China to stop using FF? If your hypothesis is correct, China is killing itself.

In Australia's best interest in regards to China relations we should stop them from using FF completely, in the same time frame that we are. RE is the cheapest and most efficient form of energy isn't it? Or, don't you actually care about global boiling?

 

[Knobby22]

So, 'cataclysmic' natural disasters in China due to CO2 is not a reason for China to stop using FF? If your hypothesis is correct, China is killing itself.

In Australia's best interest in regards to China relations we should stop them from using FF completely, in the same time frame that we are. RE is the cheapest and most efficient form of energy isn't it? Or, don't you actually care about global boiling?

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Make the graph per capita...per person. We don't look so good then.
And yes, China is killing itself. Everyone needs to act. from Fiji, to us, to USA to China.
Can you send me the link? Like to look up a few other countries.

 

[Sean K]

Make the graph per capita...per person. We don't look so good then.
And yes, China is killing itself. Everyone needs to act. from Fiji, to us, to USA to China.

But Knobby, global boiling doesn't go up per capita. If CO2 is blistering the planet, it must stop now.

 

[Knobby22]

But Knobby, global boiling doesn't go up per capita. If CO2 is blistering the planet, it must stop now.

Yes, I agree. Why the but?