Australian Federal Election - 2022

[basilio]

A humorous summary of the ScoMo governments electioneering to date.

 

[sptrawler]

A humorous summary of the ScoMo governments electioneering to date.

Well Bas, after the years and years of bagging Trump, I would have thought you would have been full tilt against Scomo. ?

What about a bit of what the plans are?

 

[basilio]

In all the time I've been on this forum, this is the quietest I've ever seen the run up to the election, where is the banter, the rah rah, the sledging? What is happening, is it that beige an election, or are people just not sure which way to roll?

Why ? As far as I can see almost everyone on both sides of politics isn't impressed with the current governments record.

The Labour opposition has created as small a target as possible and seems to have ditched almost any courageous policies in place of safe proposals.

I believe most people think the Government will be thrown out but Labour supporters want to see the votes and Libs are just praying quietly.

Meanwhile a few million people have already voted. Hopefully the latest Newspoll figures are on the money.

Latest Opinion Polls Australia 2022: Coalition gains in the Weekend but can they Sustain the recovery? - CrowdWisdom360

Latest Opinion Polls Australia 2022: Liberal/National 32.7%, ALP 36.2%, Greens 12.0%. 13th May TPP Votes: Liberals/National 44.8%, ALP 55.2%. ALP has the highest lead since the campaign began

crowdwisdom.live

 

[wayneL]

In all the time I've been on this forum, this is the quietest I've ever seen the run up to the election, where is the banter, the rah rah, the sledging? What is happening, is it that beige an election, or are people just not sure which way to roll?

It's because all but the most tribal cheerleaders know that either way, we are well and truly @#$&ed.

 

[sptrawler]

It's because all but the most tribal cheerleaders know that either way, we are well and truly @#$&ed.

Which IMO is great, there is absolute confusion, most know that a $hit load of money has been thrown at helping everyone, but everyone hates those that threw it at them.
Now the problem is they have to decide who is going to help them from here, the media has talked up a storm, it will be interesting to see what the aftermath is IMO.
I think Labor will romp it in, but I don't think Labor believe they will, there are a lot of nervous politicians ATM. ?

 

[SirRumpole]

In all the time I've been on this forum, this is the quietest I've ever seen the run up to the election, where is the banter, the rah rah, the sledging? What is happening, is it that beige an election, or are people just not sure which way to roll?

I think it's because the policies are so thin.

What can we really discuss when both sides are making themselves as small a target as possible ?

It basically comes down to whether the Coalition deserve to be returned rather than whether Labor deserve to win .

Maybe it's so quiet because we are basically all of the same mind so there is no argument ?

Humid is probably manning a Labor polling booth somewhere and rederob is likely doing the same at a Green's one. Maybe wayneL is doing it for Pauline or Clive leaving just us mere mortals to discuss two incredibly bland campaigns.

 

[sptrawler]

I think it's because the policies are so thin.

What can we really discuss when both sides are making themselves as small a target as possible ?

It basically comes down to whether the Coalition deserve to be returned rather than whether Labor deserve to win .

Maybe it's so quiet because we are basically all of the same mind so there is no argument ?

Humid is probably manning a Labor polling booth somewhere and rederob is likely doing the same at a Green's one. Maybe wayneL is doing it for Pauline or Clive leaving just us mere mortals to discuss two incredibly bland campaigns.

You're probably right, but it is a weird sensation, like the quiet before the storm, obviously the last election scared the bejeezuz out of everyone.
But logics has to prevail IMO, the Libs have been in for a long time and the same crew get stale, you have to have a change of Government to stimulate new agenda's, new ideas, a fresh look at old problems.
I don't for one minute think the Coalition has done a bad job, we have recovered from a massive fiscal shutdown within 20 months, that is just amazing.
But it doesn't IMO mean that they will be great going on from here, the major problem will be the holes that will need backfilling, were dug by them for better or worse, so it will be hard for them to say we need to tighten the belt because we loosened it too far.
For a Labor Government they just have to say, well we need to fix this we didn't cause it, but unfortunately we have to fix it.
It just works, so really there isn't a choice IMO.

 

[SirRumpole]

I don't for one minute think the Coalition has done a bad job, we have recovered from a massive fiscal shutdown within 20 months, that is just amazing.

I'm not sure the Coalition had much to do with the recovery anyway. People couldn't go out so they saved their cash then splurged it when the restrictions were lifted.

The fall in unemployment was due to the fact that borders were closed and imported labour couldn't get in so naturally employers had to turn to local workers.

How long will the recovery last when the gates are opened and people have to fight for jobs again ?

 

[sptrawler]

I'm not sure the Coalition had much to do with the recovery anyway. People couldn't go out so they saved their cash then splurged it when the restrictions were lifted.

That's a nice thought, but in reality a lot of money was given to people who became unemployed and a lot of money was paid to companies to keep people on the payroll to work from home.
Memories are short and it didn't affect me, but i did watch a lady who was running a successful travel agency have a meltdown, she wasn't a friend or a relative but someone who my wife and I had booked an expensive trip through.
Being in Mandurah, it is a small town really, but watching her navigate through the whole pandemic was interesting, I got all my money back she managed her staff and closed down her business in an orderly manner, only due to Govt assistance. I still talk to her when walking the dog on the foreshore, the difference now is amazing, it isn't all doom and gloom.
Now she has downsized to a W.A focused business, but if it wasn't for the Govt I'm pretty sure she would have lopped herself and I'm not joking.

 

[SirRumpole]

That's a nice thought, but in reality a lot of money was given to people who became unemployed and a lot of money was paid to companies to keep people on the payroll to work from home.
Memories are short and it didn't affect me, but i did watch a lady who was running a successful travel agency have a meltdown, she wasn't a friend or a relative but someone who I had booked an expensive trip through.
Being in Mandurah, it is a small town really, but watching her navigate through the whole pandemic was interesting, I got all my money back she managed her staff and closed down her business in an orderly manner, only due to Govt assistance.
Now she has downsized to a W.A focused business, but if it wasn't for the Govt I'm pretty sure she would have lopped herself and I'm not joking.

I think Labor would have done the same or a similar thing, acting on advice from the Treasury/Health Departments, the actions were pretty bi-partisan as I recall.

 

[sptrawler]

I think Labor would have done the same or a similar thing, acting on advice from the Treasury/Health Departments, the actions were pretty bi-partisan as I recall.

Very possibly they would have, but if we are going to be honest, Kev put up the pension and the pension age to pay for it, I wouldn't mention that other than he is being a bitch at the moment. ?
Also last month I finally cracked my new 66.5 year pension age and my garbo mate has retired because next month he is 66.5 years old. ?

 

[Knobby22]

Very possibly they would have, but if we are going to be honest, Kev put up the pension and the pension age to pay for it, I wouldn't mention that other than he is being a bitch at the moment. ?
Also last month I finally cracked my new 66.5 year pension age and my garbo mate has retired because next month he is 66.5 years old. ?

Is it 66.5 to get the pension?

 

[sptrawler]

Is it 66.5 to get the pension?

It is for me, the wife doesn't qualify until 67, she was born in 1957.
Ah the irony, I just hope the next term takes it up to 70, why should only we suffer. ?
BRING IT ON BABY.
What was the last thing Howard and Costello said?"We are in surplus we will reduce taxes", they were thrown out and what has happened since then. ?
A mess, of promising everything and not working out how to fund it, just like the household budget, eventually afterpay runs out.
That's why Costello and the future fund have tripled our sovereign wealth fund and our budget has been blown to bits.

 

[Knobby22]

What was the last thing Howard and Costello said?"We are in surplus we will reduce taxes", they were thrown out and what has happened since then. ?

If only it was, they would be in still.

 

[sptrawler]

If only it was, they would be in still.

Actually Howard was toppled by a parachuted in Labor ABC celeb Maxine McKew who was out next election from memory.
So just shows how the "shallow Hal" of Australian politics goes.
It also shows, how the output or outcome of any Government means so little, whether they do well fiscally, socially or economically means little , if the people are fully invested in the media narrative.
That whole election revolved around work choices, which from memory was to increase the rights of employers, as to who they employed.
I've voted already and I've voted labor, there is no way we can keep throwing money at people, the way that it has been done the last two years over a bad flu, it is just stupid IMO.
I haven't had covid, several on hre have had it and have survived, so why the hell did all my dividends and money go down the toilet?
Lets get some austerity happening IMO.

 

[Knobby22]

Actually Howard was toppled by a parachuted in Labor ABC celeb Maxine McKew who was out next election from memory.
So just shows how the "shallow Hal" of Australian politics goes.
Also shows, how the output or outcome of any Government means so little, whether they do well fiscally, socially or economically means little , if the people are fully invested in the media narrative.

Nah, he toppled himself.
The election before he won with an increased majority and I and everyone I knew voted for him.
I remember him saying when he won that he warned the party to not get carried away and then he brought out new labour laws to legally cut our wages and before I know it I am being asked to sign a contract giving away holiday leave, 4 weeks only if made redundant and a friend is told he now has to work weekends for no extra pay or lose his job.

He lost his seat because everyone was angry at him. He had Australia at his feet and then he attacked us. I had young kids and a big mortgage so just signed away my conditions for a tiny wage rise. It was a stressful time.

 

[sptrawler]

Nah, he toppled himself.
The election before he won with an increased majority and I and everyone I knew voted for him.
I remember him saying when he won that he warned the party to not get carried away and then he brought out new labour laws to legally cut our wages and before I know it I am being asked to sign a contract giving away holiday leave, 4 weeks only if made redundant and a friend is told he now has to work weekends for no extra pay or lose his job.

He lost his seat because everyone was angry at him. He had Australia at his feet and then he attacked us. I had young kids and a big mortgage so just signed away my conditions for a tiny wage rise. It was a stressful time.

It's all got better since then.
Sacking Fluck Witt's was a problem then, it is still a problem now. He wanted to steamline getting rid off useless clunts, which created problems for unions.
And I've never run a small business and have been retired for 11 years, but when i talk to people in the coffee shops, kebab shops, the pub etc.
They all say it is still scary employing people because you will be in court over unfair dismissal if you aren't happy with them.
The local pub I go to pay a huge amount of money, to get the girl that does FIFO truck driving, to come in on her days off, so they can have time off.
Australia has lost the plot, the worlds most woke flucked up place on earth.
We just have to work out a system, where everyone does nothing and gets paid for it, then everyone will be happy.
WELLL that is until someone says I'm not happy that I don't get more than someone else, then you have a collapse ala the Eastern block.
Maybe the media needs to do some research on what they are promoting.

 

[wayneL]

Maybe wayneL is doing it for Pauline or Clive

As I've said many times here, I'm a classical liberal. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism (ya know, what the Liberal party *used* to be)

Therefore, now, it will always be the LibDems.

And yep, I'll be at the local polling station doing my bit next Saturday... Buckley's chance for a Reps seat (important to make a showing however), but every chance for the Senate.

 

[basilio]

Excellent story on Cathy McGowan on the ABC.

Cathy was one of the first Independents to take a government seat. She beat Sophie Mirabella in 2013, held the seat in 2016 and then assisted a new independent to win it in 2019.

She has developed a very effective process of listening to local people and encouraging quality independents to organise for a successful tilt against the Libs and Labour. Grassroots democracy at work.

'It's all about community and grassroots democracy': Could the rise of the independents change the outcome of the election?

When Cathy McGowan won the federal seat of Indi nearly a decade ago, no-one could have predicted her impact on this current election campaign. Now, she's seen as a "secret weapon" of the independents movement.

www.abc.net.au

 

[SirRumpole]

Coalition's super for houses plan would further increase house prices.

Those of us who own houses should be happy, but it's not going to help home buyers.

A super first home buyers policy? I wanted to scream, says Saul Eslake - Stockhead

Prime Minister Scott Morrison’s latest-declared plan would allow first home buyers to dip into their super to spend on a home deposit.

stockhead.com.au