Australian Federal Election - 2022

[wayneL]

At some point you might learn how to substantiate a claim rather than present a baseless claim.
I look forward to that day.

Watch.
The.
Video.

Rather than sticking your fingers in your ears singing la la la la la.

Jeezzuz!

 

[rederob]

Watch.
The.
Video.

Rather than sticking your fingers in your ears singing la la la la la.

Jeezzuz!

I did that and responded accordingly.
FYI there is a gulf of a difference between a quote used without context, and being used out of context. Credlin is not smart enough to work that out and you have followed suit.
No reasonable person could infer the the various contexts from the few words spoken, so Credlin has filled that gap with her expose.
However, using Timjbo's "outright lies" claim warrants exposing the lies, and you still won't or can't do that.

 

[wayneL]

I did that and responded accordingly.
FYI there is a gulf of a difference between a quote used without context, and being used out of context. Credlin is not smart enough to work that out and you have followed suit.
No reasonable person could infer the the various contexts from the few words spoken, so Credlin has filled that gap with her expose.
However, using Timjbo's "outright lies" claim warrants exposing the lies, and you still won't or can't do that.

Well I am all ears rederob, perhaps you can do an expose' of the context.

Like I said I am not trying to elicit any sort of support for the Liberal Party, not what I am trying to do here. However I'm trying to expose the bulshit advertising of the major parties, in this case the Labor Party.

Would be very happy for an expose of
the advertising the liberal party too.

Over to you my pharisaic friend

 

[rederob]

Well I am all ears rederob, perhaps you can do an expose' of the context.

How about you live up to you claim of "lies" as a starter.
Borrowing from Scomo, it's not my job.

 

[sptrawler]

Master stroke by Albo IMO.

Albanese sparks political storm by backing wage rise to match inflation

The government accused the Labor leader of making “policy on the run” while businesses said a higher minimum wage would destroy jobs.

www.smh.com.au

Labor leader Anthony Albanese has sparked a political storm by backing an increase in the minimum wage of at least 5.1 per cent

OMG just when I thought they had played the trump card to the entitled electorate, they choke WTF.
My god a dose of reality is just what was needed and they blow it.
Why can't we have 5% wage rises? Why can't the younger generation have to deal with 10% home loan interest? Maybe then they wouldn't bid up house prices
By the way I wouldn't mind 10% on my term deposit, that I've been getting 0% for years and no one has given a $hit about. ?
It certainly is time for a reality check. Let it roll.

Labor leaves room to retreat from Albanese’s wage rise call

One industry leader said Labor was “crab-walking” away from Albanese’s 5.1 per cent figure after Jim Chalmers added a caveat to the leader’s support.

www.smh.com.au

Labor has softened its stance for a 5.1 per cent increase in the minimum wage after a political firestorm over the cost to employers, saying it is yet to decide whether to set the target in a formal submission if it wins the May 21 election.
One day after Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese said he “absolutely” supported a 5.1 per cent increase to prevent wages falling below inflation, his colleagues left room to retreat from the goal when the Fair Work Commission rules on the question in June.

DON'T BE HOODWINKED, VOTE ALBO ONE, THE WORKER WILL BE A LOT BETTER OFF.

Could be another lose the unlosable election moment, what a mess.

 

[moXJO]

OMG just when I thought they had played the trump card to the entitled electorate, they choke WTF.
My god a dose of reality is just what was needed and they blow it.
Why can't we have 5% wage rises? Why can't the younger generation have to deal with 10% home loan interest? Maybe then they wouldn't bid up house prices
By the way I wouldn't mind 10% on my term deposit, that I've been getting 0% for years and no one has given a $hit about. ?
It certainly is time for a reality check. Let it roll.

Labor leaves room to retreat from Albanese’s wage rise call

One industry leader said Labor was “crab-walking” away from Albanese’s 5.1 per cent figure after Jim Chalmers added a caveat to the leader’s support.

www.smh.com.au

Labor has softened its stance for a 5.1 per cent increase in the minimum wage after a political firestorm over the cost to employers, saying it is yet to decide whether to set the target in a formal submission if it wins the May 21 election.
One day after Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese said he “absolutely” supported a 5.1 per cent increase to prevent wages falling below inflation, his colleagues left room to retreat from the goal when the Fair Work Commission rules on the question in June.

DON'T BE HOODWINKED, VOTE ALBO ONE, THE WORKER WILL BE A LOT BETTER OFF.

Could be another lose the unlosable election moment, what a mess.

He's just lucky everyone has zero interest in this election.

 

[sptrawler]

He's just lucky everyone has zero interest in this election.

You're spot on, we went to vote today, they were lined up down the street.

 

[SirRumpole]

He's just lucky everyone has zero interest in this election.

Except the MEDIA that delight in tripping everyone up especially Albo.

Really, some of the media have gone feral, I wonder what they do the rest of the time when there is no election on.

A very small sample of people gave Albanese a win in the last debate, if that matters.

 

[PZ99]

It doesn't matter what target Labor set.. 5% , 10% whatever, It's just one of thousands of opinions sent to fairwork prior to the next wage review. The Morrison Govt doesn't send one at all which can only be seen as apathy despite claiming the contrary.

If Labor are now walking away from it then it was obviously one of Albo's "captain calls". That's going to be a problem for Labor if they win Govt because having a lefty leading a party with a caucus of 70/30 leaning to the right is a recipe for another Gough or Gillard style disunity.

I think Labor should grow a pair and not only stick with the 5.1% but also recommend the Sunday penalty rates for retail / hospitality be changed back to their previous level.

Then if they win Govt they should legislate tax cuts for small business to pay for the above.

Of course that means the taxpayer pays for all this but if that means they benefit from more shops staying open and more spending power then it's a win/win

 

[rederob]

Of course that means the taxpayer pays for all this but if that means they benefit from more shops staying open and more spending power then it's a win/win

As proven by the covid booster payment for unemployed a few years back, those on low incomes pour back into the economy nearly every extra dollar they receive, so any increase of the basic wage will be largely stimulatory.
On the other end of the scale you have the leprechauns that pocket Jobkeeper while sacking employees and rehiring cheaper contractors, and Qantas was not alone on gaming the system. As many have pointed out, Robodebt was an easy target and wouldn't cost the Coalition votes, but clawing back billions from undeserving businesses would have.

Albo's game plan (ie., "don't make yourself a target") was the complete opposite of Shorten's until the wage bid. However, it's a bit mean spirited to deny the lowest paid a little bit more so I doubt if there will be any serious damage done as those businesses most affected would least likely be voting Labor.

 

[wayneL]

It does become a viscous inflationary cycle however, until something breaks.

But I think it's pretty inevitable as gumints and CBs have already let that cat out of the bag two years ago, wages will go up whether by market forces or mandate.

My trade has gone up roughly 10% due to costs.

 

[Knobby22]

The decision is supposedly being made by an independent umpire and what the PM and Opposition say is irrelevant.

Bill Evans the respected Westpac economist said what he expects will happen is a smaller rise now with a catch up rises next year.

 

[Knobby22]

A very small sample of people gave Albanese a win in the last debate, if that matters.

Rumpy. I have it on good authority that Scomo won.
And puppies like him also!

 

[Smurf1976]

The trouble with Australian federal politics is all the parties have simply become stuck in a rut of entrenched dogma. Ask them a question and out comes the same basic answer every time whether it's sensible or not.

The Coalition will say that a "hands off" free market response will fix it. Anything from pandemics to housing to bushfires it's the same "not my job" hands off approach.

The Greens will find some way to say it's due to climate change and if not that then it must be big business.

Labor will blame the government without saying how they'd do it better.

United Australia Party will promise to fix it with grand sounding ideas that simply don't add up when subject to even the most basic scrutiny.

Some exceptions sure, I'd pick Labor as best of the rather bad bunch personally, but they've all turned into religious-like preachers of their ideology rather than what we need which is pragmatic leadership.

There's a place for free markets, renewable energy, criticising the government and coming up with grand ideas sure but there's also a need for leadership, keeping the oil flowing so long as we need it, presenting actual solutions to problems and being realistic about what's possible and what's not.

We need leadership not dogma on constant repeat.

 

[SirRumpole]

The trouble with Australian federal politics is all the parties have simply become stuck in a rut of entrenched dogma. Ask them a question and out comes the same basic answer every time whether it's sensible or not.

The Coalition will say that a "hands off" free market response will fix it. Anything from pandemics to housing to bushfires it's the same "not my job" hands off approach.

The Greens will find some way to say it's due to climate change and if not that then it must be big business.

Labor will blame the government without saying how they'd do it better.

United Australia Party will promise to fix it with grand sounding ideas that simply don't add up when subject to even the most basic scrutiny.

Some exceptions sure, I'd pick Labor as best of the rather bad bunch personally, but they've all turned into religious-like preachers of their ideology rather than what we need which is pragmatic leadership.

There's a place for free markets, renewable energy, criticising the government and coming up with grand ideas sure but there's also a need for leadership, keeping the oil flowing so long as we need it, presenting actual solutions to problems and being realistic about what's possible and what's not.

We need leadership not dogma on constant repeat.

I certainly agree.

For me it comes down to the point that if the current lot isn't doing the job then you sack them and give someone else a go.

Governments are like nappies, they need to be changed often and for the same reasons.

 

[Belli]

I certainly agree.

For me it comes down to the point that if the current lot isn't doing the job then you sack them and give someone else a go.

Governments are like nappies, they need to be changed often and for the same reasons.

That is a position I put to a friend. I don't know if others would do any better but I look at what challenges the current incumbents have faced and how they have dealt with them. If I consider they are found wanting in that regard then it's time for them to go.

 

[Knobby22]

I just think it's Morrison. He is like a cancer to the Liberal Party and is damaging it internally every day he is charge.

He is a vacuum of policy, ruthless powerbroker, and enjoys culture war stuff setting people against against each other e.g. transgender, women, religion, Chinese.

He is killing the Libs. He is kryptonite.

 

[SirRumpole]

I just think it's Morrison. He is like a cancer to the Liberal Party and is damaging it internally every day he is charge.

He is a vacuum of policy, ruthless powerbroker, and enjoys culture war stuff setting people against against each other e.g. transgender, women, religion, Chinese.

He is killing the Libs. He is kryptonite.

He's a big factor for sure but who else ? Friedburger or Dutton ? Both are politicians first with no foresight or vision. Reactionary rather than proactive.

Let's remember that Morrison has only been PM for 3 years or so. What came before was chaos as well.

* Over 20 energy policies and none implemented.

* Butchering of the NBN because it was Labor's idea.

* Made a $5 billion mistake on the subs.

* Made a $2 billion mistake on Robodebt.

* Doubled the debt before the pandemic.

* Gave money to businesses that didn't need it.

* Gave money to a company to protect the Barrier Reef that had no experience in the area.

* Ministerial standards gone to pot.

* No ICAC because they have too much to hide.

* Allowing private companies to take over the electricity industry and put prices through the roof.

On virtually every aspect of performance they are incompetents. Time for a change.

 

[sptrawler]

He's a big factor for sure but who else ? Friedburger or Dutton ? Both are politicians first with no foresight or vision. Reactionary rather than proactive.

Let's remember that Morrison has only been PM for 3 years or so. What came before was chaos as well.

* Over 20 energy policies and none implemented.

* Butchering of the NBN because it was Labor's idea.

* Made a $5 billion mistake on the subs.

* Made a $2 billion mistake on Robodebt.

* Doubled the debt before the pandemic.

* Gave money to businesses that didn't need it.

* Gave money to a company to protect the Barrier Reef that had no experience in the area.

* Ministerial standards gone to pot.

* No ICAC because they have too much to hide.

* Allowing private companies to take over the electricity industry and put prices through the roof.

On virtually every aspect of performance they are incompetents. Time for a change.

It will be earth shattering for labor, if the Coalition win, I've never seen an all in election like this one.

 

[SirRumpole]

It will be earth shattering for labor, if the Coalition win, I've never seen an all in election like this one.

I don't think there has been an election where the policies have been so thin, but I don't think you can blame Labor for doing that after the last election. They are obviously going for the minimalist strategy , matching the Coalition's vote grabbers and throwing in a few of their own.

If Labor don't win this time then as you say they will be shattered because what else could they do ?