Australian Federal Election - 2022

[wayneL]

Like how they butted out of the banks ripping off all and sundry blind (still do) unabated?

Dude, the gumint facilitates it.

Look deeper.

 

[wayneL]

Andrews, Vic state premier?


Talking federal ICAC hopefully along the lines of the NSW state ICAC.

Again, look deeper.

 

[wayneL]

I think this election is the most definitive one in my lifetime, I just am looking forward to the outcome.

I'm not.

Because either way, unless 'Strayans wake the fark up. The outcome will be equally *bad*

 

[SirRumpole]

Actually, I would like government to butt out as much as possible. Leave us the f*** alone to run our own lives.

The government has to take charge of the energy sector otherwise private enterprise will gouge the consumer for all they are worth.

It's an essential service the price of which erupts like a volcano through the economy and society.

The Libs have stuffed it up with their 'free market' ideology and it's time to reign in in. If competition doesn't produce lower prices then the industry has to be regulated.

 

[sptrawler]

I see the pork barrelling is alive and well.
$2.2b would put in a $hit load of E.V charging infrastructure, or buy out a couple of major power stations, rather than funding someone's pet rail legacy project.

 

[SirRumpole]

I see the pork barrelling is alive and well.
$2.2b would put in a $hit load of E.V charging infrastructure, rather than funding someone's pet rail legacy project.
Or buy out a couple of major power stations.


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OK, so it's not a good idea to get cars off the road whether they be ICE or EV's ?

Maybe EV owners would be glad of public transport when they have to pay increased road charges to compensate for the fuel excise they won't be paying to the government. And as we have discussed before, it's inevitable that EV's will be slugged by a levy of some sort to replace lost revenue.

 

[sptrawler]

OK, so it's not a good idea to get cars off the road whether they be ICE or EV's ?

Maybe EV owners would be glad of public transport when they have to pay increased road charges to compensate for the fuel excise they won't be paying to the government. And as we have discussed before, it's inevitable that EV's will be slugged by a levy of some sort to replace lost revenue.

It's certainly not getting you me or a lot of NSW,Qld, S.A, NT, W.A and Tassies off the road and I know we are all putting in train tracks. Doesn't Melbourne city centre have an electric tram system already?
But I guess as long as the lipstick is put on the right pig, it is ok. ?

As for the fuel excise, isn't that a Federal tax and hasn't Dan already put a new E.V tax for loss of excise that he doesn't get.

 

[PZ99]

The electric tram system only covers the city - this railway line is a loop to include the airport.

Currently you have to get a bus to go to the airport and that leaves you exposed to the traffic on the Tullamarine Fwy which is basically a shopping centre carpark. It's just not adequate for getting to the airport in the 21st century.

But I thought all this was happening under the Turnbull Govt ? They must have backed out citing expense or a grudge with the Victorian Govt - or both

 

[IFocus]

I see the pork barrelling is alive and well.
$2.2b would put in a $hit load of E.V charging infrastructure, or buy out a couple of major power stations, rather than funding someone's pet rail legacy project.


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Rail infrastructure pork barrelling?

So you prefer car parks... sorry couldn't resist I know you don't.

 

[wayneL]

The government has to take charge of the energy sector otherwise private enterprise will gouge the consumer for all they are worth.

It's an essential service the price of which erupts like a volcano through the economy and society.

The Libs have stuffed it up with their 'free market' ideology and it's time to reign in in. If competition doesn't produce lower prices then the industry has to be regulated.

I'm not agin government involvement in essential public utilities, even government ownership.

However I would never categorise the current power market as laissez-faire.

 

[sptrawler]

Rail infrastructure pork barrelling?

So you prefer car parks... sorry couldn't resist I know you don't.

I didn't realise pork barreling was categorised, I thought it was funneling money to a specific area in order to sway voters. ?

Shame he couldn't promise W.A $2b for the airport rail link, that we in W.A are funding, but then again i suppose it depends which pig has the lipstick.
Just saying, some wear an eye patch.

Perth Airport - Corporate | To and from Perth Airport

www.perthairport.com.au

The $2 billion State Government-funded Forrestfield-Airport Link is the transport solution to improve connections to and from Perth Airport, the eastern suburbs and regional centres.

The rail link will connect with the existing Midland line near Bayswater Station and will run to Forrestfield through underground tunnels, to ensure minimal impact on the existing land and road network.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/no-money-for-perth-airport-rail-link-in-liberals-plans/news-story/4331ee43fe2131278239b324686c4a56

IT is official - WA Premier Colin Barnett will not receive one cent for his promised $4 billion rail projects if Tony Abbott wins the federal election

Governments agree $A10bn funding for Melbourne Airport Rail Link

The Australian federal and Victorian state governments have signed a heads of agreement for a $A 10bn joint commitment to the Melbourne Airport Rail Link

www.railjournal.com

THE Australian federal and Victorian state governments have signed a heads of agreement which sets out the strategic objectives, governance arrangements and information sharing processes for a $A 10bn ($US 7bn) joint commitment to building the Melbourne Airport Rail Link.

 

[SirRumpole]

I didn't realise pork barreling was categorised, I thought it was funneling money to a specific area in order to sway voters. ?

A lot of grey lines there.

Whoever is in charge of an ICAC after the election should provide a pretty clear definition on when government grants will be considered corruption, so governments don't accidentally step over the mark.

 

[IFocus]

I didn't realise pork barreling was categorised, I thought it was funneling money to a specific area in order to sway voters. ?

Shame he couldn't promise W.A $2b for the airport rail link, that we in W.A are funding, but then again i suppose it depends which pig has the lipstick.
Just saying, some wear an eye patch.

Perth Airport - Corporate | To and from Perth Airport

www.perthairport.com.au

The $2 billion State Government-funded Forrestfield-Airport Link is the transport solution to improve connections to and from Perth Airport, the eastern suburbs and regional centres.

The rail link will connect with the existing Midland line near Bayswater Station and will run to Forrestfield through underground tunnels, to ensure minimal impact on the existing land and road network.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/no-money-for-perth-airport-rail-link-in-liberals-plans/news-story/4331ee43fe2131278239b324686c4a56

IT is official - WA Premier Colin Barnett will not receive one cent for his promised $4 billion rail projects if Tony Abbott wins the federal election

Governments agree $A10bn funding for Melbourne Airport Rail Link

The Australian federal and Victorian state governments have signed a heads of agreement for a $A 10bn joint commitment to the Melbourne Airport Rail Link

www.railjournal.com

THE Australian federal and Victorian state governments have signed a heads of agreement which sets out the strategic objectives, governance arrangements and information sharing processes for a $A 10bn ($US 7bn) joint commitment to building the Melbourne Airport Rail Link.

Tony Abbott.

 

[wayneL]

Tony Abbott.

Yep, the only leader of any country, anywhere on the planet, at any time in history, who has ever pork barreled any constituency in any electorate, anywhere.

 

[sptrawler]

Tony Abbott.

Yes he pulled the funding way back in 2013, we are still trying to build it. ?

 

[sptrawler]

The electric tram system only covers the city - this railway line is a loop to include the airport.

Currently you have to get a bus to go to the airport and that leaves you exposed to the traffic on the Tullamarine Fwy which is basically a shopping centre carpark. It's just not adequate for getting to the airport in the 21st century.

But I thought all this was happening under the Turnbull Govt ? They must have backed out citing expense or a grudge with the Victorian Govt - or both

My appologies, I thought they were two seperate projects, I thought the city loop was an Andrews brain fart, my error.

 

[PZ99]

My appologies, I thought they were two seperate projects, I thought the city loop was an Andrews brain fart, my error.

No it's all good - we had a similar setup with a railway line in Sydney about 20 years ago and it made a big difference.

The airport loves it because they make a truckload of $$$ from their entry tarrifs.

A train ticket to Mascot is around $6 - next stop airport... $20

 

[IFocus]

Yes he pulled the funding way back in 2013, we are still trying to build it. ?

Big job must be getting close haven't been keeping track


As for Abbott he just diverted the funds to his sponsors spending under Abbott still went up.

j

 

[Eager]

I see the pork barrelling is alive and well.
$2.2b would put in a $hit load of E.V charging infrastructure, or buy out a couple of major power stations, rather than funding someone's pet rail legacy project.

What a silly response. How could it be called pork barrelling when the route of the proposed railway traverses both red and blue seats?

 

[sptrawler]

What a silly response. How could it be called pork barrelling when the route of the proposed railway traverses both red and blue seats?

What silly reasoning, if the seats are marginal or if the project was important enough locally to sway the constituents, it doesn't matter what colour seats they are, tut tut.