Australian Federal Election - 2022

[SirRumpole]

A silly example of wrong media priorities. A lot of fuss over something that affects a tiny number of people. Forget it and get back to the cost of living.

 

[Eager]

I got to "RWNJ" and concluded this is waffle that should immediately be discarded from reasonable discussion.

Pfffft

I expected that. Saying that you refused to look beyond the attention-getter because the factual text that follows doesn't suit your narrative (which, no doubt, you did actually read). Regarding trans issues, it proves that people have a clear choice; become educated or remain ignorant. It's easy to see which choice you made.

 

[PZ99]

I expected that. Saying that you refused to look beyond the attention-getter because the factual text that follows doesn't suit your narrative (which, no doubt, you did actually read). Regarding trans issues, it proves that people have a clear choice; become educated or remain ignorant. It's easy to see which choice you made.

You might like to consider going through some of his previous general chat threads and decide if his baiting even is worth responding to...

Basically it's everything from "Trump Derangement Syndrome" to "Western society is doomed"

Presumably your post must have hit a nerve because it was factual, wasn't self defeatist and violated the elitist views from someone who happily, and with gay abandon loved to throw the TDS label at anyone on here who disagreed with Trump or his polices.

Coming from someone who says "waffle" should be discarded from discussion is hypocrisy at its very best which is why the most common bit of text I see of his is "You are ignoring content by this member"

:Waves at Wayne from the vantage point of the lunatic centre: ​

 

[sptrawler]

It is good to see someone is going to look into NDIS, I've been saying for ages it is the elephant in the room, there are more people milking that than the pensions IMO.
From what I'm hearing on the ground, every man and his dog is overcharging, as soon as NDIS is mentioned.

Amid a 'critical moment' for the NDIS, Labor pledges new review if it wins election

Labor says it wants to "restore trust" in the NDIS, amid warnings about the scheme's sustainability and reports some participants have been facing significant cuts to their plans in recent months.

www.abc.net.au

Labor unveiled six key measures it said would "return the scheme to its original vision", aimed at fixing "wastage" on the administrative side of operations and putting people with disability "back at the top" of the NDIS.

They include:

• an expert review that will "guarantee plans will not be arbitrarily cut"
• lifting staffing levels at the National Disability Insurance Agency (NDIA), which runs the NDIS
• reviewing the use of external lawyers and consultancy contracts, as well as cracking down on "cowboys out there taking advantage of the NDIS money"
• streamlining the planning and appeals process to make NDIS decision-making "more efficient, fair and investment-focused"
• and appointing a senior officer within the NDIA to boost service delivery in regional areas

 

[wayneL]

I expected that. Saying that you refused to look beyond the attention-getter because the factual text that follows doesn't suit your narrative (which, no doubt, you did actually read). Regarding trans issues, it proves that people have a clear choice; become educated or remain ignorant. It's easy to see which choice you made.

I choose biology... You know, science.

 

[moXJO]

The problem is, all the RWNJ's west of the Blue Mountains (and a good deal of them east of there, too) think that their yokel-based 'expert opinions' somehow hold weight.

Deves should be hung, drawn and quartered for her comments IMHO. The ignorant Great Unwashed, including the PM and many conservative voters, are big on rhetoric and dog whistling, driving fear into themselves and others that somehow, trans people are taking over the world (wait until Hanson says that we are being swamped by trannies!). Deves' pile-on is completely warranted.

Let's look at the issue itself. Deves seems to be saying that girl's and women's sport should be 'protected' from supposedly physically superior Assigned Males At Birth competing against the females, simply because they purposely got their dicks cut off to win against them.

Does anyone here who supports Deve's or Morrison's stance actually know what the transition process involves? I didn't think so.

Androgen Deprivation Therapy must be undertaken for at least 12 months. Within the first month, testosterone levels are reduced to the castrate level. This is less than the small level found in people born and recognised as 'female'. So, 'natural' women have more testosterone than trans women. For trans women, purely due to ADT, muscle mass is significantly reduced, weight is gained, bone thinning is common, post-menopausal symptoms such as hot flushes are constantly endured, and, at best, depression induced from ADT is only just negated by the mental release from gender dysphoria. If a trans woman looks ripped it's because she's worked much harder in the gym than her equivalent fat male counterpart who sits at his desk eating donuts and thinks he deserves superiority, or some blonde bimbo from the northern beaches!

Opponents of trans women competing in female sporting competitions tend to focus on their winning records. From the following article I will highlight this -

The issue bubbles away, but every so often a sports story emerges that puts the issue back in the spotlight. Most recently it was American swimmer Lia Thomas competing in the NCAA college championships.

In mid-March Thomas made history by winning the 500-yard freestyle race, becoming the first transgender woman to win an NCAA title in swimming. Much was made of her performance in beating two Olympic silver medallists.

What wasn't explained was that the 500-yard event is not a distance contested at either the world championships or the Olympic Games. The two silver medallists in Thomas's race were specialists in other events. Thomas's winning time of 4 minutes and 33.24 seconds was almost a full 10 seconds behind the NCAA record for the event, a long way short of the "smashing" of the record others had predicted.

At the same championships, from 18 events, 13 records were broken, three of them by a single swimmer who nobody is talking about.

'It's not the problem they're making it out to be': Why trans sportswomen have become an election issue

Focus has once again turned to the issue of transgender women in sport, leaving more significant issues unchallenged, writes Tracey Holmes.

www.abc.net.au

Natural women often have more testosterone then a muscle pig coming off a steroid cycle. It doesn't mean a whole lot.

Men and women's bodies are setup very differently. Ligaments, joints, bones all favour men. I'm not sure if there's a study on muscle memory on those who transition. It gets amplified for those that routinely train.
In boxing/mma I think there needs to be some level of caution.

Let's put it another way, no one is complaining about female to male transitions going into men's sports. It's probably encouraged (no proof on that statement I'm just talking out my arse).

Another "tabloid" reason, is we have low ranked males suddenly moving to the top rankings in women's sports. So there does seem to be an advantage. However it seems to be select examples that are possibly at the more extreme ends.

It's not just right-wing. Tabloid "Feminists" and other previous leftards are also against.

It's a more complex situation then you are alluding to. It's also a recent change so warrants discussion. However I support Trans in doing whatever they want so long as it is safe/fair for them and those they participate with.

 

[Eager]

I choose biology... You know, science.

Ahh, so you're one of those who think that sex and gender are always one and the same and that non-binary people don't really exist. Science says otherwise!

 

[Eager]

Men and women's bodies are setup very differently. Ligaments, joints, bones all favour men. I'm not sure if there's a study on muscle memory on those who transition. It gets amplified for those that routinely train.
In boxing/mma I think there needs to be some level of caution.

Point of order, for those who have gone through the lengthy process of transitioning, bone and ligament alignment, particularly around the pelvic area, do in fact change. It is also common for the trans woman to be shorter than when she was pretending to be a man.

I wonder if people here are confusing trans women with shemales?

 

[sptrawler]

Ahh, so you're one of those who think that sex and gender are always one and the same and that non-binary people don't really exist. Science says otherwise!

I think what @moXJO was suggesting is, that women and men have different muscle mass and different body fat mass, as a matter of DNA. Whether they see themselves as male or female, has very little to do with the underlying body type, despite surgery the DNA stays the same from my understanding.
If having surgery etc was all that was required to change from a man to a women, surgery would enable them to have a child also.
But as I said earlier it will get sorted out, if transgender athlete's start dominating, that will then become an equality issue and we have to have equality.

I wonder if people are confusing physical characteristics, with genetic characteristics.

Adult males have more overall muscle mass and less body fat than females, even in trained samples. Male athletes average 4% to 12% body fat compared to 12% to 23% in female athletes

 

[wayneL]

Ahh, so you're one of those who think that sex and gender are always one and the same and that non-binary people don't really exist. Science says otherwise!

Those cases where sex is indistinct is miniscule, but concede that they do exist. Yes there is science to support that.

I also understand that there is the phenomena of gender dysphoria. If a person wishes to live their best life as something other than their biological sex, then I have no problem whatsoever with that. I am a libertarian so if that makes somebody happy then that's fine.

As a society we have decided to entertain that for the benefit of them. I'm cool with that too.

But we must recognise that, apart from those *very few cases of genuine, biological trans sex cases, that it is a psychological, rather than a biological phenomenon... And it may be temporary or even fleeting... With all the implications involved there.

Happy to spend the next 7 hours writing a book on this subject but I have other stuff to do.

... And for the record, just like so many of us, I do have friends and clients who fit in this category, especially in being with the horse world...

But in the end there is the biology, physiology and morphology of male and female, even if there is some significant overlap in many of these aspects.

 

[PZ99]

Now we're getting somewhere...

Labor and Coalition turn federal election campaign focus to industrial relations

Both parties renew a debate over industrial relations, with the Coalition vowing to double the fines imposed on unions that break the law and Labor arguing the Coalition's proposed changes to penalty rates and overtime will leave some workers worse off.

www.abc.net.au

The good test as to who gets the BOOT

 

[IFocus]

So as the religious right take over the NSW Liberal party (Morrison inspired pre selections) I see many here have taken the bait and switch tactic arguing about the perils of trans gender women.

You have been sucked in.

Note Morrison is happy to get rid of moderates and back religious right radicals making BS public statements then withdrawing them and apologising, dog whistle at its best.

After reading this discussion another term of Morrison Australia cannot afford but looks like its coming.

 

[SirRumpole]

So as the religious right take over the NSW Liberal party (Morrison inspired pre selections) I see many here have taken the bait and switch tactic arguing about the perils of trans gender women.

You have been sucked in.

Note Morrison is happy to get rid of moderates and back religious right radicals making BS public statements then withdrawing them and apologising, dog whistle at its best.

After reading this discussion another term of Morrison Australia cannot afford but looks like its coming.

Absolutely sucked in.

It's not a political issue any more, it's one that should be handled by the sporting organisations.

 

[sptrawler]

So as the religious right take over the NSW Liberal party (Morrison inspired pre selections) I see many here have taken the bait and switch tactic arguing about the perils of trans gender women.

You have been sucked in.

Note Morrison is happy to get rid of moderates and back religious right radicals making BS public statements then withdrawing them and apologising, dog whistle at its best.

After reading this discussion another term of Morrison Australia cannot afford but looks like its coming.

If the discussion about transgender athletes can convince you that Morrison will win the election over it, that indicates you don't have a lot of confidence in Albo IMO.
This transgender issue seems to be an own goal by the NSW guy Keane, making an issue out of something like that is a pointless exercise IMO, as @SirRumpole said it is an issue the sporting bodies will sort out.
Real storm in a teacup, being fanned by the media as usual IMO.
The real issue is IMO, why someone can't run for parliament because they don't agree with something, are we becoming that much much of a "mind controlling" police state?
What is next, if you have been on strike, or on a picket line, or had a speeding ticket, you can't run for parliament, because the media decide you aren't suitable, where does the line end?
Obviously persecution is only acceptable, when it is against a Christian, or someone who doesn't agree 100% with the media and transgender acceptance in female sport, there certainly are weird pitchfork people around, being egged on by the media. ?

 

[IFocus]

If the discussion about transgender athletes can convince you that Morrison will win the election over it, that indicates you don't have a lot of confidence in Albo IMO.
This transgender issue seems to be an own goal by the NSW guy Keane, making an issue out of something like that is a pointless exercise IMO, as @SirRumpole said it is an issue the sporting bodies will sort out.
Real storm in a teacup, being fanned by the media as usual IMO.
The real issue is IMO, why someone can't run for parliament because they don't agree with something, are we becoming that much much of a "mind controlling" police state?
What is next, if you have been on strike, or on a picket line, or had a speeding ticket, you can't run for parliament, because the media decide you aren't suitable, where does the line end?
Obviously persecution is only acceptable, when it is against a Christian, or someone who doesn't agree 100% with the media and transgender acceptance in female sport, there certainly are weird pitchfork people around, being egged on by the media. ?

The media?

Its simply a mirror to who we are, think about it they are producing a product the public want other wise they just wouldn't produce it. .

My reason re the election of Morrison is you lot are not stupid yet you all bought into the bait, but the real issue is the standards the Liberal party stands for which ATM is up for debate.

I am fine about Albanese he has had a long public life and is a pretty steady hand but asking around and I get the reply he appears weak, I know he isn't but that doesn't matter.

As for the Christian thing have a look at WA Libs, dogs breakfast which is not good for good governance and it wont work federally either IMHO.

 

[basilio]

Josh Fridenberg has kicked a most spectacular own goal in Kooyong.

Somehow The CEO of the charity Guide Dogs Australia has been encouraged to write a glowing support letter for Josh. Think about for a second. A CEO of a charity opening supporting a political party before an election.

Guide Dogs Victoria launches internal investigation after CEO Karen Hayes publicly endorses Treasurer Josh Frydenberg​

Guide Dogs Victoria has launched an internal investigation following its chief executive officer publicly endorsing federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg's bid for re-election.

Key points:​

• The Guide Dogs Victoria board said it had no prior knowledge of Ms Hayes's endorsement
• The charity has requested the material be "immediately removed from circulation"
• Mr Frydenberg is defending Ms Hayes's endorsement of him

The move may be in breach of regulations for charities set out by a national body.

Karen Hayes appeared in a social media video posted on Mr Frydenberg's Facebook page yesterday, and she featured in letterbox flyers dropped off in the seat of Kooyong.

In a flyer, Ms Hayes is pictured holding a guide dog puppy alongside the words "Why I am supporting Josh Frydenberg".

The letter is signed "Karen, Chief Executive Officer, Guide Dogs Victoria".

In the social media video, Ms Hayes credits the Treasurer with helping the charity complete a $30 million renovation of its Kew headquarters.

"He gives us guidance and connects us with people in the community, or within government, that we need to talk to to make change," Ms Hayes said.

A message at the end of the video confirmed it was "authorised by Josh Frydenberg".

The organisation has released a statement saying its board had "no prior knowledge of the distribution of this material and does not endorse it".

Guide Dogs Victoria launches investigation after CEO publicly endorses Josh Frydenberg

The organisation's chief executive officer Karen Hayes has publicly endorsed the Treasurer in her seat of Kooyong through a social media video and in letterbox flyers.

www.abc.net.au

Josh Frydenberg says he has pulled election ads after Guide Dogs Victoria complaint

Charity says it is committed to remaining apolitical and has launched an investigation

www.theguardian.com

Charity commission says political endorsements not allowed​

The Australian Charities and Not-For-Profits Commission (ACNC) website says charitable organisations will be disqualified for "promoting or opposing a political party or candidate for political office".

 

[sptrawler]

The media?

Its simply a mirror to who we are, think about it they are producing a product the public want other wise they just wouldn't produce it. .

If that was true circulation would be increasing, rather than declining, think about it.
If the media appealed to people, by reporting honest intelligent news, intelligent people would buy the papers, they don't they rely on adverts to keep in business.

My reason re the election of Morrison is you lot are not stupid yet you all bought into the bait, but the real issue is the standards the Liberal party stands for which ATM is up for debate.

No one has bought into anything, the impression I'm getting is most don't really think it should rate a mention.
The only people who seem to buying into it seem to be getting emotional about it, which tends to affect rational thought IMO.

I am fine about Albanese he has had a long public life and is a pretty steady hand but asking around and I get the reply he appears weak, I know he isn't but that doesn't matter.

You are the only one here that is implying Albo is weak, so where you are coming from with that remark, is beyond me.

As for the Christian thing have a look at WA Libs, dogs breakfast which is not good for good governance and it wont work federally either IMHO.

As for the Christian thing, there has been a huge focus on Morrisons Christian beliefs in a derogatory way, how the media thinks focusing on that in a Christian country is a winner, is again beyond me.
With regard the W.A Liberals, they were a one trick pony, Barnett was the Liberal Party in W.A he was the only one with any brains and foresight, when he was gone the Libs were gone nothing to do with Christians IMO.
No one can even remember any W.A Liberal Party politicians, since Barnett has gone.
McGowan and Labor in W.A are of a similar ilk, ask any one in W.A to name a few W.A politicians and see what answers you get.
Trying to make it all something it isn't, might sound really great to the rusted on from either side, mainstream middle of the road look at what the parties are offering and who is selling it.
Simple really.

 

[IFocus]

If that was true circulation would be increasing, rather than declining, think about it.



No one has bought into anything, the impression I'm getting is most don't really think it should rate a mention.
The only people who seem to buying into it seem to be getting emotional about it, which tends to affect rational thought IMO.


You are the only one here that is implying Albo is weak, so where you are coming from with that remark, is beyond me.


As for the Christian thing, there has been a huge focus on Morrisons Christian beliefs in a derogatory way, how the media thinks focusing on that in a Christian country is a winner, is again beyond me.
With regard the W.A Liberals, they were a one trick pony, Barnett was the Liberal Party in W.A he was the only one with any brains and foresight, when he was gone the Libs were gone nothing to do with Christians IMO.
No one can even remember any W.A Liberal Party politicians, since Barnett has gone.
McGowan and Labor in W.A are of a similar ilk, ask any one in W.A to name a few W.A politicians and see what answers you get.
Trying to make it all something it isn't, might sound really great to the rusted on from either side, mainstream middle of the road look at what the parties are offering and who is selling it.
Simple really.

Hmm put the red wine cask down... ??

Maybe its my poorly worded reply but you missed all the points.

 

[sptrawler]

Hmm put the red wine cask down... ??

Maybe its my poorly worded reply but you missed all the points.

Maybe because they were badly presented, or pointless, or maybe I'm not the one who needs to put the red wine down but I wouldn't be so rude as to suggest that.
Maybe what people say, is more a reflection of their character, than they realise.

 

[basilio]

There is a an article from Saul Griffiths outlining the way both major parties have ignored the nation building and cost saving opportunities around roof top solar and localised energy storage. Some very compelling figures. To cut to the chase an electrified house and car powered by solar/renewable energy would save consumers around $5000 a year. Obviously there is a lot more to the story than the punch line but it should be examined and debated in this election.

The second story backgrounds Saul Griffiths . He is no impractical energy nerd. Many successes and very hard headed.

Australia’s election debate on energy ignores the miracle of rooftop solar​

Saul Griffith


Power harvested from our roofs and stored locally could smash carbon emissions and obliterate household energy bills

‘Through the miracle of rooftop solar, Australian households are already accessing the cheapest energy in the history of humanity.’ Photograph: Dan Himbrechts/AAP
Wed 20 Apr 2022 05.30 BSTLast modified on Wed 20 Apr 2022 05.38 BS

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ignores-the-miracle-of-rooftop-solar#comments
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It is a political tragedy that in this election our energy discussion is still framed around loss and sacrifice when it should be about abundance and opportunity.

Take the current skirmish over Labor’s plan to fast-track new poles and wires with $20bn in federal support to accommodate new large-scale renewable projects. Labor’s modelling indicates the investment will wipe $378 a year from household bills by 2030. The government, on the other hand, asserts that the investment will result in significantly higher energy bills.

Both sides are modelling the wrong thing. They are forgetting half of the energy equation. They are modelling the supply side (where we get energy from) and forgetting the demand side (what we use it for).
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ck-on-labor-energy-policy-is-all-too-familiar

The future is not just swapping big coal for big solar. To get to zero emissions, we have to electrify the demand side and decarbonise supply. Critically this means tripling the amount of clean electricity generated to also power our cars and heat our homes. A smart energy policy would support electrification of our communities. At this stage, both parties could take the lead in this area and should be fighting for the opportunity, given the windfall it will be for their constituents.

Labor misses the point because it has not grasped the potential of electrifying our homes and vehicles, which will drive much greater household energy and cost savings – as much as $5,000 a year by 2030. The Coalition misses the point because it doesn’t model the coming electrification of the demand side where the majority of new electricity demand will be met by more community and rooftop solar, which will be cheaper than the electricity from those transmission lines.

Through the miracle of rooftop solar, Australian households are already accessing the cheapest energy in the history of humanity. Solar is already installed at approximately $1/W of capacity. After financing, that’s around 6c/kWh delivered to you from your rooftop. This is approximately 20% of the price of electricity from the grid. We now just need to let our rooftop and community solar do more. It should also be powering our cars and our heat.

Australia’s election debate on energy ignores the miracle of rooftop solar | Saul Griffith

Power harvested from our roofs and stored locally could smash carbon emissions and obliterate household energy bills

www.theguardian.com

Electric Monaros and hotted-up skateboards : the ‘genius’ who wants to electrify our world

After advising US president Joe Biden on energy, Saul Griffith is back in Australia to declare war on the climate crisis

www.theguardian.com