Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[satanoperca]

Postal voting is subject to fraud baz, end of story. Trump is absolutely correct in this.

Wayne, I am confused by this statement, can you provide some clarity to it. Here are my thoughts, which might assist in the discussion.

Postal Votes: can they be exploited or manipulated - YES
Does the US election need postal votes - YES at the moment due to the so called virus

So if the US and the people who support/nurture/create a good democracy cannot create a system (postal voting) that has a reasonable level of accuracy (lets say 5% of the votes are bull--****), a country that has created incredible tech that we all use, that has kept the relative of world peace (again depends on which country you live in), cannot build a system that is honest and transparent (within a normal tolerance of acceptability), what chance has the rest of the world in delivering a democratic system that is fair to all.

Or, Wayne, I ask you this. If postal voting is subject to fraud, what system would you enact to all the citizens of the USA to vote for their next president?

 

[wayneL]

Wayne, I am confused by this statement, can you provide some clarity to it. Here are my thoughts, which might assist in the discussion.

Postal Votes: can they be exploited or manipulated - YES
Does the US election need postal votes - YES at the moment due to the so called virus

So if the US and the people who support/nurture/create a good democracy cannot create a system (postal voting) that has a reasonable level of accuracy (lets say 5% of the votes are bull--****), a country that has created incredible tech that we all use, that has kept the relative of world peace (again depends on which country you live in), cannot build a system that is honest and transparent (within a normal tolerance of acceptability), what chance has the rest of the world in delivering a democratic system that is fair to all.

Or, Wayne, I ask you this. If postal voting is subject to fraud, what system would you enact to all the citizens of the USA to vote for their next president?

If they can employ technology to make verification possible, then I don't see a problem. My reading says that that is not actually being done however.

I would still like to know how it is that mailing photos would favour Biden, why is that so?

Additionally regarding the Covid situation, we were compelled to vote in the Queensland council elections; mandatory under penalty of fine. They didn't seem to have too much problem with that.

The authorities have come out in the last couple of days and stated that so long as there were precautions in place that they didn't see a problem with voting in person.

Admittedly I'm not 100% across all the technical aspects of all this in the US. But the concern does seem to be voter fraud.

And I do repeat my query, why would mail in favour Biden,?

 

[bellenuit]

Maybe you can explain to me why more mail in voters would support Biden than Trump as opposed to walk-in voters?

One reason is that voting is held on a weekday, which generally means that the voter needs to get time off work to vote. A majority of those who would find it difficult to get off work are in lower paid labour intensive jobs and they tend to vote democrat. Also many are in paid by the hour jobs, so even if they could get off work, they probably cannot afford to. Additionally, even if one could vote outside normal working hours, again many of those who vote Democrat are working 2 if not 3 jobs to make ends meet, so they don't have an "outside working hours" period during voting time.

A second reason that ties in with the above is that in GOP held electoral areas it is not uncommon for the number of polling booths and the number of desks within those booths to be far less in those pockets of the electorate with known high Democrat turnout. This means there will be long queues for those who want to vote in person, again making it difficult for those who only have a short outside work periods to vote. Of particular importance this year is that with COVID-19, the last place people want to be standing for several hours in is in long queues. It is much safer to vote by mail.

Trump know this, so that is why he expects a lot more Democrat voters to vote by mail.

 

[satanoperca]

I would still like to know how it is that mailing photos would favour Biden, why is that so?
And I do repeat my query, why would mail in favour Biden,?

Edited Waynes post.

The answer is NO, how can it preference one candidate more than another?

 

[wayneL]

One reason is that voting is held on a weekday, which generally means that the voter needs to get time off work to vote. A majority of those who would find it difficult to get off work are in lower paid labour intensive jobs and they tend to vote democrat. Also many are in paid by the hour jobs, so even if they could get off work, they probably cannot afford to. Additionally, even if one could vote outside normal working hours, again many of those who vote Democrat are working 2 if not 3 jobs to make ends meet, so they don't have an "outside working hours" period during voting time.

A second reason that ties in with the above is that in GOP held electoral areas it is not uncommon for the number of polling booths and the number of desks within those booths to be far less in those pockets of the electorate with known high Democrat turnout. This means there will be long queues for those who want to vote in person, again making it difficult for those who only have a short outside work periods to vote. Of particular importance this year is that with COVID-19, the last place people want to be standing for several hours in is in long queues. It is much safer to vote by mail.

Trump know this, so that is why he expects a lot more Democrat voters to vote by mail.

All those people are unemployed at the minute mate. It wouldn't take much to take a break from Warcraft or Robinhood, or maybe one less bong for the day, to go and vote.

A case could be made that the individualistic republican voters, in other words the self employed, will likely have less time to vote on a weekday, I know I would.

IOW, a case could equally be made that the opposite is true.

 

[satanoperca]

IOW, a case could equally be made that the opposite is true.

I love this statement, a positive, negative, false positive, positive, positive positive negative and somewhere in between.

 

[IFocus]

Note, Trump has used mail in voting himself..........

 

[IFocus]

Trump supporters

An Analysis of Trump Supporters Has Identified 5 Key Traits
A new report sheds light on the psychological basis for Trump's support.

1. Authoritarian Personality Syndrome
2. Social dominance orientation
3. Prejudice
4. Intergroup contact
5. Relative deprivation

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...supporters-has-identified-5-key-traits?page=1

 

[wayneL]

Trump supporters

An Analysis of Trump Supporters Has Identified 5 Key Traits
A new report sheds light on the psychological basis for Trump's support.

1. Authoritarian Personality Syndrome
2. Social dominance orientation
3. Prejudice
4. Intergroup contact
5. Relative deprivation

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...supporters-has-identified-5-key-traits?page=1

OMG

LMFAO

That's Democommies bro, not Trump supporters.

That is hilarious

 

[satanoperca]

Trump supporters

An Analysis of Trump Supporters Has Identified 5 Key Traits
A new report sheds light on the psychological basis for Trump's support.

1. Authoritarian Personality Syndrome
2. Social dominance orientation
3. Prejudice
4. Intergroup contact
5. Relative deprivation

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...supporters-has-identified-5-key-traits?page=1

Which one are you?

I am curious, they are sound sort of interesting, but find it fascinating that someone has taken the time and energy to try and define groups of people.

I think I might be 5. Relative deprivation, I hate white people.

 

[IFocus]

Which one are you?

I am curious, they are sound sort of interesting, but find it fascinating that someone has taken the time and energy to try and define groups of people.

I think I might be 5. Relative deprivation, I hate white people.

Not sure, self diagnosis is fraught with danger.

Just threw it up there, any objective defence of Trump after he has openly stated he intends to stop votes from the other side using a false pretence, a method he has used himself deserves long scrutiny IMHO.

How did the US get to this point with Trump is beyond extraordinary.

I do wonder should Trump lose the election if Biden would feel Trump got away with it so its open slather to hell with the rules, Constitution, accepted precedent etc.

 

[bellenuit]

I do wonder should Trump lose the election if Biden would feel Trump got away with it so its open slather to hell with the rules, Constitution, accepted precedent etc.

No that would be counter productive. Far better to bring to light all the misdemeanours Trump has done in office and the fact that the GOP turned a blind eye. Trump will face a lot of charges, some of them criminal, and will have little sympathy from the public (perhaps except from the blindest and dumbest of his supporters) if it is seen that he has lied to the American people constantly throughout his term. There is a good chance that with all the exposure, the GOP will be consigned to the sewer to which they rightly belong for a long time. Just doing what Trump has done would lose that once in a lifetime opportunity.

 

[Lucky777]

Not sure if this has been posted but postal elections are not a good option in USA

 

[Knobby22]

No that would be counter productive. Far better to bring to light all the misdemeanours Trump has done in office and the fact that the GOP turned a blind eye. Trump will face a lot of charges, some of them criminal, and will have little sympathy from the public (perhaps except from the blindest and dumbest of his supporters) if it is seen that he has lied to the American people constantly throughout his term. There is a good chance that with all the exposure, the GOP will be consigned to the sewer to which they rightly belong for a long time. Just doing what Trump has done would lose that once in a lifetime opportunity.

I read a very good article, I should find and post it, about the GOP wanting Trump to lose. Obviously they want to retain the Senate so they can block any reforms but they don't want Trump being reelected.

 

[Smurf1976]

To answer the question of the thread title - down the drain.

Literally down the drain.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-...r-complaining-about-flow-20200813-p55l6k.html

 

[Knobby22]

Lol. Might win him a few votes for those of us with thick hair.

 

[dutchie]

Trump should get the Nobel peace prize for the historic Israel and UAE deal.

 

[SirRumpole]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...rother-of-president-donald-trump-dies-aged-71

Donald Trump’s younger brother, Robert Trump, died on Saturday night aged 71 after being hospitalised in New York, the president said in a statement.

The president on Friday visited his brother in hospital after White House officials said Robert had become seriously ill. Officials did not immediately release a cause of death.

Anyone else thinking that maybe covid got him and it's being supressed for political reasons ?

 

[wayneL]

Trump should get the Nobel peace prize for the historic Israel and UAE deal.

He is the wrong colour.

 

[Knobby22]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...rother-of-president-donald-trump-dies-aged-71



Anyone else thinking that maybe covid got him and it's being supressed for political reasons ?

It took a few months and there seems to be complications and he was in his 70s so you would have to rate it a possibility.

Really sad. No one wants to lose their brother and Donald has now lost two. I am sure he is feeling the loss as the rest of the family. A nice guy from all accounts.