Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[sptrawler]

So is actually a hands on President in the US ? What is he actually doing ?
Perhaps very little.

Fire, pestilence and a country at war with itself: the Trump presidency is over
Robert Reich
A pandemic unabated, an economy in meltdown, cities in chaos over police killings. All our supposed leader does is tweet

You’d be forgiven if you hadn’t noticed. His verbal bombshells are louder than ever, but Donald J Trump is no longer president of the United States.

By having no constructive response to any of the monumental crises now convulsing America, Trump has abdicated his office.

He is not governing. He’s golfing, watching cable TV and tweeting.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...irus-pandemic-george-floyd-minneapolis-tweets

I think you pay way to time believing the media Bas, if the American public is pizzed off, they let the Government know as they are doing over the black man's death.
The virus beat up IMO is just that, media hype.
I don't believe Trump will lose any votes over the virus, how he handles this current policing incident, will be much more telling IMO.

 

[noirua]

U.S. Economy Faces Projected 10-Year Recovery From Coronavirus Effects -- 2nd Update
https://uk.advfn.com/stock-market/s...economy-faces-projected-10-year-recovery-from
The U.S. economy could take the better part of a decade to fully recover from the coronavirus pandemic and related shutdowns, a U.S. budget agency said, as a series of surveys pointed to continuing weakness in global manufacturing.

 

[moXJO]

Covid left the news pretty quick.

 

[Smurf1976]

Covid left the news pretty quick.

Doesn't mean it has gone away in the US......

 

[chiff]

Covid left the news pretty quick.

As has Hong Kong.

 

[moXJO]

Doesn't mean it has gone away in the US......

After all those people packed together at protests, God help the.
So much for the lockdown to stop it spreading.

 

[moXJO]

As has Hong Kong.

Iran and China tried to pile on. Unfortunately for China, vids of Chinese beating Africans stopped that b.s..

 

[chiff]

Iran and China tried to pile on. Unfortunately for China, vids of Chinese beating Africans stopped that b.s..

I think there are some crossed wireS here...if you want to start" the treatment of minorities and native peoples'it should be in a new thread.Few countries would survive that scrutiny.
I thought I was saying that the US riots have knocked both Covid and Hong kong out of the news?

 

[moXJO]

I think there are some crossed wireS here...if you want to start" the treatment of minorities and native peoples'it should be in a new thread.Few countries would survive that scrutiny.
I thought I was saying that the US riots have knocked both Covid and Hong kong out of the news?

Accidentally quoted your post. Went a different tangent with the second one.

 

[Knobby22]

I wonder what Trump will do next, holding a Bible in front of a church was fun.

From Fox News:
Moments before 6:30 p.m., just when Trump said he would begin his address, the officers suddenly marched forward, directly confronting the protesters as many held up their hands, saying, “Don’t shoot."

Soon, law enforcement officers were aggressively forcing the protesters back, firing tear gas and deploying flash bangs into the crowd to disperse them from the park for seemingly no reason. It was a jarring scene as police in the nation's capital forcefully cleared young men and women gathered legally in a public park on a sunny evening, all of it on live television.

 

[moXJO]

I wonder what Trump will do next, holding a Bible in front of a church was fun.

From Fox News:
Moments before 6:30 p.m., just when Trump said he would begin his address, the officers suddenly marched forward, directly confronting the protesters as many held up their hands, saying, “Don’t shoot."

Soon, law enforcement officers were aggressively forcing the protesters back, firing tear gas and deploying flash bangs into the crowd to disperse them from the park for seemingly no reason. It was a jarring scene as police in the nation's capital forcefully cleared young men and women gathered legally in a public park on a sunny evening, all of it on live television.

They used smoke, possibly irritants, and pepper balls. Not tear gas.

Peaceful protests are protected under the constitution. Police were in the wrong.
However the Whitehouse was under siege a couple of days ago. You also have officers getting sht and p1ss thrown over them along with all the other tactics the professional protesters use. In turn officers are way to heavy handed in a lot of circumstances.

You then have that idiot de blasio not doing his job. Trump does not run New York, de blasio and Cuomo are in charge. Along with the police chief they all failed the police that were on the ground. You had a city being ransacked and no one coordinating with police on what to do. It was orders on the run. So it ended up a free for all drenched in fear and confusion. I'm surprised more people were not shot.

Then you have the looters.
Racist cops.
Good cops
The commies.
The white supremacists.
The media.
The democrats.
The republicans.

So many vested interests. It's easier just pointing a finger at the top. Regardless of the fact this all kicked off in a historically democrat state with handpicked democrat leaders.

There are so many layers in this riot that the people that need to be heard get drowned out.
It's all political theatre for the upcoming elections.

 

[sptrawler]

So many vested interests. It's easier just pointing a finger at the top. .

It sounds a very familiar ploy the media uses, but IMO it is only resonating with the minority, this could all backfire horribly for the left. Time will tell.

 

[sptrawler]

I wonder what Trump will do next, holding a Bible in front of a church was fun.

From Fox News:
Moments before 6:30 p.m., just when Trump said he would begin his address, the officers suddenly marched forward, directly confronting the protesters as many held up their hands, saying, “Don’t shoot."

Soon, law enforcement officers were aggressively forcing the protesters back, firing tear gas and deploying flash bangs into the crowd to disperse them from the park for seemingly no reason. It was a jarring scene as police in the nation's capital forcefully cleared young men and women gathered legally in a public park on a sunny evening, all of it on live television.

Whenever a President visits anywhere the crowd is held back, as has been shown recently the protesters can become violent, so what would you expect his security detail to do?

Cheering on bad behaviour doesn't allow either side to claim the moral high ground, everyone knows the police will react if the President is threatened, the crowd by putting themselves in danger by doing so makes them look stupid IMO.

Cheering on mobs of protesters, looters, vandals etc, doesn't raise the awareness of the cause, it actually diminishes the integrity of it IMO.

Even the family of the person who was murdered, has called for it to stop, but as usual the loonatics use any excuse to escalate an issue to cover their penchant desire for an audience.

Doing what Bryan Stevenson does, has a far greater message that will resonate with all people, not just the loonies.
Watch the movie 'Just Mercy", Knobby and let me know what you think.
IMO it highlights the issue, far more than chaotic mob violence scenes, it should be compulsory viewing in the U.S.
Just my opinion.

 

[Knobby22]

I don't know, just quoting Fox
Did you see the Channel 7 news get attacked?
Also the local vicar hit by pepper gas.

 

[moXJO]

I
Also the local vicar hit by pepper gas.

Send the nypd to the Vatican you reckon

 

[bellenuit]

Could things be starting to turn ....

Murkowski calls Mattis’s criticism of Trump ‘necessary and overdue.’

This is behind a paywall, so this is the text that goes with it.

Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska on Thursday became the first Republican senator to say she was considering not voting for President Trump, as she endorsed scathing criticism of the president by James Mattis, the former defense secretary.

Ms. Murkowski said the critique by Mr. Mattis on Wednesday, in which he said that Mr. Trump had divided the nation and failed to lead, was overdue and might be a tipping point that would cause Republicans to air concerns about the president that they had only spoken about privately.

Some Republican lawmakers have found fault with the president’shandling of the unrest convulsing the nation, but Ms. Murkowski was the most explicit so far in her support for the comments by Mr. Mattis, a former four-star Marine Corps general.


“I was really thankful,” Ms. Murkowski told reporters on Capitol Hill. “I thought General Mattis’s words were true and honest and necessary and overdue.”

Ms. Murkowski, one of the few Republicans in Congress who has been willing to break publicly with Mr. Trump, added that when she saw the Mattis statement, “I felt like perhaps we’re getting to the point where we can be more honest with the concerns that we might hold internally, and have the courage of our own convictions to speak up.”

Asked whether she could still support Mr. Trump in the coming election, Ms. Murkowski said: “I am struggling with it. I have struggled with it for a long time.”

In his statement, Mr. Mattis said: “Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership.”

 

[basilio]

General Mattis is only the first senior military officer to express his concern about where Trump is taking teh country.

'Slide to illiberalism': ex-general joins chorus of condemnation of Trump
John Allen warns that politicisation of the military could be the beginning of the end of ‘the American experiment’

The retired marine general who led the global coalition against Isis and commanded US forces in Afghanistan has warned that Donald Trump’s actions this week could start a US “ slide into illiberalism” and the beginning of the end of “the American experiment”.

In denouncing the president for his response to the George Floyd protests, John Allen became the latest in a string of venerable military figures to have gone public over what they describe as the threat posed by Trump to the non-political nature of the armed forces, and more broadly to US democracy.

Tensions over the role of the military in responding to the protests have also opened a rift between the president and his defence secretary, Mark Esper, who angered Trump on Wednesday by opposing the threatened use of the 1807 Insurrection Act to deploy troops on US streets.

Allen, now president of the Brookings Institution, also focused his criticism on the president’s threat on Monday to deploy the US military against protesters, and his use of force against a peaceful demonstration outside the White House so that he could be photographed holding a Bible in front of a church.

“The slide of the United States into illiberalism may well have begun on 1 June 2020. Remember the date. It may well signal the beginning of the end of the American experiment,” Allen wrote on the Foreign Policy website.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/04/trump-military-retired-general-john-allen-protest

 

[IFocus]

The US can aford a Trump in good times.........not so much when the going gets tough.

 

[moXJO]

The trend is moving away from trump.
The only thing that could possibly be in his corner is his supporters enthusiasm.
It would take a large proportion of lazy dems to not vote.

Which is why they are pushing the mail in voting. It's also why the republicans are opposed to it. Nothing to do with coronavirus or mail fraud. Simply it will benefit the dems or reps.


I highly doubt trump can win.
But this year has been crazy so far. Who knows what's next.

 

[Knobby22]

I notice some of the hard line Trump supporters here have become a bit quiet.

Trump will heard his sheep through the usual fear tactics but some are starting to think for themselves.

As the coronavirus continues to kill and he does things like that Church stunt, some Republicans are starting to grow balls. They know 4 more years of Trump will be hard to bear.