The ScoMo Government

[sptrawler]

I think the next one will be climate change

I think there will be some interesting things happen between now and the run up to the next election, I have been posting a few articles and my impression is the Government is doing a lot more than people realise.
The media is making a big song and dance about the lack of action on climate change, so it will be very easy for the Government to just roll out the results when it is required, no point in shooting all your ammo before the opposition are in range. IMO
The media is setting itself up to actually help the coalition IMO, because they are constantly crying wolf, my call is they will end up with egg on their faces.
Time will tell.

 

[chiff]

If that is true then the Libs will win again, the last two were about climate change, Libs won both.

Joe Public are so sick of the hysteria that they have switched off, they go to work, they go to the pub, they enjoy themselves...................

Well Clinton had a sign in his office to remind him "it's the economy stupid"

 

[sptrawler]

Looks as though the Federal Government will aim for the zero emissions by 2050.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...o-glasgow-climate-summit-20200209-p53z4b.html
From the article:

Australia will take a new long-term emissions reduction target to November's UN climate summit, as the Morrison government weighs up whether to join more than 80 countries to commit to net zero carbon emissions by 2050.
Mr Taylor said on Sunday the government believed the answer was not a new tax or more bureaucracy but "practical change" driven by science and technology.

"The pathway to meaningful impacts on global emissions is through development and deployment of new technologies," Mr Taylor said.

"That is where Australia can have the biggest impact on reducing global emissions."

He confirmed the government expected to deliver a long-term emissions reduction strategy before the Glasgow summit.

When asked directly about the 2050 target, Mr Morrison said he would "never make a commitment like that if I couldn’t tell the Australian people what it would cost them”.


Mr Taylor and Mr Morrison have continued to declare Australia would "meet and beat" its 2030 Paris targets of reducing emissions by between 26 to 28 per cent on 2005 levels, potentially without using Kyoto carryover credits.

The government is also close to finalising its draft Technology Investment Roadmap, which it says will set a framework for investment priorities in emissions-reducing technologies over the short term (to 2022), medium term (to 2030) and long term (to 2050).

 

[Humid]

If that is true then the Libs will win again, the last two were about climate change, Libs won both.

Joe Public are so sick of the hysteria that they have switched off, they go to work, they go to the pub, they enjoy themselves...................

And then there were a couple of fires

 

[macca]

And then there were a couple of fires

In places where the locals have been screaming for years,
"burn the bloody stuff off in winter"
"we told you this would happen"
"city bound know it all, know nothings caused this and people and millions of animals died on the altar of their green ideology"

Exactly what I said before, Joe Public know that all this hysteria is coming from those safe in the city in their little first world echo chamber.

Meanwhile the lifters go to work to pay their bills, they don't have time to glue themselves to the road or stop other people earning a living

 

[Humid]

In places where the locals have been screaming for years,
"burn the bloody stuff off in winter"
"we told you this would happen"
"city bound know it all, know nothings caused this and people and millions of animals died on the altar of their green ideology"

Exactly what I said before, Joe Public know that all this hysteria is coming from those safe in the city in their little first world echo chamber.

Meanwhile the lifters go to work to pay their bills, they don't have time to glue themselves to the road or stop other people earning a living

That depends on where you get your news from
Would you like to divulge your source

I’ve read arguments from both sides of the fires
Nothing personal but quoting Macca from Aussie stock forums probably won’t cut the mustard in my group of friends

 

[macca]

That depends on where you get your news from
Would you like to divulge your source

I’ve read arguments from both sides of the fires
Nothing personal but quoting Macca from Aussie stock forums probably won’t cut the mustard in my group of friends

You need to get out of the echo chamber,

sources are the TV news, the newspapers, online, RFS members, NSW full time firies, all saying the same damn thing as the last 50 government enquiries in every state that has had bad fires.

We live next door to 20 acres of bush, it has not been burnt for 35 years, the owners have been trying to burn/slash/clear for the past 10 years but the council won't let them.

We had an arsonist light it over Xmas, while the firies were here we told them of the problem and they said we know all about it, it is very hard to get permission.

The very minimum hazard reduction required is 10% per annum, 20% near populated areas is desirable (and sensible)

To have a bad fire we need three things, heat, wind and fuel, we cannot control the first two but we can have a huge amount of control over the last one.

Cold burns in winter are easily controlled, create a safety buffer should we have a summer fire in the unburnt sections and protect our wildlife from the holocausts that happened this summer.

The aboriginals have lived here for 50,000 years without helicopters, water bombers, fire trucks etc etc, the Only way they survived was to create safety areas by burning in a patchwork fashion throughout their tribal area.

One tribal elder told me that around here they used to burn three times a year, wind dependent, to the lake, to the ocean and to the river, approx 200 people lived here so they had to monitor it closely

As every enquiry has said, we must do the same, this bloke explains it well

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/fires-not-due-to-climate-change-expert

 

[chiff]

You need to get out of the echo chamber,

sources are the TV news, the newspapers, online, RFS members, NSW full time firies, all saying the same damn thing as the last 50 government enquiries in every state that has had bad fires.

We live next door to 20 acres of bush, it has not been burnt for 35 years, the owners have been trying to burn/slash/clear for the past 10 years but the council won't let them.

We had an arsonist light it over Xmas, while the firies were here we told them of the problem and they said we know all about it, it is very hard to get permission.

The very minimum hazard reduction required is 10% per annum, 20% near populated areas is desirable (and sensible)

To have a bad fire we need three things, heat, wind and fuel, we cannot control the first two but we can have a huge amount of control over the last one.

Cold burns in winter are easily controlled, create a safety buffer should we have a summer fire in the unburnt sections and protect our wildlife from the holocausts that happened this summer.

The aboriginals have lived here for 50,000 years without helicopters, water bombers, fire trucks etc etc, the Only way they survived was to create safety areas by burning in a patchwork fashion throughout their tribal area.

One tribal elder told me that around here they used to burn three times a year, wind dependent, to the lake, to the ocean and to the river, approx 200 people lived here so they had to monitor it closely

As every enquiry has said, we must do the same, this bloke explains it well

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/fires-not-due-to-climate-change-expert

I read yesterday that one thing that the aboriginals did not do was to live in the forests during summer ....Europeans are not that smart!

 

[IFocus]

Hopefully there will be an RC with a wide enough scope to examine all the issues.

Reducing the argument to fuel reduction won't solve the problem long term and I suspect it won't be in the top 3, it is a factor and a big one worthy of close examination / plus requires flexibility in decision making that currently does not appear to be the case.

But unfortunately quickly loses importance in 40 degree plus heat and high winds, this is the future unfortunately.

It has been a handy diversion for politics along with arson which was responsible for 8% of the burnt areas.

Things have changed dramatically from 50,000 years ago.

Higher populations live in the bush a dramatic change just in the last 20 to 30 years alone with little or no changes in building standards, fire protection systems and independent water and power supplies.

Haven't seen one house burnt down that had a roof sprinkler system and the ones that did were connected to scheme water which fail as soon as the power goes off.

Here in WA had a drive through the Parkerville / Stoneville areas where catastrophic fires shedded the communities. Houses have been rebuilt in the exactly same spots with in the same jarrah forested areas but now a whole lot drier ready to go boom again.

This just doesn't work.

Please note a 50 meter clearance around your home in low density fuel areas wont save your home or lives, plenty of footage both Eastern States and WA showing houses burning with bugger all trees, scrub around. If you have a forest alongside you or trees within 30 meters that can flare into your house then you have no hope.

The Eastern States have experienced drier conditions and lower humidity levels similar to what's been happening in WA for the last 30 years.

When rain forest, swamp lands and marshes burn then I suspect there isn't a whole lot you can do other than restrict building or living in fire risk areas.

I think longer term insurance costs will decide where people build homes.

To be honest I think losing the environment longer term the one that supports food production and the like is a bigger problem that's before you get to extinction of animal species.

 

[IFocus]

How much to buy a miracle election

Coalition’s “miracle” election win claim under fire as more rorts surface

The Coalition’s claimed “miracle” election win is looking decidedly hollow as more rorts surface in the media. Senator Bridget McKenzie took one for the team over the #sportsrorts and resigned her ministry. Jommy Tee uncovers yet another whopper — the Regional Growth Fund.


https://www.michaelwest.com.au/coal...-surface/?mc_cid=36a55a1ba6&mc_eid=7935c92ad0

 

[PZ99]

Maybe the polls were right after all

 

[qldfrog]

That depends on where you get your news from
Would you like to divulge your source

I’ve read arguments from both sides of the fires
Nothing personal but quoting Macca from Aussie stock forums probably won’t cut the mustard in my group of friends

What about sources like: where I live? outside the CBD and suburbia, the places which do actually burn?
you know, not their ABC or the latest Green pamphlet...

 

[sptrawler]

Maybe the polls were right after all

We will definitely find out next election.

 

[SirRumpole]

We will definitely find out next election.

Have you noticed that any mention of polls has been absent from the media recently ?

At least in the media I read.

 

[sptrawler]

Have you noticed that any mention of polls has been absent from the media recently ?

At least in the media I read.

That's true, now they just make statements like "large numbers think", a large group of protesters etc, maybe they are thinking they turned the electorate by over doing the polls?
I think Labor are being very smart keeping their heads down, the Coalition are getting plenty of flack, without Labor getting involved.
It makes a change from the past where every politician wanted to be a film star, so they would take any opportunity to get in front of a camera or microphone, then usually make absolute dicks of themselves.
I'm impressed with Albo up to now, we will have to see how he performs, closer to the election.

 

[SirRumpole]

That's true, now they just make statements like "large numbers think", a large group of protesters etc, maybe they are thinking they turned the electorate by over doing the polls?
I think Labor are being very smart keeping their heads down, the Coalition are getting plenty of flack, without Labor getting involved.
It makes a change from the past where every politician wanted to be a film star, so they would take any opportunity to get in front of a camera or microphone, then usually make absolute dicks of themselves.
I'm impressed with Albo up to now, we will have to see how he performs, closer to the election.

I think the polling companies themselves are keeping their heads down and are trying to figure out how they screwed up so badly. Or maybe they didn't and people just changed their minds on the day. I would not like to be Ipsos or Roy Morgan trying to work out that one out.

 

[Humid]

What about sources like: where I live? outside the CBD and suburbia, the places which do actually burn?
you know, not their ABC or the latest Green pamphlet...

https://www.smh.com.au/national/thi...about-the-nsw-mega-fires-20191110-p5395e.html

So is this bloke credible?

 

[Smurf1976]

Joe Public are so sick of the hysteria that they have switched off, they go to work, they go to the pub, they enjoy themselves...................

As someone who's long been involved with the issue, I find it somewhat amazing that we've had the subject of how to generate electricity and the related subject of emissions and climate change as a consistent theme dominating politics for over a decade which has played a significant role in the downfall of multiple PM's and yet the average person would still struggle to explain the issues in a factual, politically neutral manner.

I could go to the mall or most central train station in any capital city tomorrow and ask random members of the public a few questions about it. Just simple stuff like what % of Australia's energy comes from coal or even really basic stuff like which states produce what forms of energy. Reality is that a lot are going to struggle to come anywhere close to giving a factually correct answer.

That's not me putting myself or anyone else on a pedestal, there are plenty of subjects which I know absolutely nothing about, but given this one's been such a dominant theme of political debate for such an extended period it really hasn't achieved much.

At least during previous tense political debate, for example the first time the GST was proposed was one such example or for a more directly related one the great dams debate in Tasmania 40 years ago or the various debates about uranium mining, most people could at least state the facts of what was being argued about regardless of which side they were on.

I find it simply bizarre really. An issue that's been around for over a decade almost constantly, which has played at least some role in the demise of 4 Prime Ministers and yet the average person seems to struggle to get their mind around it at even a very basic level.

 

[sptrawler]

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I find it simply bizarre really. An issue that's been around for over a decade almost constantly, which has played at least some role in the demise of 4 Prime Ministers and yet the average person seems to struggle to get their mind around it at even a very basic level.

I think it is due to the fact the media don't want the debate to be factual, it is much easier to drive the agenda and keep the issue percolating, if the general public is kept in the dark it is easy headlines.
It would be quite simple to explain the issue in laymans terms, but then how would the media whip up the emotion, when in reality it is a time based issue that will be worked through.
It sounds as though there are quite a few groups looking at the long term issues, maybe when it is released, the media will have to direct their reporting more to the crux of the issue, rather than generalised innuendo and posturing.

 

[SirRumpole]

I find it simply bizarre really. An issue that's been around for over a decade almost constantly, which has played at least some role in the demise of 4 Prime Ministers and yet the average person seems to struggle to get their mind around it at even a very basic level.

Trouble is the only people you really hear talking about this stuff is politicians and they themselves know diddly squat about the real issues ;ie the technical feasibility of their blue sky dreams that they come up with which in a lot of cases are impractical, too expensive or just won't work.

Alan Finkel gave a good speech on this today at the Press Club (dumbed down quite a bit as he was talking to journalists after all), but very few people other than journos would get to see it unless they are really keen on the subject.

So the great Australian public are generally being so bamboozled by political bs that they have given up , and they just pray that someone, somehow will get it right in the end.