Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[wayneL]

Talk about altered reality ...
\5 Law professors of who 4 ... found undeniable cause for impeachment ...

In fact 7 witness's who testified ... ONE ... Sondaland .. who admitted it was QUID PRO ... and they all were in on it ... Trump VP Pence ... Pompeo ... two others.

And I read this thread, a person admitting guilt ... in fact 7 ... and still a debate ? Aid was with held from a nation who was invaded by Russia unless an investigation was launched into the leading 2020 Democratic contender.

Its pretty simple ... or so I thought along with 4 very senior professors and even the 5th on the second count or obstruction waved the white flag that this had occurred.

Of course in the corrupt USA law and justice and rule of law matters for nil.
It matters for Nil till it does matter.

I know that I have zero idea of the future other than 2020 will be nuttier than 2019 and 2018 added together.

The Stock market and CEO;'s and billionaires have already voted and Warren has no change in 2020 according to them, Sanders even less ....

Strange but with Sanders hitting 5 million individual donations and 1 million people as volunteers I sadly think they are underestimating that everyone has one single power in the USA. The power to vote. That 120 million people have medical debts, 25% of people delay buying medication and 7 million MORE lost any form of health cover in 2019, I suspect he has some chance.

I could run through most of the USA reported economics and do the same.

Two weeks ago China actually banned all USA software by 2024 after doing the same for all USA made computers and chips .... and the market ? It rallied.

Let them bring it on then. Why are they stalling?

 

[kahuna1]

Since the fossil ... GOP head of the senate declared he will be taking all instructions from the White House and intends NOT to be an impartial Judge ...

To delay ... is to annoy ... and that is about the value of this process other than Trump was impeached.
He will not be ejected ... but impeached for good cause.

Trump can pretend ... he wasn't but Nixon was a saint compared to him.

 

[bellenuit]

FFS I have to do all the work around here!



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Well, there we have it then and I was correct.

Perhaps it is the difference between understanding what is a legitimate action by Biden and an illegitimate action by the president. Do you know the difference?

As Goldman said in that video, Biden was acting in pursuant of official government policy. The action he took was supported by congress, including many from the GOP, and was also supported by other government leaders. There is nothing wrong with withholding foreign aid or assistance to another country if that country does not comply with what you want it to do. In fact that is what you would expect your government to do. That is also why Biden did not in anyway try to hide what was being done and not one GOP member at the time raised any concern. Why should they, they supported the move. They were trying to rid Ukraine of a corrupt official, who was preventing Ukraine cleaning up its act.

What Trump did was unconstitutional. He took action in direct contravention of a congressional decision (to give aid to Ukraine) purely for personal political gain. He and his inner circle were so sure that this was not right that they took every effort to hide what had been done and are doing everything within their power to prevent evidence related to the issue being revealed. The quid quo pro was against the national interest and aided a prime enemy of the US, Russia. The sole intent was to smear Biden and even though they now try to retrofit the reason as being to clean up corruption, they have enlisted those very same corrupt people to help their cause.

You should really read up with what Trump has been impeached for, before you start making claims that Biden has done the same thing. Demanding Quid Pro Quo per se is not a crime or even a wrongdoing of any sort. It is the reason that the Quid Pro Quo is being used that makes the use of it right or wrong and the fact that you cannot discern the difference is a poor reflection on you.

And just a final point. Biden did not confess to a crime as you claim.

 

[moXJO]

Talk about altered reality ...
\5 Law professors of who 4 ... found undeniable cause for impeachment ...

In fact 7 witness's who testified ... ONE ... Sondaland .. who admitted it was QUID PRO ... and they all were in on it ... Trump VP Pence ... Pompeo ... two others.

And I read this thread, a person admitting guilt ... in fact 7 ... and still a debate ? Aid was with held from a nation who was invaded by Russia unless an investigation was launched into the leading 2020 Democratic contender.

Its pretty simple ... or so I thought along with 4 very senior professors and even the 5th on the second count or obstruction waved the white flag that this had occurred.

Of course in the corrupt USA law and justice and rule of law matters for nil.
It matters for Nil till it does matter.

I know that I have zero idea of the future other than 2020 will be nuttier than 2019 and 2018 added together.

The Stock market and CEO;'s and billionaires have already voted and Warren has no change in 2020 according to them, Sanders even less ....

Strange but with Sanders hitting 5 million individual donations and 1 million people as volunteers I sadly think they are underestimating that everyone has one single power in the USA. The power to vote. That 120 million people have medical debts, 25% of people delay buying medication and 7 million MORE lost any form of health cover in 2019, I suspect he has some chance.

I could run through most of the USA reported economics and do the same.

Two weeks ago China actually banned all USA software by 2024 after doing the same for all USA made computers and chips .... and the market ? It rallied.

3 hand picked by democrat law professors found him impeachable the 4th Republican picked one said no. If it was 3 hand picked by Republican then the number would be reversed.
That's how it actually went down in democrats sham trial.

Abraham Lincoln under the current dems would be impeached.

 

[basilio]

Perhaps it is the difference between understanding what is a legitimate action by Biden and an illegitimate action by the president. Do you know the difference?

Nice succinct summary.

But so what ? In which current reality does the Trump thrall recognize such an obvious difference between using economic and political leverage to advance clear government policies vs a President using his dodgy mate to force another country to create make believe charges against his political opponent ?

It will be interesting to see how the Supreme Court Justice John Roberts handles any Senate trial. I suspect (would hope) he would want to preside over a trial that did observe legal processes.

 

[moXJO]

Well, there we have it then and I was correct.

Perhaps it is the difference between understanding what is a legitimate action by Biden and an illegitimate action by the president. Do you know the difference?

As Goldman said in that video, Biden was acting in pursuant of official government policy. The action he took was supported by congress, including many from the GOP, and was also supported by other government leaders. There is nothing wrong with withholding foreign aid or assistance to another country if that country does not comply with what you want it to do. In fact that is what you would expect your government to do. That is also why Biden did not in anyway try to hide what was being done and not one GOP member at the time raised any concern. Why should they, they supported the move. They were trying to rid Ukraine of a corrupt official, who was preventing Ukraine cleaning up its act.

What Trump did was unconstitutional. He took action in direct contravention of a congressional decision (to give aid to Ukraine) purely for personal political gain. He and his inner circle were so sure that this was not right that they took every effort to hide what had been done and are doing everything within their power to prevent evidence related to the issue being revealed. The quid quo pro was against the national interest and aided a prime enemy of the US, Russia. The sole intent was to smear Biden and even though they now try to retrofit the reason as being to clean up corruption, they have enlisted those very same corrupt people to help their cause.

You should really read up with what Trump has been impeached for, before you start making claims that Biden has done the same thing. Demanding Quid Pro Quo per se is not a crime or even a wrongdoing of any sort. It is the reason that the Quid Pro Quo is being used that makes the use of it right or wrong and the fact that you cannot discern the difference is a poor reflection on you.

And just a final point. Biden did not confess to a crime as you claim.

Quid with no pro is not a crime. The case against Trump is very very thin.
Good luck with it, but I'd say I'll be rubbing it in people's noses in 6 months time when dems web of bs comes undone again.

 

[moXJO]

Ukraine Wants to Probe the Company That Paid Hunter Biden. But It's 'Too Sensitive'

https://time.com/5733799/ukraine-fears-burisma-probe-trump-hunter-biden-fallout/




Hunter Biden is a reminder: Democrats are morally corrupt, too

One of the peculiar stupidities of the American political mind is its resolute refusal to hold two separate ideas at once. Our dominant political narrative is like a Choose-Your-Own-Adventure book for morons, offering only a conservative red storyline or a liberal blue storyline, with nothing in between or outside those primary color bounds. Politicians themselves, out of self-interest, adhere to this narrative, which makes the political press adhere to the narrative, and before you know it you have an entire country that thinks about the ethical complexities of political economy with all the nuance of a Florida Gators fan hollering about why the Georgia Bulldogs are bad.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp...unter-biden-democrats-joe-biden-ukraine-trump

This article sums up this thread to a degree

 

[kahuna1]

Even this is clouded ....

USA policy was and is to aid Ukraine .... this BS about corruption or rooting it out was the total opposite of reality and what occurred. The corrupt prosecutor Biden refused to deal with was ejected years ago ..

All of this ... facts ... lost in a snowstorm of total BS and lack of reality.
Both Houses of USA govt voted to provide military aid to Ukraine ...

Delaying of obstructing and the n denying your blocking it ... then releasing it when caught ... is the crux of the issue. Then refusing to co-operate as it was investigated ... ordering White house stff to refuse the elected officials.

What a mess... USA will never be the same . In the eyes of the rest of the world the actions of the last 2 years have been astounding, tearing up deals and then claiming victory when a new identical deal is done ?

Cutting the tax rate for corp orates in the USA in HALF and 91 paid no tax of the top 500 and 391 others paid it at 11% .... the 91 who paid NO tax earnt 120 billion in profits and amazingly received close to 3 billion in tax refunds!!

Its a strange place ... Amazon 11 billion profits .... NOT A CENT paid in tax ... and 129 million tax refund.

We have a three billionaires ... running to be president and there are only 600 of them out of 325 million other people in the USA.

 

[wayneL]

Well, there we have it then and I was correct.

Perhaps it is the difference between understanding what is a legitimate action by Biden and an illegitimate action by the president. Do you know the difference?

As Goldman said in that video, Biden was acting in pursuant of official government policy. The action he took was supported by congress, including many from the GOP, and was also supported by other government leaders. There is nothing wrong with withholding foreign aid or assistance to another country if that country does not comply with what you want it to do. In fact that is what you would expect your government to do. That is also why Biden did not in anyway try to hide what was being done and not one GOP member at the time raised any concern. Why should they, they supported the move. They were trying to rid Ukraine of a corrupt official, who was preventing Ukraine cleaning up its act.

What Trump did was unconstitutional. He took action in direct contravention of a congressional decision (to give aid to Ukraine) purely for personal political gain. He and his inner circle were so sure that this was not right that they took every effort to hide what had been done and are doing everything within their power to prevent evidence related to the issue being revealed. The quid quo pro was against the national interest and aided a prime enemy of the US, Russia. The sole intent was to smear Biden and even though they now try to retrofit the reason as being to clean up corruption, they have enlisted those very same corrupt people to help their cause.

You should really read up with what Trump has been impeached for, before you start making claims that Biden has done the same thing. Demanding Quid Pro Quo per se is not a crime or even a wrongdoing of any sort. It is the reason that the Quid Pro Quo is being used that makes the use of it right or wrong and the fact that you cannot discern the difference is a poor reflection on you.

And just a final point. Biden did not confess to a crime as you claim.

Okay like I said before, bring it on then...and we'll see whose reflection is reflecting poorly

 

[moXJO]

Here's a story on what went down way back in 2017. Pretty much lead to all the b.s. we see today.

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found.
During Nalyvaichenko’s trip to Washington last month, he detected lingering ill will toward Ukraine from some, and lack of interest from others, he recalled. “Ukraine is not on the top of the list, not even the middle,” he said.

Poroshenko’s allies are scrambling to figure out how to build a relationship with Trump, who is known for harboring and prosecuting grudges for years.

Dems kicked the grubby little ball rolling. Trump delaying aid could have been for a few reasons a few that were verifiable were:

Pettiness over the election stunt by Ukraine. Trump is a petty ahole, that's a proven.


Wanting Europe to stump up some money as it's in their backyard and their interest.

Not wanting to waste the money on corrupt officials that started all the Russian b.s. in the first place.

 

[explod]

Here's a story on what went down way back in 2017. Pretty much lead to all the b.s. we see today.

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

Dems kicked the grubby little ball rolling. Trump delaying aid could have been for a few reasons a few that were verifiable were:

Pettiness over the election stunt by Ukraine. Trump is a petty ahole, that's a proven.


Wanting Europe to stump up some money as it's in their backyard and their interest.

Not wanting to waste the money on corrupt officials that started all the Russian b.s. in the first place.

Yep, spot on, no one bothered to take in my post at all yesterday. Most only want to believe in what they like, not the real facts.

It's a thread that you all need to move on from. The whole thing is political b...shite fighting.​

 

[kahuna1]

Iran ... yet again ...

Iraq ... already in turmoil ,,, so lets kill a miita leader from Iraq who was instrumental in stopping ISIS.

Last year, Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi issued an order aimed at strengthening government control over militia units, which have gained new military and political clout since 2014 because of their instrumental role in battling the Islamic State.

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iranian Major-General Qassem Soleimani, head of the elite Quds Force, and Iraqi militia commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis were killed early on Friday in an air strike on their convoy at Baghdad airport, an Iraqi militia spokesman told Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-s-air-strike-militia-spokesman-idUSKBN1Z11K8

Nothing like a war to distract everyone.

 

[moXJO]

Iran ... yet again ...

Iraq ... already in turmoil ,,, so lets kill a miita leader from Iraq who was instrumental in stopping ISIS.

Last year, Iraqi Prime Minister Adel Abdul Mahdi issued an order aimed at strengthening government control over militia units, which have gained new military and political clout since 2014 because of their instrumental role in battling the Islamic State.

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iranian Major-General Qassem Soleimani, head of the elite Quds Force, and Iraqi militia commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis were killed early on Friday in an air strike on their convoy at Baghdad airport, an Iraqi militia spokesman told Reuters.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-s-air-strike-militia-spokesman-idUSKBN1Z11K8

Nothing like a war to distract everyone.

Odds on Trump not getting into the war. So far he has avoided conflict when others wanted him to bomb the sht out of people. He just "sanctions" up

Iranian govt deserves to be wiped from the planet though.

 

[Knobby22]

I think it will depend on how the election is going.

 

[moXJO]

I think it will depend on how the election is going.

I think times have changed. Trump resists conventional warfare. Sanctions and public uprisings are his go to.

 

[basilio]

Donald Trump is breaking new grounds with his threats to obliterate Iranian cultural treasures if there is any retaliation for the assassination of General Qassem Soleimani and Iraqi militia commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis.

It is a war crime to target these treasures. Check out what Don Trump is holding as hostage in case there is blowback to his assassination regime.

Here's what could be lost if Trump bombs Iran's cultural treasures

https://www.theguardian.com/artandd...-iranian-cultural-treasures-targeted-by-trump


Iran
Donald Trump’s belligerent threats to Iran’s cultural sites are grotesque
Simon Jenkins
The war crimes proposed by the US president would only strengthen his enemy’s clerical regime
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...reat-iran-cultural-sites-grotesque-war-crimes

 

[wayneL]

Donald Trump is breaking new grounds with his threats to obliterate Iranian cultural treasures if there is any retaliation for the assassination of General Qassem Soleimani and Iraqi militia commander Abu Mahdi al-Muhandis.

It is a war crime to target these treasures. Check out what Don Trump is holding as hostage in case there is blowback to his assassination regime.

Here's what could be lost if Trump bombs Iran's cultural treasures

https://www.theguardian.com/artandd...-iranian-cultural-treasures-targeted-by-trump


Iran
Donald Trump’s belligerent threats to Iran’s cultural sites are grotesque
Simon Jenkins
The war crimes proposed by the US president would only strengthen his enemy’s clerical regime
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...reat-iran-cultural-sites-grotesque-war-crimes

Your language makes it sound like you support the Iranian regime and all that comes with that, along with their state sponsored terrorist activities, Komrade Basilovski?

 

[basilio]

How the US starts wars.

Trump’s Deja Vu Wartime Playbook
By Dr. Jack Rasmus
Global Research, January 06, 2020
Region: USA
Theme: History, US NATO War Agenda

History repeats itself, as they say. But in the age of American empire, not just twice. Or even three times. But with disturbing regularity.

The past half century shows two things about how America goes to war:

First, it creates a provocation based on a lie. Second, it then makes its target adversary an ‘offer they can only refuse’, as the final justification for US military action once the adversary rejects the unacceptable offer.

Here’s how it has worked in the past half century–a playbook to war that Trump is now clearly following in the case of Iran with his recent ordered assassination of that country’s general and government diplomat.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/trump...urce=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

 

[sptrawler]

Pre Trump, the media wanted the U.S out of the middle east.
Last year Trump said he would withdraw the troops and the media said he was leaving them in the lurch.
Now the middle east want the troops out and the media isn't happy.
I can understand, how those who sing to the media song book, are having trouble remembering the words.

 

[IFocus]

Pre Trump, the media wanted the U.S out of the middle east.
Last year Trump said he would withdraw the troops and the media said he was leaving them in the lurch.
Now the middle east want the troops out and the media isn't happy.
I can understand, how those who sing to the media song book, are having trouble remembering the words.

I think you missed a lot of context and a few nuances there SP but hey its fits the Trump narrative "fake news".........except Fox that is