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Logique said:
They may even call the date this weekend.
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If one thing's abundantly clear it's that at this point in time "it's over".

It's like a group of guys standing around on the dance floor of club whatever at 5am on Sunday morning just waiting to be kicked out so the staff can lock the place up and go home.

It's pointless. Anything that was going to happen has happened already and nothing good's going to happen now.

Sooner they call an end to it, the better. :2twocents
 
If there is ever a party that says- actually we're going pretty good, we're not going to do much new at all except wind back the pork barelling and stupid **** that's been done to pander to minor activists, they'd get my vote.
 
wayneL said:
If there is ever a party that says- actually we're going pretty good, we're not going to do much new at all except wind back the pork barelling and stupid **** that's been done to pander to minor activists, they'd get my vote.
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I think I have a name for such a party.
Conservative.
 
SirRumpole said:
The Conservatives are winding back pork barrelling ?
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I'm talking about an imaginary construct.
A political party that, as the name suggest, acts conservatively.
That means they prefer to leave existing policies in place and only make changes slowly after careful thought. Entirely theoretical of course though I believe Britain may have had something like that in the 19th century.
 
Libs were so bad on so many levels that they deserve to be thrown out hard. However I like labor even less.

In saying that I think labors "cancer payments" will be a vote winner.

I hope there is a bit more scrutiny on the medical side. I know a lot of patients going to Thailand for successful treatment after being told they were going to die by Australian doctors and there is nothing else they can do.
 
moXJO said:
Libs were so bad on so many levels that they deserve to be thrown out hard. However I like labor even less.

In saying that I think labors "cancer payments" will be a vote winner.

I hope there is a bit more scrutiny on the medical side. I know a lot of patients going to Thailand for successful treatment after being told they were going to die by Australian doctors and there is nothing else they can do.
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You have to give Labor credit for making a policy out of something that people don't want to talk about but urgently needs addressing.

That takes political guts imo and shows that they are focussed on the real needs of the community rather than trying to window dress the economy which has little to do with the government anyway.

I don't think the Coalition has any real selling points any more. Their opposition the banking RC, their failed energy policies, and their internal divisions will kill them in the electorate.

The election campaign should be as short as possible, there is no point dragging it out.
 
SirRumpole said:
You have to give Labor credit for making a policy out of something that people don't want to talk about but urgently needs addressing.

That takes political guts imo and shows that they are focussed on the real needs of the community rather than trying to window dress the economy which has little to do with the government anyway.

I don't think the Coalition has any real selling points any more. Their opposition the banking RC, their failed energy policies, and their internal divisions will kill them in the electorate.

The election campaign should be as short as possible, there is no point dragging it out.
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I thought it was a brilliant strategy.

Liberals have brought in some of the most draconian breeches of privacy that I won't vote for them just off that issue.
I am happy with certain aspects of the economy.

I still couldn't bring myself to vote labor. Too many policies they can walk away from. Or that I disagree with.
 
And when you think it can't get any worse for the Liberals. .... it does. Coming up on 4 Corners

Tony Abbott attended re-election fundraiser at fugitive Chinese tycoon's golf club
Key points
  • Tony Abbott attended two events at the Twin Creeks golf club, which is run by Chinese moguls with ties to the Communist Party
  • One event was a fundraiser for Mr Abbott's re-election campaign
  • In 2015 ASIO warned Mr Abbott that businessmen with ties to the CCP were seeking to influence Australian politics
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04...sted-by-communist-party-linked-mogul/10962224
 
Knobby22 said:
Tony Abbott has many faults however no one believes he is a stooge for the Chinese.
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The point is that the Liberal Party $40k from this fund raiser. What are the optics of accepting a $40k political donation from a fugitive Chines casino owner with very close ties to the Chinese Communist Party.

Check the story.
 
I see they held one for Kevin Rudd also. Raised $260,000.
They both attended because of the Chinese community. I am sure they both were acting in the best of faith. Looks like a beat up.
 
Knobby22 said:
I see they held one for Kevin Rudd also. Raised $260,000.
They both attended because of the Chinese community. I am sure they both were acting in the best of faith. Looks like a beat up.
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If ever I had a wish, it would be for the end of beat ups and muck raking, from all sides.

The US just wasted nearly three years on one such misadventure (among others), meanwhile, it detracted from more useful debate, destroyed mdia reputations and ratings, and escalated division in the community.

By all means let's nail genuine corruption, but its high time this crap just... STOPPED.
 
wayneL said:
If ever I had a wish, it would be for the end of beat ups and muck raking, from all sides.

The US just wasted nearly three years on one such misadventure (among others), meanwhile, it detracted from more useful debate, destroyed mdia reputations and ratings, and escalated division in the community.

By all means let's nail genuine corruption, but its high time this crap just... STOPPED.
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The best way to do that is to reform the donation laws.

Donations from registered voters only, capped at $3,000 a year should do it.

The rest of their expenses taxpayer funded to a reasonable limit.
 
SirRumpole said:
The best way to do that is to reform the donation laws.

Donations from registered voters only, capped at $3,000 a year should do it.

The rest of their expenses taxpayer funded to a reasonable limit.
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Which is why both parties agreed to new legislation outlawing foreign donations. The story on the ABC website makes it clear the Chinese Communist party set out to influence both Labour and Liberal Parties through donations.
 
wayneL said:
The US just wasted nearly three years on one such misadventure (among others), meanwhile, it detracted from more useful debate, destroyed mdia reputations and ratings, and escalated division in the community.
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Mueller was appointed in May of 2017, and indicted, convicted or got guilty pleas from 34 people and three companies, including top advisers to President Trump, Russian spies and hackers with ties to the Kremlin.
Not one of Trump's principal advisors is any longer in place.
Former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to investigators - such is the quality of people that Trump chooses.
You call that a "misadventure". The diving judges are wondering if Trump's summersaults deserve a perfect 10.
Finally, Mueller's Report is not yet available, so it's a bit previous to think the dust has settled.
 
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