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This is a typical example of political interference and dumb ar$e statements, for political mileage.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/labor...ign=tile-3&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=smh

At this point in time the logistics of even being able to supply large volumes of electric vehicles isn't known, let alone any future problems that do arise with the large scale uptake, but hey we are going to have 50% by 2030.
Politicians are dicks. IMO
 
bellenuit said:
What is taking off, particularly in Europe and China, is micro-mobility: electric bicycles and the like. I have read figures that suggest that there are 10 of these category of vehicle sold for every electric car.



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Excellent observation, well made Bellenuit. I'm seeing more and more e-bikes around the place. They're fantastic for local commuting, and there are more and more bicycle tracks being built by local government.
 
PZ99 said:
Bill Shorten / NRMA want people to throw $50K down this toilet ?

Great for a place like King Island - a bloody joke on the mainland.
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Ultimately it's very simple.

28% of fossil fuel use is in transport, 40% is in electricity. I've posted a lot of details and statistics about this in the energy thread.

If we're going to cut emissions substantially and have 45% or 50% renewable energy as per the political promises then quite simply electricity can't do the whole lot of the task, especially in the context of rising fuel use in the transport sector as has been the trend. That leaves really only three options:

1. Population reduction

2. Transport cannot continue with almost total reliance on petroleum fuels using present technology

3. Simply scale back the use of transport

Simple as that really and the rest is detail although I'll note that option 2 is the only one likely to be even remotely palatable politically so there's not a lot of choice.

That leaves the choice for government as whether to favour hydrogen or electric vehicles, or to take a neutral stance and see where the manufacturers go.

Another approach, and one I see a lot of merit in, is to simply legislate an emissions cap on the basis of a manufacturer's total sales. That doesn't preclude someone still selling a V12 just so long as they sell a lot of EV's to keep the average within the cap. That approach has been used successfully in the US, albeit with lesser targets, but as a concept it seems workable and is technology neutral in terms of how to achieve it. :2twocents
 
sptrawler said:
This is a typical example of political interference and dumb ar$e statements, for political mileage.
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There are certainly some serious technical issues involved, the most notable one being that even if 20% of homes charge a single EV during the early evening then that's a concern in terms of the power grid.

There are workarounds to that, controlling the rate of charging to match supply capability isn't rocket science as a concept in a world where the internet is just about everywhere, but that sort of thing needs to be worked out before we've got lots of them on the roads and are then chasing our tail trying to implement a solution for the existing vehicles.

It would be preferable to not have politicians and the general public become aware of this need by means of a system collapse. :2twocents
 
Smurf1976 said:
Ultimately it's very simple.

28% of fossil fuel use is in transport, 40% is in electricity. I've posted a lot of details and statistics about this in the energy thread.

If we're going to cut emissions substantially and have 45% or 50% renewable energy as per the political promises then quite simply electricity can't do the whole lot of the task, especially in the context of rising fuel use in the transport sector as has been the trend. That leaves really only three options:

1. Population reduction

2. Transport cannot continue with almost total reliance on petroleum fuels using present technology

3. Simply scale back the use of transport

Simple as that really and the rest is detail although I'll note that option 2 is the only one likely to be even remotely palatable politically so there's not a lot of choice.

That leaves the choice for government as whether to favour hydrogen or electric vehicles, or to take a neutral stance and see where the manufacturers go.

Another approach, and one I see a lot of merit in, is to simply legislate an emissions cap on the basis of a manufacturer's total sales. That doesn't preclude someone still selling a V12 just so long as they sell a lot of EV's to keep the average within the cap. That approach has been used successfully in the US, albeit with lesser targets, but as a concept it seems workable and is technology neutral in terms of how to achieve it. :2twocents
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Some good ideas there but...

I think it simply comes down to improving the technology before forcing people to rely on it.

Battery efficiency just isn't good enough yet. It needs to be able to power a family car for a long enough distance for people to not rely on available charging stations every 3 hours.

I'm sure we'll get there but until we do we don't need politicians forcing their pet projects down our throats which is effectively what Labor are doing here.
 
Logique said:
Excellent observation, well made Bellenuit. I'm seeing more and more e-bikes around the place. They're fantastic for local commuting, and there are more and more bicycle tracks being built by local government.
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We have a couple of electric bikes, they are brilliant for local commuting, also they do give people an excercise option.
 
PZ99 said:
Some good ideas there but...

I think it simply comes down to improving the technology before forcing people to rely on it.

Battery efficiency just isn't good enough yet. It needs to be able to power a family car for a long enough distance for people to not rely on available charging stations every 3 hours.

I'm sure we'll get there but until we do we don't need politicians forcing their pet projects down our throats which is effectively what Labor are doing here.
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As with everything labor does, it will be half ar$ed, poorly implemented and pursued no matter what the cost to the taxpayer.
The sooner they get labor in the better, it's time everyone got a reality check.IMO:xyxthumbs
 
Smurf1976 said:
There are certainly some serious technical issues involved, the most notable one being that even if 20% of homes charge a single EV during the early evening then that's a concern in terms of the power grid.

There are workarounds to that, controlling the rate of charging to match supply capability isn't rocket science as a concept in a world where the internet is just about everywhere, but that sort of thing needs to be worked out before we've got lots of them on the roads and are then chasing our tail trying to implement a solution for the existing vehicles.

It would be preferable to not have politicians and the general public become aware of this need by means of a system collapse. :2twocents
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You identified the problem and then the solution Smurf.
Yep go home with your electric car or plug in hybrid and hook it up at 6 pm.
But then have a smart power system that doesn't charge the car at 6pm in fact it can pull power from the car to a certain point. This would be the source of the extra power that would be used in these peak times.

When peak times are over, 10-11 pm, the car is recharged on off peak rates .

If I was power company and I wanted to have access to potentially megawatts of clean stable battery power in evening peak times this would be a very attractive option.
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In the conversations about the costs and benefits of electric cars vs IC cars it isn't all black and white.
Hybrids or better still plug in hybrids make a lot of sense in terms of reducing CO2 emissions and reducing costs for people. And at this stage hybrids are at roughly the same price points as IC cars .

The improvement in efficiency and cost competitiveness of electric cars is absolutely startling. This particularly the case with battery technology in terms of range and speed of recharge. Certainly with a few years (way before 2025..) they will eat up IC cars. Let's remember that an electric car is inherently simpler than an IC car. No radiators, a far simpler electric motor
http://theindiansociety.org/electric-cars-2/
 
In Melbourne...

Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg has described the people vandalising his campaign posters with Hitler references in his Melbourne seat of Kooyong as "cowards".

Key Points:

Hitler moustaches have been drawn on images of Josh Frydenberg on his campaign posters
Mr Frydenberg, who is Jewish, has condemned the vandals
The Treasurer's Jewish mother was born in Hungary and fled to Australia to escape the Holocaust

Several posters displaying photographs of Mr Frydenberg, who is Jewish, have been vandalised in the suburb of Hawthorn in Melbourne's inner east.

On one poster a Hitler moustache and what appear to be devil horns appear to have been drawn with a black marker.

Another has the words "Right Wing Facist [sic]" written across his forehead, with glasses and a toothbrush moustache.

In a statement confirming the graffiti in the suburb of Hawthorn, Mr Frydenberg condemned those responsible.

"Regardless of one's political persuasion, vandalism is unacceptable," Mr Frydenberg said.
A Hitler moustache and devil horns drawn on Josh Frydenberg's face on his campaign poster

"It's one thing for these cowards to graffiti a sign, but it's another thing altogether to invoke the horrors of the Holocaust and the evils of Hitler and the Nazis.

"These people should be ashamed of themselves."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04...paign-posters-anti-semitic-vandalism/10972658
 
No way the Coalition wins. Labor by how much.
They may even call the date this weekend.
 
I saw Andrew Bolt in the Herald Sun yesterday writing that he thinks it's important to kick out the moderates from the Liberal party so they can renew so it would be good for Labor to get in for a term but now is worried that Labor will cause more damage than expected.

Well it's on your head Bolt. You pushed for it, you got what you wanted, Bishop, Pyne, Turnbull anyone with any popularity has left the party and your preferred people are in control. I also note today more information has come forward showing Newscorp through a Murdoch son having a meeting with Liberal politicians saying MT must go.
 
Knobby22 said:
I saw Andrew Bolt in the Herald Sun yesterday writing that he thinks it's important to kick out the moderates from the Liberal party so they can renew so it would be good for Labor to get in for a term but now is worried that Labor will cause more damage than expected.

Well it's on your head Bolt. You pushed for it, you got what you wanted, Bishop, Pyne, Turnbull anyone with any popularity has left the party and your preferred people are in control. I also note today more information has come forward showing Newscorp through a Murdoch son having a meeting with Liberal politicians saying MT must go.
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What chance of Abbott retaining his seat ?

Not much I suspect.
 
The call:
Lights flashing and they're racing.
Science First calculated the delay and jumped well ahead of the field.
And as they settle down it's followed by Lambie, Daworkers, Progressive, and almost off the track, Anning.
You guessed it, midfield sees Centre Alliance running well, then followed by Billabor and Sir ScoFry, with Madkatter sniffing out Anning's right wing ride.
Running into a lot of turf being thrown from the frontrunners is Pantsdown and Big Clive.
Tailing off the field sees Greeny running ahead of Rejoyce's Child which replaced Mikesnats after a late scratching, while Nile's riding Blind Freddy into a distant last.
At the turn we see the field begin to spread out as the mainstayers begin to assert themselves.
Science First has dropped right back, being passed by Centre Alliance which is travelling well, and also Sir ScoFry, with a length further back to Billabor.
Rejoyce's Child now being ridden hard to keep up with Greeny which got a dream run left field and is hot on the heels of Lambie and Daworkers.
Looks like the weight of Big Clive's jockey is now telling as Panstdown slips well ahead although remains 2 lengths behind Progressive and Madkatter.
Blind Freddy just ran off the track and will take no further part.
Settling into the straight with 7 weeks to go the favourites are now well ahead although ReJoyce's Child has just pipped Greeny into fourth, behind Billabor, Sir ScoFry and Centre Alliance which had a huge plunge on it in the bookmaker's ring.
Not long to go and out front is Sir ScoFry.
Wait ladies and gentlemen.
Barnaby appears to have deliberately ridden Sir ScoFry into the rails as we near the post and Billabor looks like getting a dream run to the finishing line.
Billabor has now pulled well away to take this race, five lengths back to Sir Scofry, a further 5 lengths back to Greeny running nicely into third.
As they pass the post Centre Alliance takes 4th by a short head from Rejoyce's Child.
A long way back to rest of the field where Madkatter ran on from Lambie, well ahead of a very disappointing Pantsdown. Big Clive succumbed to top weight and broke down at the turn, and it looks like he's going to be put down.
Ladies and gentlemen, the rest of the field were at ridiculous odds and ran true to form. Anning's jockey will be censured by the stewards for running completely off track and endangering spectators.
 
No way on God's green Earth does the Liberal Party deserve to hold government.

The absolutely major problem I is that the Labor Party likewise does not deserve to gain government, even though it looks like being a cakewalk for them.

Best outcome for is maximum chaos in the Senate via centrist, slightly right independents.

( and no we have no far right wing candidates, and centrist means Centre not some ways to the god damn left)
 
wayneL said:
Best outcome for is maximum chaos in the Senate via centrist, slightly right independents.
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Another 3 years of obstruction , delay and party politicking ?

I think I'd prefer a Labor majority in both houses, at least something would be done that we could judge the merits of at the next election.

I'm sick of the Senate freaks, Hanson Lleyonhejlme etc. Some will go but we are stuck with Hanson for another 3 years.

I'd just like a glimpse of what responsible government looks like for once.
 
SirRumpole said:
Another 3 years of obstruction , delay and party politicking ?

I think I'd prefer a Labor majority in both houses, at least something would be done that we could judge the merits of at the next election.

I'm sick of the Senate freaks, Hanson Lleyonhejlme etc. Some will go but we are stuck with Hanson for another 3 years.

I'd just like a glimpse of what responsible government looks like for once.
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Couldn't agree more "Senate freaks" is very apt not an brain cell amongst the lot of them just bottom feeders feeding off punters worst fears.

This is pretty good summery of the present lot apologies if the swearing offends


 
While in principle I agree with a government being able to get on with it, obstruction of this Labor Party's agenda can only be good.

Bring on the Senate freaks.
 
Bill sounds BS heavy, it will be interesting to see how the next four weeks pans out, shame I won't be here to watch it.
It could very well be losing the unloseable election.IMO
 
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