Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[PZ99]

Our own budget crisis.

Once was enough.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...d-again/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.6d93ba8b3059

One commenter got it right.

Tell Trump the wall has now been completed and reopen the Govt

 

[basilio]

Trump is demanding the Congress fund a southern Wall before he will re open the government.He is holding 800,000 people as direct financial hostages and the remainder of the US as indirect hostages.

His claim is that this is National Emergency.

The true National Emergency ? When the dam breaks and the scores of lies this creature spews out become impossible for at least some of the Republican Party to support. And Trump has to go.
Then we will see a true national emergency...

Watch your stock markets then. Watch your other international actors look for opportunities with a US in political turmoil.

 

[PZ99]

800,000 workers times say... $30k a year unpaid = 24 billion dollars a year.

So it'll all be over by around Easter yeah ? LOL

 

[sptrawler]

800,000 workers times say... $30k a year unpaid = 24 billion dollars a year.

I worked for the U.S Government for a while, nearly every year there was a threat of non payment, at least next time it is said it will be taken seriously.

 

[basilio]

Good summary of where Trump is taking the US.

 

[wayneL]

Good summary of where Trump is taking the US.

The Gaurdian...

LMAO

 

[basilio]

Ah Wayne. Such a patriot !

All the way with Donald Trump - The Great White Hope of True Western Values.
I have found a story to gladden your heart.

 

[basilio]

So what exactly was Donald Trump doing with Russia while he was campaigning to be President of the United States ? What was his relationship with Vladimir Putin ? What did he intend to give him as a Christmas gift ?

The short story and the long story. The plans, the documents, the facts.

BuzzFeed News has released documents showing that Trump’s Russian real estate plans were much more developed than the president has let on, contradicting his previous claims that the project was just an idea that had barely gotten off the ground.

Trump Tower Moscow, a skyscraper on the Moscow river providing roughly 250 luxury condos to Russian elites — including a $50 million suite at the top offered for free to Putin — and a spa by Ivanka, branded by Trump’s daughter, and was expected to turn over $300 million in profits:

By the time Donald Trump signed the project’s letter of intent, he was four months into his presidential campaign — running for the highest office in America while conducting private business negotiations with a hostile nation.

Today that choice has produced controversy and possible legal risk. But back then, it seemed to be pure upside.

‘Let’s make this happen and build a Trump Moscow’ Sater wrote to Cohen shortly beforehand. ‘And possibly fix relations between the countries by showing everyone that commerce & business are much better and more practical than politics. … Help world peace and make a lot of money, I would say that’s a great lifetime goal for us to go after’”.

The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...trump-latest-live-updates-government-shutdown

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   • politics
   • The Money Trail

Trump’s Lawyer Said There Were “No Plans” For Trump Tower Moscow. Here They Are.

Rudy Giuliani claims the Moscow tower was barely more than a notion. “There were no drafts. Nothing in the file.” Documents obtained by BuzzFeed News tell a different story.

Azeen Ghorayshi

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/here-are-the-trump-moscow-plans

 

[basilio]

Just waiting....., just waiting....., just waiting.....

Surely at some stage The Don is going to tweet "Fake News" at the details of his planned glittering Miscow Trump Tower?
Surely his Liar in Chief will come up with another alternative reality picture that can ignore Donald Trump signing off on the proposal 4 months into the campaign?
And where are our "local heroes" who follow the Don over hill and dale, across rivers and over cliffs ?

In which universe could a Presidental Candidate be caught negotiating a multi billion dollar business deal with a hostile foreign power while running for office - and not be jailed ?

 

[Darc Knight]

Go Bas!

 

[basilio]

Just a thought. I think the fate of Donald Trump is the hands of ASF posters.

Why ? IMO I think the support offered by a number of posters on ASF is fairly representative of the support given by his US constitutions. As I see it they have supported Donald Trump regardless of personal behaviours, regardless of his treatment of migrants, allies and neighbours. It has been Trump to the end. Any other evidence of malpractice is derided as "false news" regardless of of its evidence base.

So I wonder how they will react with the latest documents which detail how deep Donald Trump was in developing a multi billion dollar Trump Tower in Moscow while running for President. And looking at offering Vladimir Putin the penthouse for free as a marketing strategy ?

Is this sufficient to cause a change of thinking ? IMO if it is sufficient for a couple of our strong Trump supporters to reconsider their belief in his suitability as President I think that would be a fair indication of how his broader support base will react - including the Republican Party.

 

[Darc Knight]

It's interesting. I used to read Biographies and try to get inside the minds of successful people. My initial impressions of Trump during the 80s was that he was an A-grade sleazeball. I suspended that perception and around 2000 onwards would watch The Apprentice and even bought a few Trump books. Things never added up. When you study Trump it becomes apparent that he's not fit to hold any Office and it reflects so sadly on our societies that he does.

 

[luutzu]

It's interesting. I used to read Biographies and try to get inside the minds of successful people. My initial impressions of Trump during the 80s was that he was an A-grade sleazeball. I suspended that perception and around 2000 onwards would watch The Apprentice and even bought a few Trump books. Things never added up. When you study Trump it becomes apparent that he's not fit to hold any Office and it reflects so sadly on our societies that he does.

As someone I heard said, Trump's the least worst bad. So you're right, we [the US] is so stuffed that Trump's preferable.

 

[luutzu]

So what exactly was Donald Trump doing with Russia while he was campaigning to be President of the United States ? What was his relationship with Vladimir Putin ? What did he intend to give him as a Christmas gift ?

The short story and the long story. The plans, the documents, the facts.

BuzzFeed News has released documents showing that Trump’s Russian real estate plans were much more developed than the president has let on, contradicting his previous claims that the project was just an idea that had barely gotten off the ground.

Trump Tower Moscow, a skyscraper on the Moscow river providing roughly 250 luxury condos to Russian elites — including a $50 million suite at the top offered for free to Putin — and a spa by Ivanka, branded by Trump’s daughter, and was expected to turn over $300 million in profits:

By the time Donald Trump signed the project’s letter of intent, he was four months into his presidential campaign — running for the highest office in America while conducting private business negotiations with a hostile nation.

Today that choice has produced controversy and possible legal risk. But back then, it seemed to be pure upside.

‘Let’s make this happen and build a Trump Moscow’ Sater wrote to Cohen shortly beforehand. ‘And possibly fix relations between the countries by showing everyone that commerce & business are much better and more practical than politics. … Help world peace and make a lot of money, I would say that’s a great lifetime goal for us to go after’”.

The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...trump-latest-live-updates-government-shutdown

1. 
   
   • politics
   • The Money Trail

Trump’s Lawyer Said There Were “No Plans” For Trump Tower Moscow. Here They Are.

Rudy Giuliani claims the Moscow tower was barely more than a notion. “There were no drafts. Nothing in the file.” Documents obtained by BuzzFeed News tell a different story.

Azeen Ghorayshi

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/here-are-the-trump-moscow-plans

I think Mueller just came out saying there's no truth to that? Or that's something else?

 

[basilio]

I think Mueller just came out saying there's no truth to that? Or that's something else?

No Luu. Not the case at all. I suggest it is mostly overwhelmingly true. I think there might be some elements that are "inaccurate" . Michael Cohens testimony will be interesting as will the final report.

As far as the release of the documents around Trump Tower Moscow ? Hell unless one suggest they are a complete and total fabrication they appear to clearly show just how much planning and progress as made by Trump to selling the Trump Tower project to the Russians at the same time as Trump was running for President.

I really have to wonder at the view that Donald Trump is the least worst worst bad option for President. Forgeting about Hilary Clinton is that view supposed to say the other Republician candidates could have been as destructive as this person ? Really ?

 

[luutzu]

No Luu. Not the case at all. I suggest it is mostly overwhelmingly true. I think there might be some elements that are "inaccurate" . Michael Cohens testimony will be interesting as will the final report.

As far as the release of the documents around Trump Tower Moscow ? Hell unless one suggest they are a complete and total fabrication they appear to clearly show just how much planning and progress as made by Trump to selling the Trump Tower project to the Russians at the same time as Trump was running for President.

I really have to wonder at the view that Donald Trump is the least worst worst bad option for President. Forgeting about Hilary Clinton is that view supposed to say the other Republician candidates could have been as destructive as this person ? Really ?

Haven't been following. Just that I heard Mueller came out saying something's not accurate about the BuzzFeed article. Weren't sure what was inaccurate, all or some parts.

I don't think anyone could be as destructive as Trump.

was saying that the American voters, those who voted, they thought that of the two, Trump is the lesser of two evil.

Regarding domestic policies, I don't think what Trump's doing is any different to what any other candidates would have done. They will have dressed it up better, not so blatantly racist... but they generally would screw the plebs just the same. Clinton might be a bit less as she need the gay votes.

On the foreign policy end... Trump is way worst. I think he had already set American strategy back a decade or two. China might actually dominate most of the world if Trump keep doing the same idiotic policies that's keeping US busy with Iran and Russia in the Middle East.

 

[IFocus]

A comment I saw the other day was interesting.

"Make America Great Again" note taxes were north of 70% for the rich then...........

 

[sptrawler]

Just a thought. I think the fate of Donald Trump is the hands of ASF posters.

Why ? IMO I think the support offered by a number of posters on ASF is fairly representative of the support given by his US constitutions. As I see it they have supported Donald Trump regardless of personal behaviours, regardless of his treatment of migrants, allies and neighbours. It has been Trump to the end. Any other evidence of malpractice is derided as "false news" regardless of of its evidence base.

So I wonder how they will react with the latest documents which detail how deep Donald Trump was in developing a multi billion dollar Trump Tower in Moscow while running for President. And looking at offering Vladimir Putin the penthouse for free as a marketing strategy ?

Is this sufficient to cause a change of thinking ? IMO if it is sufficient for a couple of our strong Trump supporters to reconsider their belief in his suitability as President I think that would be a fair indication of how his broader support base will react - including the Republican Party.

Is it any stranger than most posters on an investment forum, probably going to vote for someone, who will increase tax on investment returns.
Go figure.

Another way of looking at it is, if you are worried about Trumps honesty and integrity, maybe we should check if our back yard is clean.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_politicians_convicted_of_crimes

 

[Darc Knight]

Is it any stranger than most posters on an investment forum, probably going to vote for someone, who will increase tax on investment returns.
Go figure.

I hope you don't base every decision you make on that ROI criteria. I hope you incorporate some moral, ethical and a social concience component into your decision making.

 

[Darc Knight]

I heard Bob Katter on the radio the other day saying "what type of a person can sit idlely by watching harm inflicted on another human being - a sociopath that's who!"