Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[moXJO]

The Repubs approach to their national debt is remarkably similar to our Liberal Party's approach; disgraceful when the other side is in, not a problem when they are in.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/under-donald-trump-national-debt-tops-21-trillion-for-first-time-ever/

Abbott and hockey tried to take on our debt. But it was judged to be to extreme.
I actually thought it was needed at the time.
Now eveyone is whinging because they kept spending.

As for Trumps tax cuts I think we need more time to see if we get a long term result or not. It hasn't been a year since they rolled it out yet, has it?

 

[luutzu]

Abbott and hockey tried to take on our debt. But it was judged to be to extreme.
I actually thought it was needed at the time.
Now eveyone is whinging because they kept spending.

As for Trumps tax cuts I think we need more time to see if we get a long term result or not. It hasn't been a year since they rolled it out yet, has it?

You can see the impact of his tax cuts on the stock price and share buybacks.

 

[bellenuit]

Nothing like a "good Christian" to put the murder of the Saudi journalist into perspective. Darling of the evangelical Christian Right, Pat Robertson, "Don't risk $100B arms sales..."

 

[SirRumpole]

Nothing like a "good Christian" to put the murder of the Saudi journalist into perspective. Darling of the evangelical Christian Right, Pat Robertson, "Don't risk $100B arms sales..."

Yes well, when you have the livelihoods of thousands dependent on an arms deal it's a tough choice, but selling to the Saudis is as bad as selling to Saddam Hussein in my view, the Saudis are deeply bad people and the source of a lot of terrorism around the world (sorry if that sounds racist in the current world view on this forum).

I think the US will eventually rue getting into the tent with them.

 

[luutzu]

Yes well, when you have the livelihoods of thousands dependent on an arms deal it's a tough choice, but selling to the Saudis is as bad as selling to Saddam Hussein in my view, the Saudis are deeply bad people and the source of a lot of terrorism around the world (sorry if that sounds racist in the current world view on this forum).

I think the US will eventually rue getting into the tent with them.

The Saudis are all that... but that's why they were put there, by the US. It's how they decided to do imperialism in the Middle East post WWII.

The Saudis have to buy military hardware from the US each and every year. That's the deal. They do not have a choice. That's the price the House of Saud have to pay if they want to live and enjoy life at the top.

Should watch "Syrianna", based on a book by former CIA operative in the Middle East - Hear no Evil, See no Evil... see George Clooney being cool and showing how these kind of theatre work.

Trump is not smart and eloquent enough to spin this whole thing the way an Obama or a Bill Clinton could.

He's so clueless he think everyone value money over freedom of the press, butchering journalist and carrying the body away in bits and pieces.

But then again the coalition and SA have been bombing the heck out of Yemen past few years, putting its population into the worst famine in 100 years... what's one guy though.

 

[SirRumpole]

The Saudis have to buy military hardware from the US each and every year. That's the deal. They do not have a choice. That's the price the House of Saud have to pay if they want to live and enjoy life at the top.

What's your source for that ?

 

[bellenuit]

Yes well, when you have the livelihoods of thousands dependent on an arms deal it's a tough choice

But should it be for someone who purports to follow Jesus? What do you think Jesus' response would be to that issue, based on what the scriptures tell us about him, fictitious or not?

 

[luutzu]

What's your source for that ?

Noam Chomsky, Alfred McCoy, Chris Hedges, Paul Jay, that CIA-inspired movie I just mentioned... basically anyone who studied post-war M.E. history and politics.

You can watch that interview I posted with Paul Jay on the US/Saudi relationship. He sums it up a bit.

But yea, the puppet show started way back before WWII ended when Roosevelt stopped by the not-yet Arabia of the Saud family. From memory I think he was on his way back from Malta with Churchill, Stalin where they mapped out how to divvy up the world and what bits Churchill's England get to keep a piece of.

Chomsky often joke that the Saudis buy a lot of high tech military hardware but they don't know what to do with it. Can't use it. Just park it there.

Seeing how they've been bombing and choking off all imports into Yemen, accidentally droning school buses and big cars over the past few years and still haven't defeated the "terrorists", maybe they're just learning how to fly but haven't figured out how to really work it yet.

From that interview with Paul Jay... and this might very well be true but it's just speculation... the Crown Prince MBS might be being set up with both US and disgruntled royalties to get rid of him.

Know how MBS forced quite a few of his cousins to cough up billions some year or two ago? You create a few enemies that way right.

But worst, he have the nerve to start dabbling in military gears from the EU, from Russia and from China. Spending some fair chunk of change on those barbarians and their deadly weapons.

See if MBS will resign and head to the harem permanently or not...

 

[SirRumpole]

But should it be for someone who purports to follow Jesus? What do you think Jesus' response would be to that issue, based on what the scriptures tell us about him, fictitious or not?

I've given up believing that most religious people are moral overall. Scott Morrison calls himself a Christian but he lets people commit suicide on Nauru and then turns a blind eye.

Its pointless pointing out their hypocrisy, I just try not to vote for them if I can help it.

 

[basilio]

The Thug-in-Chief annointing his new thugee in front of his adoring thugettes

'He's my guy': Trump praises Gianforte for assault on Guardian reporter
President’s comments at Montana rally in praise of violence against US journalist come amid international outcry over Khashoggi

Ed Pilkington in Missoula

@edpilkington
Fri 19 Oct 2018 17.26 AEDT First published on Fri 19 Oct 2018 13.18 AEDT

1:46
Laughter as Trump lauds politician's body slam of Guardian journalist – video report
Donald Trump has praised Greg Gianforte, the Congress member from Montana, for violently attacking a Guardian reporter, saying that someone who performs a body slam is “my guy”.

Trump described in glowing terms the physical assault that occurred on 24 May 2017 when Ben Jacobs, the Guardian’s political correspondent, was asking Gianforte a question about health care policy in the course of a special congressional election in Bozeman, Montana. The US president incited cheers and chants from a crowd of about 8,000 supporters on Thursday night when he said: “Greg is smart. And by the way, never wrestle him. You understand. Never.”


As the cheers rang out across an aircraft hangar in Missoula, Trump went on to say: “Any guy that can do a body slam … he’s my guy.” After praising Gianforte, Trump acted out the motion of throwing a person violently to the ground.

Trump’s comments mark the first time the president has openly and directly praised a violent act against a journalist on American soil.

There is the leadership of a true bully.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/18/trump-greg-gianforte-assault-guardian-ben-jacobs

 

[moXJO]

Its a three way power struggle between Saudi, Turkey and Iran. No one there gives a crap about about a wapo journo. They still chop of heads and hang the body for three days.

 

[moXJO]

Chomsky often joke that the Saudis buy a lot of high tech military hardware but they don't know what to do with it. Can't use it. Just park it there.

.

This isn't true. Guys come out and train their guys on big weapons purchases. You can also hire mercs as trainers from the big SOF companies.

 

[moXJO]

The Thug-in-Chief annointing his new thugee in front of his adoring thugettes

'He's my guy': Trump praises Gianforte for assault on Guardian reporter
President’s comments at Montana rally in praise of violence against US journalist come amid international outcry over Khashoggi

Ed Pilkington in Missoula

@edpilkington
Fri 19 Oct 2018 17.26 AEDT First published on Fri 19 Oct 2018 13.18 AEDT

1:46
Laughter as Trump lauds politician's body slam of Guardian journalist – video report
Donald Trump has praised Greg Gianforte, the Congress member from Montana, for violently attacking a Guardian reporter, saying that someone who performs a body slam is “my guy”.

Trump described in glowing terms the physical assault that occurred on 24 May 2017 when Ben Jacobs, the Guardian’s political correspondent, was asking Gianforte a question about health care policy in the course of a special congressional election in Bozeman, Montana. The US president incited cheers and chants from a crowd of about 8,000 supporters on Thursday night when he said: “Greg is smart. And by the way, never wrestle him. You understand. Never.”


As the cheers rang out across an aircraft hangar in Missoula, Trump went on to say: “Any guy that can do a body slam … he’s my guy.” After praising Gianforte, Trump acted out the motion of throwing a person violently to the ground.

Trump’s comments mark the first time the president has openly and directly praised a violent act against a journalist on American soil.

There is the leadership of a true bully.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/18/trump-greg-gianforte-assault-guardian-ben-jacobs

I hope its on film.

 

[luutzu]

This isn't true. Guys come out and train their guys on big weapons purchases. You can also hire mercs as trainers from the big SOF companies.

They didn't put those big gears to use until quite recently, on Yemen. Though I could be wrong.

Training isn't really using though. But yea, the assault on Yemen did give them plenty of real practice... though Western mercenaries are still leading the way based on a couple of articles I scanned through before on Reuters.

 

[Darc Knight]

I have had enough of the guy, and his pals. I guess its finally my time to say goodbye...

Cheers all, thanks for the times!

We need you Bear - strength in numbers. It takes a whole Village to raise a Child.

 

[SirRumpole]

We need you Bear - strength in numbers. It takes a whole Village to raise a Child.

Yep, the last thing we need is an echo chamber.

<agreeing with previous post>

 

[wayneL]

Yep, the last thing we need is an echo chamber.

<agreeing with previous post>

Also agree, I might differ from you guys, but its important a range of views are debated.

C'mon Can, it's the Aussie way, hang sh*t off each other then go have a beer afterwards.

 

[luutzu]

Also agree, I might differ from you guys, but its important a range of views are debated.

C'mon Can, it's the Aussie way, hang sh*t off each other then go have a beer afterwards.

Alright, what's going on.

First we got whinging cuthroat traders not liking whining general discussion whiners but somewhat tolerate them.

Now we got right wingers shaking hands with centrist and lefties. Going off for a beer?

Australians are alright after all

 

[$20shoes]

I'm much more in favour of Prechter's theories here. You are both arguing that the elected president has an outcome on the economy and on indicators such as the the DOW. But the influence is the other way around - the social mood of the day (as reflected in indexes), determines their perceived legacy and fate of presidents and has a direct bearing on how presidents are brought into office and taken out of office.

As an example, presidents are usually retained in landslides that take place near market tops and usually win two terms - we are in a final fifth wave that is typically marked by debt giving rise to property and stocks. The lustre is well and truly wearing off but we may complete Super Cycle Wave 5 on the S&P500 late next year which will be the culmination of 5 waves up that started in 1916.

If the bear market starts in Oct 2019, the social mood will take out its frustrations on the Republicans and they wont win another term in 2020. We're in a very old bull market folks, so it will be interesting to see how social mood alters people's perceptions of Trump as the markets unwind.

 

[basilio]

Found a story that explores the Politics of Rage. Starts with the current Trump administration but then back tracks to the US of 1830-50's as the southern states defended slavery with increasing levels of rage. The final result was the Civil war.

Well worth a read and think.

America Descends Into the Politics of Rage
Trump and other practitioners may reap short-term gains, but history suggests they will provoke a fearsome backlash.

6:00 AM ET
Joanne Freeman
Professor of history and American studies at Yale University

Jonathan Ernst / Reuters

Anger has a peculiar power in democracies. Skillfully deployed before the right audience, it cuts straight to the heart of popular politics. It is attention-getting, drowning out the buzz of news cycles. It is inherently personal and thereby hard to refute with arguments of principle; it makes the political personal and the personal political. It feeds on raw emotions with a primal power: fear, pride, hate, humiliation. And it is contagious, investing the like-minded with a sense of holy cause.

In recent weeks, it has grown increasingly ubiquitous in American politics. In Montana this past Thursday, President Donald Trump praised Republican Representative Greg Gianforte, who pleaded guilty to assaulting the Guardian reporter Ben Jacobs, saying, “Any guy who can do a body slam … he’s my guy.”

The week before, the Republican candidate for governor in Pennsylvania told his opponent that he was “going to stomp all over [his] face with golf spikes.” On the other side of the political tracks, the former attorney general Eric Holder said, “When they go low, we kick them.” Both men later qualified their statements, noting that they didn’t mean to incite violence. Their purpose—though neither man explicitly said as much—was to use rhetoric to stoke passions and rouse support.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/trump-and-politics-anger/573556/