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Darc Knight said:
:D

I love a good Tisme rant. It'll be a sad day if I come in here and "the Tis" hasn't been running amuk :D
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That day was closer than you know a few days back and is still weighing on my mind.

I don't possess a hate trait so their is no malice in my decision, and there are some wonderful people here, but the haters with indigent conversational talents...well one can only have so much fun poking them with a commonsense stick now and then.:D
 
moXJO said:
Well there is always that.

Lets not embarrass ourselves and say its Obama's doing. His policies were stripped bare and Trump is going in a completely different direction.

Thats not to say what obama was doing wouldn't work. But it would have honestly been more of the same.

I'm interested to see if Trumps plan will work. But he might be stalled if the dems flip a house.
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That WEF report is very interesting. Well worth a closer read. Which I did.

The report actually said the US was second in world competiveness so I'm not sure how it got to first. (Where did you get your quote from ?)
But the really interesting part is going through a more detailed analysis of the various components of their index. This was the summary that caught my eye.

The United States ranks 2nd overall this year, displaying a constant improvement in score since 2010. Although ranking high overall, the country ranks 25th in basic requirements, with institutions, coming in below the top 10 and the macroeconomic environment placing 83rd. The macroeconomic environment pillar, out of all the components of the basic requirements subindex, has advanced the least and is one of the country’s worst-ranked areas. Compared with other top-ranked countries, the United States performs poorly in health and primary education, coming in 29th despite an improvement of 0.15 in score over the last year. The strength of the United States comes from its performance in efficiency enhancers and innovation and sophistication factors, where it comes in at 1st and 2nd respectively. These two subindexes reflect sound and well-functioning factors of production and product markets and a vibrant innovation ecosystem. The United States faces numerous policy uncertainties moving forward, many of which are in the areas where it is relatively weakest. Successfully meeting institutional challenges relating to both public and private institutions, improving the macroeconomic environment, and investing in human capital—particularly in the areas of health and primary education—will be crucial for the United States to maintain its position near the top of the competitiveness rankings.

http://reports.weforum.org/global-c...1539915511.7663860321044921875000#economy=USA
 
basilio said:
That WEF report is very interesting. Well worth a closer read. Which I did.

The report actually said the US was second in world competiveness so I'm not sure how it got to first. (Where did you get your quote from ?)
But the really interesting part is going through a more detailed analysis of the various components of their index. This was the summary that caught my eye.

The United States ranks 2nd overall this year, displaying a constant improvement in score since 2010. Although ranking high overall, the country ranks 25th in basic requirements, with institutions, coming in below the top 10 and the macroeconomic environment placing 83rd. The macroeconomic environment pillar, out of all the components of the basic requirements subindex, has advanced the least and is one of the country’s worst-ranked areas. Compared with other top-ranked countries, the United States performs poorly in health and primary education, coming in 29th despite an improvement of 0.15 in score over the last year. The strength of the United States comes from its performance in efficiency enhancers and innovation and sophistication factors, where it comes in at 1st and 2nd respectively. These two subindexes reflect sound and well-functioning factors of production and product markets and a vibrant innovation ecosystem. The United States faces numerous policy uncertainties moving forward, many of which are in the areas where it is relatively weakest. Successfully meeting institutional challenges relating to both public and private institutions, improving the macroeconomic environment, and investing in human capital—particularly in the areas of health and primary education—will be crucial for the United States to maintain its position near the top of the competitiveness rankings.

http://reports.weforum.org/global-c...1539915511.7663860321044921875000#economy=USA
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Yes you are right. I see what they have done. They took the ranking score which is 5.9 for both 1st and 2nd and made the call they are equal first.


I'll link to the article
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance...um-confirms-the-us-is-great-again-under-trump
 
moXJO said:
Wait thats an old or different report you posted.

http://reports.weforum.org/global-competitiveness-report-2018/country-economy-profiles/#economy=USA

US is number 1
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Why would getting praised by business groups as being "competitive" a good thing for the country again?

It'd be like you giving quotes or buying things and the client or seller is praising you for being very, very awesome. Yea, that idiot man, doing it so cheap, spending way too much I also feel bad taking advantage of him.

Great dealmaker that Trump.

I don't go to Harvard or some crap, but most would take it as a praise when the other side swears at them for being such a tightwad and scream that they got family to feed too.
 
moXJO said:
Yes you are right. I see what they have done. They took the ranking score which is 5.9 for both 1st and 2nd and made the call they are equal first.


I'll link to the article
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance...um-confirms-the-us-is-great-again-under-trump
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In any case the US is THE predominant economiuc power in the world. End of story. It does have a very highly developed economic infrastructure. It does exercise global economic domination as far as it can. And with Don Trump at the helm it is determined to pursue an America First policy on all trade and development fields.

The question to be asked is what could be the outcomes of such an aggressive and US centric economic/foreign policy?

Another overwhelming question is the US destruction of efforts to address CC. This is not going to do away and will bit all countries including the US.
 
luutzu said:
Why would getting praised by business groups as being "competitive" a good thing for the country again?

It'd be like you giving quotes or buying things and the client or seller is praising you for being very, very awesome. Yea, that idiot man, doing it so cheap, spending way too much I also feel bad taking advantage of him.

Great dealmaker that Trump.

I don't go to Harvard or some crap, but most would take it as a praise when the other side swears at them for being such a tightwad and scream that they got family to feed too.
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basilio said:
In any case the US is THE predominant economiuc power in the world. End of story. It does have a very highly developed economic infrastructure. It does exercise global economic domination as far as it can. And with Don Trump at the helm it is determined to pursue an America First policy on all trade and development fields.

The question to be asked is what could be the outcomes of such an aggressive and US centric economic/foreign policy?

Another overwhelming question is the US destruction of efforts to address CC. This is not going to do away and will bit all countries including the US.
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Well you were both arguing about Trumps economic record. Now you both flipped narrative.

What are we talking about now?
 
moXJO said:
Well you were both arguing about Trumps economic record. Now you both flipped narrative.

What are we talking about now?
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Building a strong economy does not equate to getting a high rating from capitalists now does it?

I mean, you never know, capitalist could just be giving a high "competitive" grade if you screw your workers, permit them free reign to destroy the eco system and not pay their fair share of taxes.

Oh ey politicians... how about you let us keep more of the profit we made on your land and in return we give you a gold star rating? What say you?

Giving stickers doesn't impress my kids at all now.
 
I have had enough of the guy, and his pals. I guess its finally my time to say goodbye...

Cheers all, thanks for the times!
 
luutzu said:
Building a strong economy does not equate to getting a high rating from capitalists now does it?

I mean, you never know, capitalist could just be giving a high "competitive" grade if you screw your workers, permit them free reign to destroy the eco system and not pay their fair share of taxes.

Oh ey politicians... how about you let us keep more of the profit we made on your land and in return we give you a gold star rating? What say you?

Giving stickers doesn't impress my kids at all now.
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Employment figures?
Business confidence?
Manufacturing?

You want all those things then you need a decent economy up and running. You need companies to stay onshore and pay tax etc.

What he is doing is a start.
As I have said before: I think trump is good for the US economy and bad for the rest of us.
Terrible for Australia. The only comfort I will take out of labor winning the next election, is that they will be less likely to suck up his ass.
 
CanOz said:
I have had enough of the guy, and his pals. I guess its finally my time to say goodbye...

Cheers all, thanks for the times!
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Well that is sad.. But I can well understand your POV.

I guess at some stage enough is enough and there are better things to do than attempt to respond to much of the xhit that goes on in some of these threads.

Best of luck and cheers.
 
CanOz said:
I have had enough of the guy, and his pals. I guess its finally my time to say goodbye...

Cheers all, thanks for the times!
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Just take a breather CanOz.
It's easy to get wrapped up in this stuff and then actively seek it out.
Just hit ignore and do what makes you happy.

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Everyone is addicted to "outrage pr0n" at the moment. Stop looking for it if you don't like it.
 
moXJO said:
Well you were both arguing about Trumps economic record. Now you both flipped narrative.

What are we talking about now?
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Come on Moxjo .:speechless: We are arguing that the sum total of Donald Trumps contribution as President is overwhelmingly negative. Why ?
1) His destruction of international relations in the name of America first is riduculously short sighted. Lets seee what happens as the trade war bites

2) His destruction of international efforts to tackle CC is catastrophic. CC is real. It's effects will be devestating. Ignoring it will only hasten the end game

3) His destruction of the political framework in the US and worldwide is catastrophic. He has made bare faced lies, personal abuse, political corruption and venality all acceptable parts of being a politican in the US. Just great

4) He is leading the way for every other authoritarian strong man to take over the body politics in their country. Brazil, Austria, Poland, Hungary, Italy then look to Germany.
 
moXJO said:
That ain't shifting for a while yet.
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And it doesn't help when Trump votes in $1.5T of tax cuts for business.

But don't worry. Next year they will come in to slash Medicare, food stamps, welfare to balance the budget.
 
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