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Having spent the last 3 months drifting downwards to about $1.20, Skilled has risen strongly for the last 2 weeks, closing at $1.61 today.
SKC or someone else... did you notice any announcements in this sector that would explain the heavy volume and price decline in SKE over the past few days? It is starting to look pretty attractive now. Fantastic cashflow generation, low capex and volume based (meaning asset utilisation is not as big a deal, and also provides some insulation against commodities prices) and very high ROIC. Also it does not rely on high margins for profitability, like a lot of companies in related sectors have over the boom part of the cycle. The balance sheet is pretty clean too.
There is either an announcement or a speeding ticket coming... or someone wants out really badly. Fairly certain there has been no earnings downgrades from SKE management to date.
Trailing P/E is about 9.5 after today. Before the drop it was between 10-11. Forward P/E, which is based on analysts estimates, and should be taken with a grain of salt is for 25c EPS in 2013, 27.7c EPS in 2014. That would put it on a P/E of 8.5 for 2013 and 7.5 for 2014. Again to be taken with a grain of salt.I don't know this stock well, but if I was to guess, then either they were trading at PE that's too high (like recent weakness in SEK, CRZ, MTU, TPM etc), earning growth assumptions being too generous, or that placement in the engineering / resource sector is a meaningful part of their business. Or some combination of all three...
I will let you find out the real answer and share with us here.
I don't think it was the jobs data (although that no doubt wouldn't have helped with sentiment with these kinds of stocks). It was already about 7% down before that was released and has been consistently down most of the last week (and indeed it was $3.75 at some point this year before all of the engineering / mining services companies got slammed).
I think this company's earnings has held up pretty well over the last few years. Indeed, I believe their model has more resilience than the firms that have all the big cranes and equipment pieces on their balance sheets. There are more variable costs to cut, if need be. It's a pretty flexible business model, as seen by the steady margins over the last 10 years; they can adapt pretty quickly if the **** hits the fan.
EBIT in 2012 was about $84 million. Say they lost 30% of that to the reversing cycle. That's about $60 million EBIT. Which coincidently is close to the five year average. I haven't gone back much further yet... but I will have that data when I have finished plugging it into my financial model. Dividend still looks maintainable at those levels after maintenance capex IMO. EV at close today is $490 Equity + $70 debt = $560 million. That is an EBIT multiple of 9.33 times. Not exactly a massive stretch, especially for a company that can earn rates of return in excess of 50% on capital employed.
I'm hopeless at predicting price action over the short-term, and there is no doubt going to be lots of sellers lining up assuming that earnings will be downgraded as we approach 30 June 2013, but this is starting to look attractively priced at these levels.
That's all good. I'm still digging into it and once I have mapped out the financials for the whole cycle I can start answering some of your questions in more detail. You've provided a sound reasoning for your doubts, and I agree you would have to be comfortable that the company can handle the worst case scenarios before you can start valuing it in more detail. Thank you again for taking the time to reply.Don't mean to sound all negative.... just being a devil's advocate. It may be a bargain for all I know.
That's all good. I'm still digging into it and once I have mapped out the financials for the whole cycle I can start answering some of your questions in more detail. You've provided a sound reasoning for your doubts, and I agree you would have to be comfortable that the company can handle the worst case scenarios before you can start valuing it in more detail. Thank you again for taking the time to reply.
Bought some too by the way - but not at open as my order did not get filled (which reminds me I'm a long-term investor, and a small fish, and should buy at market - it usually costs me few extra cents per share when I start counting the pennies I may save...). A minor position (which I often do for good prospects) whilst I finish the research. I don't think my conclusions will change. Reading back this morning I tried to answer some of your questions in my first two posts, however, probably did not communicate them very clearly. Might add some extra answers to your posts over the weekend.Actually bought some SKE on the open today. A we know nothing speeding ticket combined with a strong overnight lead and an upgrade by Wilsons... enough ingredients for a quick long trade.
Is it truely a flexible business model? How does the business work? Do they have heaps of labour on their books? How long and how much does it take to fire them if there's no work for them?
Bought some too by the way - but not at open as my order did not get filled (which reminds me I'm a long-term investor, and a small fish, and should buy at market - it usually costs me few extra cents per share when I start counting the pennies I may save...). A minor position (which I often do for good prospects) whilst I finish the research. I don't think my conclusions will change. Reading back this morning I tried to answer some of your questions in my first two posts, however, probably did not communicate them very clearly. Might add some extra answers to your posts over the weekend.
I thought these guys were just a labour hire outfit? Sort of like a temp agency, you only go on their books once they contract you. They are pretty exposed to mining and oil and gas. Of there three divisions (they sold their call centre division) the least resource exposed has been flat/down over the last few years while the Engineering and Technical services segments have put in solid growth.
Yep, completely agree with the benefits of articulating your thoughts in writing - especially to others.skc said:You do what you need to do to satisfy yourself... happy either way if you wish to share your finding or keep it to yourself. Although I always find that articulating the answer in writing helps you structure your thinking and potentially reach a more logical conslusion.
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