Is it the governments fault people are stuck in Beirut?

twojacks28 · 20 July 2006

I have to say that I feel sorry for those who are stuck in the middle of this war. However what I am sick of hearing is all those Australians there complaining that we are not doing enough to bring them home. I have little sympathy for those who choose to holiday in dangerous places. Especially when the tension between these groups has been building up for years. The reason I am sick of hearing these people complaining is beacause we are on the other side of the earth. Have they not thought that it will takes days if not a week to get to them? Have they thought that it is difficult to suddenly fly planes and helicopters to an airport which has been blown up?

Anyone else agree?

visual · 20 July 2006

Funny you should say that,because Lyndal Sachs Australias ambassador said almost exactly that,the government informs people of the danger of these places yet people go anyway and then they expect the government to rescue them,my interpretation. Also the other thing thats becoming apparent is our small size.Canada was able to gazumpe (?)Australia,as in the ferry that was double booked,presumably as a bigger country they got priority or were able to pay more who knows,so its not just distance that seems to be making a difference.

twojacks28 · 20 July 2006

visual said:
Funny you should say that,because Lyndal Sachs Australias ambassador said almost exactly that,the government informs people of the danger of these places yet people go anyway and then they expect the government to rescue them,my interpretation.Also the other thing thats becoming apparent is our small size.Canada was able to gazumpe (?)Australia,as in the ferry that was double booked,presumably as a bigger country they got priority or were able to pay more who knows,so its not just distance ,that seems to be making a difference.

thats funny I honestly didn't know he said that! I cant believe that so many of the stranded are saying that downer and howard should resign because there to slow to act! they are the stupid ones going to a country in the middle of a war!

visual · 20 July 2006

twojacks28 said:
thats funny I honestly didn't know he said that! I cant believe that so many of the stranded are saying that downer and howard should resign because there to slow to act! they are the stupid ones going to a country in the middle of a war!

Two Jacks,Lyndal is a woman

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anyway it was a very quick comment on ABC news ,not surprising many journalists didnt pick it up,you`d hardly want to be seen to be holding people responsable for their own actions.ooops,

twojacks28 · 20 July 2006

visual said:
Two Jacks,Lyndal is a woman :
anyway it was a very quick comment on ABC news ,not surprising many journalists didnt pick it up,you`d hardly want to be seen to be holding people responsable for their own actions.ooops,

haha oops I actully meant woman. yeah I don't think anybody would want to be held responsible!

carmo · 20 July 2006

We need to look at dual citizenship, there should be no such thing.

sam76 · 20 July 2006

carmo said:
We need to look at dual citizenship, there should be no such thing.

I like this idea.

twojacks28 · 20 July 2006

would some other peoplewho are voting like to comment on there reasons.

sam76 · 20 July 2006

twojacks28 said:
would some other peoplewho are voting like to comment on there reasons.

you guys seem to be saying it pretty well.

short answer; you holiday/visit relatives in a dangerous place with simmering tensions and against government advice - you have to expect delays if violence erupts.

no point risking more aussie lives to save a few idiots.

sam76 · 20 July 2006

sam76 said:
you guys seem to be saying it pretty well.

short answer; you holiday/visit relatives in a dangerous place with simmering tensions and against government advice - you have to expect delays if violence erupts.

no point risking more aussie lives to save a few idiots.

Of course there are a few exceptions to this rule.

twojacks28 · 20 July 2006

sam76 said:
you guys seem to be saying it pretty well.

short answer; you holiday/visit relatives in a dangerous place with simmering tensions and against government advice - you have to expect delays if violence erupts.

no point risking more aussie lives to save a few idiots.

hmm you said it very weel sam.

MIT would you like to comment on why you said it is the governments fault?

wayneL · 20 July 2006

carmo said:
We need to look at dual citizenship, there should be no such thing.

why?

YELNATS · 20 July 2006

carmo said:
We need to look at dual citizenship, there should be no such thing.

You are right, it's the crux of the problem. When they declare their allegiance to Australia, they should renounce all other citizenships. As a taxpayer, I do have a problem with the Aust govt spending my hard-earned on rescuing these fools, without any mandate.

YN

wayneL · 20 July 2006

YELNATS said:
You are right, it's the crux of the problem. When they declare their allegiance to Australia, they should renounce all other citizenships. As a taxpayer, I do have a problem with the Aust govt spending my hard-earned on rescuing these fools, without any mandate.

YN

Hang on!

Is the government is being asked to rescue Australian visitors to Lebonon, or Australian citizens who are residents of Lebonon.

Let's get clear about that.

RodC · 20 July 2006

YELNATS said:
You are right, it's the crux of the problem. When they declare their allegiance to Australia, they should renounce all other citizenships. As a taxpayer, I do have a problem with the Aust govt spending my hard-earned on rescuing these fools, without any mandate.

YN

These people are also taxpayers. The Australian government is certainly not responsible for them being stuck there. but the government certainly does have a responsibility to do their best for Australians wherever they are.

warney · 20 July 2006

YELNATS said:
You are right, it's the crux of the problem. When they declare their allegiance to Australia, they should renounce all other citizenships. As a taxpayer, I do have a problem with the Aust govt spending my hard-earned on rescuing these fools, without any mandate.

YN

could the government be compensated through individuals travel insurance?
this way if you choose to go into insecure enviroments insurance companys could cover this through increased premiums according to risk.

YELNATS · 20 July 2006

wayneL said:
Hang on!

Is the government is being asked to rescue Australian visitors to Lebonon, or Australian citizens who are residents of Lebonon.

Let's get clear about that.

Precisely, that's the problem, probably a bit of both, it's a grey area about as clear as mud. The govt can't win.

Why should some people be able to claim multiple citizenship when the rest of us born and lived here all our lives cannot. It doesn't make sense. You're either 100% Aussie or you're not.

Regards. YN.

RodC · 20 July 2006

visual said:
Funny you should say that,because Lyndal Sachs Australias ambassador said almost exactly that,the government informs people of the danger of these places yet people go anyway and then they expect the government to rescue them,my interpretation. Also the other thing thats becoming apparent is our small size.Canada was able to gazumpe (?)Australia,as in the ferry that was double booked,presumably as a bigger country they got priority or were able to pay more who knows,so its not just distance that seems to be making a difference.

Size of the country is irrelevant. If Canada gazumped us it's because their diplomats/government did a better job than ours did.

The US had 6 warships evacuating their citizens, if we couldn't get ours there when why couldn't our Govt get some space on the US (or British) ships? The "coalition of the willing" obviously doesn't count for much.

carmo · 20 July 2006

wayneL said:
why?

Can I ask why there should be dual citizenship? And can you be loyal to two countries?

wayneL · 20 July 2006

carmo said:
Can I ask why there should be dual citizenship? And can you be loyal to two countries?

Well, I haven't got an answer to my question yet, but I'm happy to answer.

I have thre citizenships

1/ Canadian - I was born there. No one can remove this as fact

2/ British _ Which I have a legal right to because of my ancestry. No one can remove this as a fact

3/ Australian - Because I live here. No one can revove this fact.

These are merely political divisions, and I am a human being first. Therefore my loyalty is to the the family of man, wherever they are.

I have received no particular favour from any of these countries, in excess to what I have contributed. Therefore my "loyalty" is contingent upon those countries to do the right thing in my eyes.

Now if someone can answer my question?

Is it the governments fault people are stuck in Beirut?

Do you think it is the governments fault that people are stuck in Beirut?

Yes

No

twojacks28

visual

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visual

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carmo

sam76

twojacks28

sam76

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twojacks28

wayneL

VIVA LA LIBERTAD, CARAJO!

YELNATS

Non illegitimus carborundum

wayneL

VIVA LA LIBERTAD, CARAJO!

RodC

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YELNATS

Non illegitimus carborundum

RodC

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wayneL

VIVA LA LIBERTAD, CARAJO!

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