Aboriginal?

Nicks · 12 January 2007

2020hindsight said:
Wayne I totally agree also.
I ask myself - if I was born aboriginal, (or red indian, I guess), with all that that entails, out in the middle of some vast wasteland - would I have been able to get an education etc - as I have been lucky enough to do. no way.
I wouldn't swap with em for a minute. (would any of us swap? would you swap banjo ! sorry I mean !!!!!!!!)

I know that things are getting seriously out of hand in western NSW etc, but if we're going to start judging, then lets not pretend that every white person out there in "the wild west" is perfect either.

Speaking of wrecked cars cluttering the Nullarbor, does anyone remember that tv show about the aboriginal mechanics? - like they'd break a front axle - so what? lol - just stick in a branch and drive in reverse seriously innovative.

Wayne, 2020 - exactly the point I was trying to say, but articulated a little better. This is the the nut of what this whole thread is about.

2020hindsight · 12 January 2007

Nicks - personally I think you said it better than me lol ...but anyways. Perhaps Henry Lawson's poem is "relevant" - perhaps with the word "prouder" changed to "louder" in the case of the average pubscene. :2twocents

A PROUDER MAN THAN YOU, by Henry Lawson

If you fancy that your people came of better stock than mine,
If you hint of higher breeding by a word or by a sign,
If you're proud because of fortune or the clever things you do --
Then I'll play no second fiddle: I'm a prouder (louder?) man than you!

If you think that your profession has the more gentility,
And that you are condescending to be seen along with me;
If you notice that I'm shabby while your clothes are spruce and new --
You have only got to hint it: I'm a prouder man than you!

If you have a swell companion when you see me on the street,
And you think that I'm too common for your toney friend to meet,
So that I, in passing closely, fail to come within your view --
Then be blind to me for ever: I'm a prouder man than you!

If your character be blameless, if your outward past be clean,
While 'tis known my antecedents are not what they should have been,
Do not risk contamination, save your name whate'er you do --
`Birds o' feather fly together': I'm a prouder bird than you!

Keep your patronage for others! Gold and station cannot hide
Friendship that can laugh at fortune, friendship that can conquer pride!
Offer this as to an equal -- let me see that you are true,
And my wall of pride is shattered: I am not so proud as you!

PS my grandfather only had aboriginals for playmates

(born on a station out near birdsville, way back when - and incidentally a breach birth and only an aboriginal lady as a midwife - no whites for 50 miles plus)

;;
- and personally i found they had a great sense of humour when I worked with em on a farm in central Qld once...A friend and I were making a few bucks picking Rhodes grass seeds - one of the aboriginal workers walked past .. " hey .. you in dat grass dere, pikin that Rhodes grass seed !! - I saw a big snake dere yesterday... hehehehe"

2020hindsight · 13 January 2007

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1821811.htm

Griffith Aboriginal mothers appeal for calm after boy's death
Aboriginal women in the Riverina city of Griffith, in south-western New South Wales, have urged residents not to blame their community over the violent death of a popular student on New Year's Day.

Text messages are circulating in the city that incite race violence.
Today's Griffith Area News devotes seven pages to the death of 17-year-old student Andrew Farrugia.
The popular young man died after an assault during New Year's celebrations in Griffith's main street.
Two 15-year-old boys have been charged with his murder and police expect to interview a third person, an 18-year-old man, in Sydney today.

In a letter to the local paper today, the Aboriginal mothers of Griffith offer their deepest apologies, saying the death should not have happened.
The letter says Aboriginal leaders need to act on social issues affecting their children and that a solution is needed for all the cultural groups in Griffith.

Meanwhile police have warned they will prosecute those responsible for the text messages that are circulating that incite racial violence in the city.

Interesting that people inciting racial violence by text messages (or posts here?) might be prosecuted . :2twocents

Wysiwyg · 13 January 2007

Bobby said:
Hullo All,

I thought I was a white bloke untill I met some people who look like me, but said they were aboriginals.

Whats an ABORIGINAL these days ?

Bob.

I don`t know the answer to the question but this thread looks like a good place to vent ones connections and maybe get some reply......

I went to a one teacher school varying from four to twelve kids in Maxwelton, N.W. Qld. Aboriginal brother and sister Nelson and Elizabeth Mackie were school mates.From memory (and incomparison to us caucasians) both were real, and to know real then one has to experience it.My minds eye holds a vivid picture and wish all their needs are met.

True aboriginal,yes.

2020hindsight · 26 January 2007

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1834259.htm

Policeman to be charged over Palm Island death
The man in charge of reviewing the Palm Island death in custody case in north Queensland has found there is sufficient evidence to prosecute a police officer for manslaughter.

Former New South Wales chief justice Sir Laurence Street spent about three weeks examining Director of Public Prosecutions Leanne Clare's decision not to lay charges against Senior Sergeant Chris Hurley over the 2004 death of Mulrunji in the Palm Island watch-house.

Ms Clare decided last year there was insufficient evidence for any prosecution.

But Sir Laurence has disagreed with her findings and Queensland Attorney-General Kerry Shine today instructed the Crown Solicitor to initiate prosecution proceedings... etc

now isnt that interesting ... makes you wonder about the blindfold on the lady who holds those scales of justice don't it. My guess is she peeks :2twocents

Decision welcomed
A crowd of about 50 people cheered and cried when Sir Laurence's findings were announced at an Indigenous concert in Townsville. Aboriginal activist Gracelyn Smallwood says she is overwhelmed.

"This has been an historical day for black Australia and I believe that reconciliation can happen," she said. "Many white Australians supported us and many white people from all around the world and blacks came together and it's a celebration and I'm just ecstatic on it."

gr8 day for justice. Let's see how much of the evidence gets shredded :2twocents

2020hindsight · 27 January 2007

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1834581.htm Mulrunji decision 'historic' for Indigenous justice

The decision to charge a Queensland police officer over a death in custody has been described as one of the most significant events in the last 200 years of Aboriginal history.

The State Member for Townsville, Mike Reynolds, says it is an historic decision. .."Everyone is saying that this is one of the most important days in the 219 years in regard to justice for Indigenous people," he said. The Palm Island community celebrated into the night and Mulrunji's friends say they are looking forward to having their day in court.

...Family friend David Bulsey says the focus now is getting a fair trial.
...The lawyer acting for Mulrunji's family, Andrew Boe, says it is been a case of "delayed justice". "It's just a sense of relief that the wheels of justice in relation to this matter will finally start," he said.
...But the Queensland Police Union is not happy, with spokesman Denis Fitzpatrick warning strike action will be considered. "Police right across this state of Queensland today are incensed at this political interference," he said.

Queensland Premier Peter Beattie has urged all parties to accept Sir Laurence's recommendation and says the DPP will not be sacked.

Ms Clare has been unavailable for comment but the Queensland Attorney-General says Sir Laurence's findings are not a slight on her.

Opposition spokesman Mark McArdle says it is premature to pass judgement on Ms Clare. "We do not know if she is right or Laurence Street is right, that will come at the end of the trial," Mr McArdle said. "At the end of the trial when a jury has made up its mind of guilt or innocence, that's when the issue of Leanne Clare can be properly addressed. "Up until that point in time, however, speculation should not occur."

"Leanne Clare's future is under a cloud if a jury finds that he is guilty." - and all the jurors will get speeding tickets on the way home?
still, there may be some surprises in the evidence - time will tell.
(bit like Hicks really - except that here at least they know what the charge is :2twocents

)
And the aboriginals at last feel their voices have been heard on such an important matter - which is important for any aussie citizen.

2020hindsight · 28 January 2007

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1834766.htm Police threaten to cut ties with Indigenous communities
The Queensland Police Union (QPU) has turned up the pressure on the State Government over the decision to charge an officer over an Aboriginal death in custody. The union says police should be removed from Indigenous communities and tribal law should be allowed to take over, if communities do not want a police presence.

interesting reaction to the fact that one of their number has to face manslaughter charges - ? reduced police presence ? can't quite see the connection myself. Are they saying that if there is a police presence, then there must follow that there will be deaths in custody?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1834657.htm Mulrunji decision prompts call for legal changes
The Australian Council for Civil Liberties (ACCL) has called for greater accountability at the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) in Queensland....
ACCL president Terry O'Gorman has rejected demands the DPP be sacked but is calling for change. "We say judges should be given back the power to decide whether cases should go on or not, and we also say that people, including Sergeant Hurley if he wins his case, should be given their costs," he said.

and awarding costs under these circumstances would also seem to be reasonable.
Incidentally, does anyone remember when Joh Bjelke Petersen got off his charges - as I recall it was something to do with an obstructionist jury member?

Justice. Indigenous activist Sam Watson says the decision to lay manslaughter charges Senior Sergeant Chris Hurley has restored some faith in the legal system. But he says Sir Laurence Street's review of the case proves the role of the DPP needs to be re-examined.

"Because justice in this state should not be blinded by the colour of a person, they should not be blinded by the cultural language of a person, justice should not be blinded by where a person lives," he said.

i agree, justice should simply be blind m8. :2twocents

Sean K · 25 May 2007

This has been sleeping for a little while, but the topic of sacred aboriginal land, and ownership, has been floating around for a bit, especially in relation to Native Title and release of land for exploration and mining. This has never been more evident than the traditional land owners in Kakadu to tell ERA/RIO that they can not develop Jabiluka this week. More to follow of course.

Now, another Aboriginal group is releasing their land for gain.

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I have always had the impression that the environment was sacred to aboriginals. The land, the trees, the animals, all of it. Even when they caused bush fires to flush out animals, or kill them for food, this was justified to be good for the environment. How can they, as a people, be content with allowing nuclear waste to be stored here, but then prevent mining of it there?

The Age said:
Aboriginals offer nuclear dump site
Tara Ravens and Dennis Peters
May 25, 2007 - 5:57PM

A group of Northern Territory Aborigines has agreed to accept $12 million in return for some of their land being the site of Australia's first nuclear waste facility.

Part of their proposed deal with the commonwealth is that they will get the land back, but they may have to wait 200 years.

The traditional owners from Muckaty Station, 120km north of Tennant Creek, today nominated their land for a planned repository for low- to medium-level nuclear waste.

The proposed 1.5 sq km site will now undergo scientific testing to be considered along with three commonwealth defence sites, including Harts Range and Mount Everard near Alice Springs and Fishers Ridge near Katherine.

John Daly, chairman of the Northern Land Council (NLC) which backs the plan, said it was "a historic day".

"This is an agreement that has been worked out with traditional owners and the commonwealth," he told reporters in East Arnhem Land.

"We believe it will be safe and we have Australia's best scientists dealing with it."

The Ngapa, one of four clan groups who live on Muckaty Station and who number about 60 people, including children, have agreed to the deal following two years of negotiations and three trips by elders to Sydney's Lucas Heights Reactor.

Under the agreement, they would get $11 million to be managed by a charitable trust and $1 million to be spent on education.

In return they would hand over an area of 1.5 sq km to store waste, which would likely be carried to the site by road from the Stuart Highway, over the next 50 years.

The commonwealth would return the site to traditional owners when it was declared safe - expected to be in about 200 years.

Mr Daly said while the federal government would take full freehold ownership of the land, there was a legislative guarantee it would be handed back.

He said the deal would be a "cash cow" for the traditional owners if the site was selected.

"It's about the other spin-offs. Twelve million dollars is a lot of money. It can go a long way to developing the lands and future outcomes for kids," he said.

"I am really confident. Hopefully, everything will stack up and the geology will be right for it.

"We aren't losing our land. It is a long-term lease, and when the commonwealth is finished with it, it will be returned to Aboriginal lands again."

The Northern Territory government opposes the waste dump plan but is effectively powerless to stop it.

"The decision to nominate this site is wrong and we'll continue to oppose it," NT Chief Minister Clare Martin said.

"The process for the identification of sites for a nuclear waste dump by the federal government is a joke.

"We understand that Australia needs a nuclear waste repository, but its location needs to be determined through a strict, scientific process, not a political one."

Federal Science Minister Julie Bishop said she was not concerned about the territory government's opposition, but a number of steps had to be taken before the nomination was even approved.

"If I approve the nominated land as a potential site, then the suitability of the site will be assessed in a similar manner to the three defence sites that were announced in 2005," she told ABC radio.

Once the preferred site was selected, Ms Bishop said it would then be subject to an environmental impact assessment and nuclear regulatory licensing processes.

She said Australia could have its first facility within the next four or five years.

Labor's environment spokesman Peter Garrett said the local Aboriginal community had not been properly consulted.

But Ngapa traditional owner Amy Lauder, from the Muckaty region, said she was happy with the deal.

"We feel it will be alright for the environment in our country," she said.

"We will get it back later on and (the money) will make a big difference to us."

BIG BWACULL · 27 May 2007

Making up for stolen time

Daniel Dasey
May 27, 2007
Cecil Bowden ... lost generation child.

CECIL BOWDEN was 18 months old when the authorities arrived at his Cowra home and demanded his family hand him over.

With Cecil's father away at war, relatives could do little but watch as he was packed off to the first of a series of institutions where he would be abused, ridiculed and humiliated.

One of about 1500 people who marched through Sydney yesterday to commemorate the 10th anniversary of a report into the stolen generation of Aboriginal people, Mr Bowden said his early experiences had scarred him deeply.

Told his parents were dead, it was an easy step for an angry young man to progress from Aboriginal institutions into prisons where he would spend close to 30 years.

"It turned out my father was actually alive and had tried to get us back," Mr Bowden said.

"He was a returned soldier who fought in both world wars but he could not get his own kids."

Yesterday's Sorry Day march marked the 10th anniversary of the Bringing Them Home report into the thousands of Aboriginal Australians separated from their families as a result of government policy.

Today marks the 40th anniversary of the national referendum in 1967 that resulted in Aboriginal people being counted in Australia's census for the first time.

The anniversaries come as the Federal Opposition yesterday pledged $261million over four years towards improving primary health care for indigenous Australians.

Mr Bowden, a member of the NSW Sorry Day committee, said he remembered his reaction to the referendum in which over 90 per cent of Australians voted to officially recognise Aboriginal people.

"I felt angry as usual," he said. "But maybe a little safer."

Leilla Penrith, who was taken from her family at six months, said she remained hopeful of change.

"I've been pushed from pillar to post all my life," she said. "But I'm still trying to keep going day to day."

Shadow federal environment minister Peter Garrett told a rally at Circular Quay that white Australia still had further to go in acknowledging the harm done to Aboriginal people.

Research released by Reconciliation Australia suggests Australians are ready for better relations between indigenous and non-indigenous people. A national survey found that most Australians believed reconciliation was about developing mutual respect and that indigenous people had equal rights.

It found 71 per cent of people considered developing better relationships between black and white Australians was important.

Just under 40 per cent felt it was either very important or extremely important.
Source: The Sun-Herald

BIG BWACULL · 27 May 2007

Even made it to the aljazeera network

Hundreds of people marched through central Sydney on the 40th anniversary of the Aboriginal referendum
In the 1967 referendum 90 per cent of Australians voted that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people should be counted in the national census. May 26 was also the 10th National Sorry Day which acknowledges the mistreatment of Australia's indigineous families. The referendum also gave the federal government the power to make laws for indigineous people. Many marchers say the day is about bringing all Australians together and coming to terms with their history.

hangseng · 27 May 2007

Bobby said:
Hullo All,

I thought I was a white bloke untill I met some people who look like me, but said they were aboriginals.

Whats an ABORIGINAL these days ?

Bob.

Merriam-Webster 1913

Aboriginal Ab`o*rig"i*nal (�), a. [See Aborigines.]
1. First; original; indigenous; primitive; native; as, the aboriginal tribes of America. “Mantled o'er with aboriginal turf.” Wordsworth.
2. Of or pertaining to aborigines; as, a Hindu of aboriginal blood.

Aboriginal Ab`o*rig"i*nal, n.
1. An original inhabitant of any land; one of the aborigines.
2. An animal or a plant native to the region.

American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source ab·o·rig·i·ne (āb'ə-rĭj'ə-nē) Pronunciation Key
n.
1.
a. A member of the indigenous or earliest known population of a region; a native. See Usage Note at native.
b. often Aborigine A member of any of the indigenous peoples of Australia.
2 aborigines The flora and fauna native to a geographic area.

[From Latin aborīginēs, original inhabitants (folk etymology of a pre-Roman tribal name) : ab-, from; see ab-1 + orīgine, ablative of orīgō, beginning; see origin.]

in·dig·e·nous /ɪnˈdɪdʒənəs/ Pronunciation [in-dij-uh-nuhs]
–adjective 1. originating in and characteristic of a particular region or country; native (often fol. by to): the plants indigenous to Canada; the indigenous peoples of southern Africa.
2. innate; inherent; natural (usually fol. by to): feelings indigenous to human beings.

[Origin: 1640–50; < L indigen(a) native, original inhabitant (indi-, by-form of in- in-2 (cf. indagate) + -gena, deriv. from base of gignere to bring into being; cf. genital, genitor) + -ous]

2020hindsight · 28 May 2007

http://www.faira.org.au/issues.html - heaps of details of various committees etc. land rights, stolen generation etc.

Then of course there was Hindmarsh Island

- shouldn't get a bridge etc because of "5000 year old secret women's business" and that, sure enough, if you got in a helicopter and went up a thousand feet or so, you could make out the rough shape of male genetalia.
Which just goes to prove that aboriginal women mastered flight 5000 years ago. (Whereis.com). (This map is about 7km x 4 km)

PS Don't get me wrong - I have tremendous sympathies with em - and only 40 years ago they were excluded in census - or rather regarded as "fauna (and other animals)"

JeSSica WaBBit · 3 June 2007

Hey guys & girls,

just wondering, are Aussie & Aboriginal the same thing?

I was thinking about this and i figure, i was born in Australia so that makes me Aboriginal. Being a native to Australia.

I mean really, what else can i be?

My Mum was born in Oz but Dad is English.

I mean, we all know that skin colour is irrelevant, so whether i am black or white should not matter but that i am an Australian native.

Is there any merrit to this.

No offence to Aboriginals, just got me thinking. I figure i am as native to Australia as anyone else.

JW

2020hindsight · 3 June 2007

interesting JW

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=108277&highlight=seekers#post108277

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSoGJQkKDYk&mode=related&search= the seekers , I am, you are, we are Australian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBI3xiDzxMM&mode=related&search=

I AM AUSTRALIAN (Bruce Woodley and Dobe Newton)

I came from the dream time, from the dusty red soil plains,
I am the ancient heart - the keeper of the flame,
I stood upon the rocky shore, I watched the tall ships come,
For forty thousand years I'd been the first Australian.
We are one but we are many
And from all the lands on earth we come,
we share a dream,
And sing with one voice,
I am, you are, we are Australian.

I came upon the prison ship bound down by iron chains
I cleared the land, endured the lash and waited for the rains.
I'm a settler, I'm a farmer's wife on a dry and barren run
A convict then a free man, I became Australian.
I'm the daughter of a digger who sought the mother lode
The girl became a woman on the long and dusty road
I'm a child of the depression, I saw the good times come
I'm a bushy, I'm a battler, I am Australian.
We are one but we are many
And from all the lands on earth we come,
we share a dream,
And sing with one voice,
I am, you are, we are Australian.

I'm a teller of stories, I'm a singer of songs
I am Albert Namatjira, and I paint the ghostly gums
I am Clancy on his horse, I'm Ned Kelly on the run
I'm the one who waltzed Matilda, I am Australian.
I'm the hot wind from the desert, I'm the black soil of the plains
I'm the mountains and the valleys, I'm the drought and flooding rains
I am the rock, I am the sky, the rivers when they run
The spirit of this great land, I am Australian.
We are one but we are many
And from all the lands on earth we come,
we share a dream,
And sing with one voice,
I am, you are, we are Australian.

JeSSica WaBBit · 4 June 2007

Exactly 2020!!!!

Thats exactly what i am saying mate!

Thats sums it up, we are one of the same Aborigial = Australian

I feel like i have a connection with this land just like the Aboriginals, i don't belong to any other country, this is my home, its where i was born, its where i grew up, its in my blood.

Forget about skin colour, forget about all the other rubbish, i am part of this land.

What happened in 1788 is history, like so many other sad historic events, barbaric!

I like the aboriginals, hell, like i said i feel like i am one myself.

One thing i was taught was that - YOU CAN'T MOVE FORWARD WHILE YOU ARE LOOKING BACKWARDS - **** happens but you just got to build a bridge and get over it or you will be consumed by it and it will destroy you!

Its time...................lets get on with it, we are on the same side for gods sake!

2020hindsight · 4 June 2007

JW
btw, they say they sing that song at the opeing of every meeting of the Society for Schizophrenics. .... viz:-
"we are one, but we are many" etc

PS it would be great if that song applied to all Aussies equally in reality - "and sing with one voice" etc -
instead of just in that song

Bit like "we are the world, we are the children" etc

I think I agree, move on etc, but - it would be nice if someone added a "sorry" in there somewhere. (imo)

Otherwise the "sing with one voice" will equate to ...

"dragging em along to choir practice and singing under duress"
Can't imagine the resultant song having much "harmony" (pun intended)

JeSSica WaBBit · 4 June 2007

Society for Schizophrenics AGM - now that would be interesting!

No probs with the sorry thing, but, i reckon it needs to come from the English.

As far as i am concerned i don't have anything to apologize for and i imagine most other Australian born folk like myself feel the same. I feel like the English also owe me an apology for what they did to my ancestors as well as the Aboriginals.

And there lies the problem i reckon, lets say Australia apologizes to the Aboriginies for what the English did to them and also for what some of the subsequent following generation did to them, hows that going to fix the mess they are in?

Not sure if this is making sense but like i said, an apology from me, who has never done anything to Aboriginies, whats the good of that?

I am on their side, I was born here the same as them, I am them.

I just don't get it? But happy to provide an apology it if it helps them and thats what they want.

I still think they are consumed with history, its destroying them. Until they start to look forward they are doomed!

I am on there side but some one needs to tell them to get there **** together, its that simple. I know its not PC but it needs to be said.

I don't care who you are but change starts with yourself. Respect is earnt NEVER given, its a universal rule.

I understand that they are in a difficult situation, things are tough and they face challenges, i know its not easy for them BUT thats when you need to rise above all the crap, show who you are and the strength you have inside.

You got to forget about all the stuff that 'other people' did in the past, its history, its over, gone, done with, finished. Start thinking, using the noodle, the grey matter, sort out the future, FORGET THE PAST, IT WILL BE THE END OF YOU IF YOU DON'T.

How lucrative could the holiday business be for them if they set up a educational travel and holiday business around everythign aboriginal. Kind of like the 'Intrepid' adventures they do overseas. They could tell about the dream time, bush tucker, art, it goes on and on..................people would come from all over the globe to hear what they had to say and learn about their culture and traditions.

The answer can only come from the Aboriginal people themselves.

I just wish them the best of luck

BIG BWACULL · 4 June 2007

By standing up for what you believe in you can make a difference. So what your saying is they should just bend over and get rogered. Why give up on your land after fighting so long too get something you already owned. Its like someone knocking (not even knocking actually) on your front door and moving in and starting to live their lives, what would you do? let them do it, or run to the coppers crying foul.

Vincent Lingiari (1908–1988), was an Aboriginal rights activist who was awarded the Order of Australia for his services to the Aboriginal people. Lingiari was a member of the Gurindji people from the Northern Territory's Victoria River District. Lingiari led the Wave Hill Walk-Off, which eventually resulted in the return of the land to the Gurindji by the Commonwealth of Australia.

The Wave Hill strike would eventually reshape the agenda of relationships between Indigenous Australians and the wider community. Although initially an employee-rights action, it soon became a major federal issue when the Gurindji people demanded the return of their traditional lands.

The strike lasted seven years. Over that time, support for Aboriginal rights grew as the struggle intensified. The protest eventually led to the Commonwealth Land Rights Act (Northern Territory), 1976. This Act gave Indigenous Australians freehold title to traditional lands in the Northern Territory and, significantly, the power of veto over mining and development on those lands.

An important and symbolic event in Australian history occurred when, during an emotional ceremony in 1975, Prime Minister Gough Whitlam poured the local sand into Vincent Lingiari's hands and handed the Wave Hill station back to the Gurindji people.

Vincent Lingiari confronted the vast economic and political forces that were arrayed against him and his people. In doing so, he won a victory that is one of the most outstanding achievements in the history of the struggle for the recognition of Indigenous people, their rights and responsibilities in the land, and their ability to practise their law, language and culture.

Should he have just given up?
Good onya vincent, god rest his soul.
WATCH THIS VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tHEGo-g3mw

JeSSica WaBBit · 4 June 2007

They have already been rogered and is wasn't by me. The English gave it to them up the ar$e, not me and not most other Australians.

No point fighting me, i am on their side, thats my point, who are they fighting, we are all Australians.

I am not saying to completely forget about the past and what was done to them but you have to realise that most Australians who are about today had nothing to do with that.
We are the same people, the same, thats my point, born and breed in the same land with the same connections to it, its in our blood.

You can fight all you like but it won't change the past and it wont help the future.

These people need solutions and they need solutions for the future not the past.

The video is great. Yes, from little things big things do grow, but you got to sow the seeds to get those little things growing so they grow into big things.

I say, start sowing so these people have a future.

If it doesnt get sorted out soon they will be gone, they will disappear, time is running out and from where i am sitting it looks as bad as ever.

I dont have the answers but i still think its in the hands of the Aboriginals themselves and i think they need to realise we are on their side, not the enemy. Its not 1788, its almost 2008............................

JeSSica WaBBit · 4 June 2007

One other thing to consider....................

I reckon that you have to forget about who owns the land, to me it is irrelevant. You got to look at the bigger picture.

At the end of the day the earth belongs to everyone and its everyones responsibility to take care of it.

There is no point banging on about who should own what land, the planet belongs to all of us.

We live in a global village, essentially whether you like it or not the world will become one of the same in the future. Its already happening.

This is the next step in the process. Its the reality. The world is a melting pot of races mixing becoming one. In another 2-5 thousand years, assuming we dont wipe ourselves out, it will be one of the same.

Those who survive this process will be the ones who can adapt the best.

I dont see the Aboriginals surviving the process. Take the last 200 Years as a small window of how they have managed to adapt to the changing world, in a nut shell they have not adapted at all. This is how extinction occurs.

Like i have said, i support them, i hope they make it through but i am also a realist and things are looking grim.

They need to think about a 2000 year strategy for the survival of their people.
Then work it back to now, see what changes they need to instigate to survive the future.

I would be asking the elders 'what their plan is for the survival of their people'?

I still think to survive they need to funnel the bulk of their energy into plans for the future and minimal effort on things in the past.

Time will tell.

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