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Troy, I'm sorry to say, yes I would cross the road if I had my family with me and an aboriginal was walking towards me. I have had to much experience to not be wary!
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banjo_pete said:
Great idea. This is the sort of philosophy Noel Pearson has attempted to promote for his people rather than the passive acceptance of welfare which will never build any sense of pride or esteem.
Julia
banjo..........I too am sorry you feel this way towards aboriginal people.......it's these stereotypes of aboriginal people and lack of understanding that causes the problems!!
You would even cross the road even when I am in my business suit???
T
You would even cross the road even when I am in my business suit???
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Mate what % do you think are adding to society like yourself??? i would really like to know??? I have seen the worst of aboriginals working in a pub. Im not saying they are all bad ppl, but i have yet to meet one without a chip on their shoulder. Been punched in the face three times by aboriginal women doing my job. Now i play by the law! If someone is intoxicated i wont serve them, i have seen many publicans who are that scared that they just keep serving. White or black if you are drunk you are out. Now you can say we have come in and stolen your land, which is 100% true. But what is going to happen??? We are not going to leave are we! If captain cook hadnt landed in aus 210 years ago then there would be no problems, but he did! So you ppl can do one of two things! 1. Bury your heads in the sand and continue along the same path or 2. Get over it! Sounds harsh doesnt it? But those are the choices. I have friends who are bitter and twisted, they go on about how ppl treat them badly(the world is against them) and guess what they have nothing, no family no relationships, no money, nothing!!!!!! And you know why?? Because they are to busy thinking they are hard done by. My case in point!!!!!!!!!!
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and 3. keep pushing for justice at palm island etc ?
I mean, to die in police custody is one definition of "hardly done by" i suppose.
I mean, to die in police custody is one definition of "hardly done by" i suppose.
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when your population accounts for 2% of the total population and accounts for 22% of inmate population. Why does the media not say anything when a white man dies in custody??? 1 in 5 inmates are aboriginal!
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banjo_pete said:
banjo, can we assume then that 4 in 5 deaths in custody are white?
appreciate any stats you have.
PS of course - ANY deaths in custody are unacceptable.
PS that goes for unjustified treatment of D Hicks as well btw.
Don't worry I have gotten over it!!!
I agree with you in when you talk about people that have "victim status"............I have met many people black and white with the "poor me" syndrome. I completely disagree with that way of thinking. People have to get up and do something about it or they will be miserable for the rest of their lives. I had to!.............and I have become a stronger person for it.
It does definetly work both ways.....
It also works the other way too as I have been punched (flogged) by rednecks in country queensland but you don't see me going around hating every white person I see.............I'm married to a white woman!!
Hopefully one day I can come in and have a beer with ya!!
T
I agree with you in when you talk about people that have "victim status"............I have met many people black and white with the "poor me" syndrome. I completely disagree with that way of thinking. People have to get up and do something about it or they will be miserable for the rest of their lives. I had to!.............and I have become a stronger person for it.
It does definetly work both ways.....
It also works the other way too as I have been punched (flogged) by rednecks in country queensland but you don't see me going around hating every white person I see.............I'm married to a white woman!!
Hopefully one day I can come in and have a beer with ya!!
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tmallie its ppl like you who should be out in the aboriginal community showing there is another answer! I applaud you!
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banjo
another way to look at it suppose...
when a white man is found to have a case to answer for "causing fatal injuries" by coroner, but DPP rules no need...
yet a black(i believe a young mother of an infant kid - ill check) who throws a stone gets 18 months in jail ...
I wonder if this explains that imbalance (22% of inmates etc) that you were referring to ?
btw also, here's a white man who seems to be a bit troubled by all this...that Mulrunji Doomadgee was "hardly done by".....Federal indigenous affairs minister Mal Brough
another way to look at it suppose...
when a white man is found to have a case to answer for "causing fatal injuries" by coroner, but DPP rules no need...
yet a black(i believe a young mother of an infant kid - ill check) who throws a stone gets 18 months in jail ...
I wonder if this explains that imbalance (22% of inmates etc) that you were referring to ?
btw also, here's a white man who seems to be a bit troubled by all this...that Mulrunji Doomadgee was "hardly done by".....Federal indigenous affairs minister Mal Brough
The good news is that public pressure has forced a review.
When we went across the Nullarbor I noticed on the map that a roadhouse was within an aboriginal land area and was run by aboriginal people.
We chose to stop at the roadhouse as a sign of support for their efforts.
There were no artifacts of any sort for sale.
The roadhouse had been leased to a white couple.
The settlement behind the roadhouse looked like a car wrecking yard and the few aboriginals hanging around the roadhouse were shouting and swearing at each.
At Ceduna all the motels have compounds otherwise all the cars are vandalised overnight.
Another example is Wilcannia in NSW, if a building does not have a manproof fence then it is vandalised, graffiti all over, the only business we could find open was a roadhouse and EVERYTHING was behind the counter so it wasn't stolen.
They really don't help themselves do they
We chose to stop at the roadhouse as a sign of support for their efforts.
There were no artifacts of any sort for sale.
The roadhouse had been leased to a white couple.
The settlement behind the roadhouse looked like a car wrecking yard and the few aboriginals hanging around the roadhouse were shouting and swearing at each.
At Ceduna all the motels have compounds otherwise all the cars are vandalised overnight.
Another example is Wilcannia in NSW, if a building does not have a manproof fence then it is vandalised, graffiti all over, the only business we could find open was a roadhouse and EVERYTHING was behind the counter so it wasn't stolen.
They really don't help themselves do they
wayneL
VIVA LA LIBERTAD, CARAJO!
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The question is whether the negative behaviour of aborigines is inherent in their culture or genetics; or whether it is common to all homo sapiens when faced with similar situations.
To suggest that aborigines have equal opportunity in this country is to seriously whack ones self off. Yes they get a few cash and other benefits not available to whitefella. But the things that are truly important to human beings extend well beyond benefits and include things like a feeling of usefulness, respect from others, self respect, pus a myriad of other psychological factors.
Aborigines suffer a daily psychological assault in these areas. Remarkably, it is often the "do-gooders" who reinforce this message.
The question then becomes: Would other races behave in the same way if in the same circumstance, viz, caucasians? The answer to that is resoundingly in the affirmative. One needs only to study the "deprivation index" of those nations that produce one, to see the correlation between deprivation and anti-social behaviour/crime rate.
A stroll around somewhere like Liverpool in the UK would supply all the empirical evidence required.
To suggest that aborigines have equal opportunity in this country is to seriously whack ones self off. Yes they get a few cash and other benefits not available to whitefella. But the things that are truly important to human beings extend well beyond benefits and include things like a feeling of usefulness, respect from others, self respect, pus a myriad of other psychological factors.
Aborigines suffer a daily psychological assault in these areas. Remarkably, it is often the "do-gooders" who reinforce this message.
The question then becomes: Would other races behave in the same way if in the same circumstance, viz, caucasians? The answer to that is resoundingly in the affirmative. One needs only to study the "deprivation index" of those nations that produce one, to see the correlation between deprivation and anti-social behaviour/crime rate.
A stroll around somewhere like Liverpool in the UK would supply all the empirical evidence required.
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wayneL said:or whether it is common to all homo sapiens when faced with similar situations.
A stroll around somewhere like Liverpool in the UK would supply all the empirical evidence required.
Two great points, Wayne. There is no easy solution to what is a crisis for humanity. On one hand we have the government doling out an incredible amount of cash to native Australians, only to have it pilfered and syphoned by their own people. Ever asked the question of who actually sells the alcohol in places like Pompuraw and who is lining their pockets with the profits?
I had the fortune to share several classes during my scholling with a son of a prominant Aboriginal activist/politician and writer. I gained some in insites to the psych of this guy. We got on fairly well. I noticed how this individual would at any chance blame his misfortune on his heritage, so much so it became simply embarrassing to be in his company. I hear through a mutual friend he himself now is now an acclaimed writer / artist himself these days. I just hope for his own people's sake that he's decided to to drop "racism" bit.
I understand that some terrible things were done to Aboriginal people over time - killing, slavery, stolen generation. One day they are going to have to stand up and say "okay, the greiving time is over. We can stay sitting on our arses whining about how my great great great grandfather was taken away from his family by the tyrant of the colony, or we can start to get on with our lives."
It won't be easy, but one day it simply must be done. It certainly isn't my fault that aboriginal people are the way they are, but I'm more than willing to do what I can by showing equality to equals. By that I mean, if common decency to fellow people are shown and self respect is apparent, they are an equal. Whoever it is.
Good things often shine through from adversity. I suppose this can be used in all walks of life. Stop naming people as Korean, Christian, Aboriginal and the like and treat them on the way they hold themselves in your company.
cheers,
Wayne ,wayneL said:The question is whether the negative behaviour of aborigines is inherent in their culture or genetics; or whether it is common to all homo sapiens when faced with similar situations.
To suggest that aborigines have equal opportunity in this country is to seriously whack ones self off. Yes they get a few cash and other benefits not available to whitefella. But the things that are truly important to human beings extend well beyond benefits and include things like a feeling of usefulness, respect from others, self respect, pus a myriad of other psychological factors.
Aborigines suffer a daily psychological assault in these areas. Remarkably, it is often the "do-gooders" who reinforce this message.
The question then becomes: Would other races behave in the same way if in the same circumstance, viz, caucasians? The answer to that is resoundingly in the affirmative. One needs only to study the "deprivation index" of those nations that produce one, to see the correlation between deprivation and anti-social behaviour/crime rate.
A stroll around somewhere like Liverpool in the UK would supply all the empirical evidence required.
A most impressive post! Well done.
Yes I do see your link between your first & last sentence.
Internecine attitude is intrinsic.
Cheers Bob.
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Wayne I totally agree also.
I ask myself - if I was born aboriginal, (or red indian, I guess), with all that that entails, out in the middle of some vast wasteland - would I have been able to get an education etc - as I have been lucky enough to do. no way.
I wouldn't swap with em for a minute. (would any of us swap? would you swap banjo ! sorry I mean !!!!!!!!)
I know that things are getting seriously out of hand in western NSW etc, but if we're going to start judging, then lets not pretend that every white person out there in "the wild west" is perfect either.
Speaking of wrecked cars cluttering the Nullarbor, does anyone remember that tv show about the aboriginal mechanics? - like they'd break a front axle - so what? lol - just stick in a branch and drive in reverse seriously innovative.
I ask myself - if I was born aboriginal, (or red indian, I guess), with all that that entails, out in the middle of some vast wasteland - would I have been able to get an education etc - as I have been lucky enough to do. no way.
I wouldn't swap with em for a minute. (would any of us swap? would you swap banjo ! sorry I mean !!!!!!!!)
I know that things are getting seriously out of hand in western NSW etc, but if we're going to start judging, then lets not pretend that every white person out there in "the wild west" is perfect either.
Speaking of wrecked cars cluttering the Nullarbor, does anyone remember that tv show about the aboriginal mechanics? - like they'd break a front axle - so what? lol - just stick in a branch and drive in reverse
seriously innovative. Macca,macca said:When we went across the Nullarbor I noticed on the map that a roadhouse was within an aboriginal land area and was run by aboriginal people.
We chose to stop at the roadhouse as a sign of support for their efforts.
There were no artifacts of any sort for sale.
The roadhouse had been leased to a white couple.
The settlement behind the roadhouse looked like a car wrecking yard and the few aboriginals hanging around the roadhouse were shouting and swearing at each.
At Ceduna all the motels have compounds otherwise all the cars are vandalised overnight.
Another example is Wilcannia in NSW, if a building does not have a manproof fence then it is vandalised, graffiti all over, the only business we could find open was a roadhouse and EVERYTHING was behind the counter so it wasn't stolen.
They really don't help themselves do they
Yep I know that road house, stopped at it in 1995 ~ short story we left Quick.
Another adventure was the fortified caravan park at Laverton W.A.
Try using to toilet at the service station in Wilcannia, you get a set of keys to go through about three doors with barbed wire tops.
The sign on the pub says we have lock up garages for your car.
I'm a big mean looking bugger who never feels intimated, but in that town I felt uneasy.
Bob.
I approach this from a different perspective than most, in my teenage years 60% of my mates were aboriginals.
Their fathers had broken the existing barriers back in the 1960s and lived as involved members of the general community. They made damn sure that their kids went to school everyday, they were all liked and treated as equals.
We went to their houses, they came to ours, all now have reasonable jobs and some are on the land council in the area.
Talking to these guys now and they all agree with Pearson, they grew up with self respect and still have it. They are encouraging the next generation to seek training from the land council and get jobs.
As they say, "we don't want our grandkids living in the stone age", there are ample funds available for training, lets use them to create opportunity for our people.
Their fathers had broken the existing barriers back in the 1960s and lived as involved members of the general community. They made damn sure that their kids went to school everyday, they were all liked and treated as equals.
We went to their houses, they came to ours, all now have reasonable jobs and some are on the land council in the area.
Talking to these guys now and they all agree with Pearson, they grew up with self respect and still have it. They are encouraging the next generation to seek training from the land council and get jobs.
As they say, "we don't want our grandkids living in the stone age", there are ample funds available for training, lets use them to create opportunity for our people.
