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So are there 700,000 empty homes additional to the early 80's?
That's 1 additional empty in 12.

Additional Holiday homes and holiday units perhaps?

perhaps we need to analyse it more closely to work out where all the dwellings are - the gold coast is without a doubt one of them.

The other analysis we need is what banks have the greatest exposure and how big a contraction they can stomach. Especially if it is true that they are having strife obtaining o/s funding because of the belief Oz has a bubble.
 
The HIA have premised this whole note on the fact that we are not the same as the US. E.g the US had 1.7 starts per person increase and Australia on 0.5... that is still one house for every two people.

I smell trouble.... if i do any more research this weekend I will need a gas mask. Over and out
 

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The HIA have premised this whole note on the fact that we are not the same as the US. E.g the US had 1.7 starts per person increase and Australia on 0.5... that is still one house for every two people.

HIA states between "2000 and 2009" one house was built for every two increase in population. The HIA would be using those higher population increases of late as well.

Average people per dwelling in Oz is 2.6 people, claims the ABS.

People arn't wandering the streets looking for somewhere to sleep!
 
hello,

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/labor-eases-stamp-duty-for-victorians-20101121-182c4.html

good evening brothers, well its been a great day, gotta thank Explod for filling in for me this weekend. bloody legend man

thanks for the data Medicowallet

SusanW, cant understand you, on one hand you comment how poor performing RE has been(especially in Bris) then you comment that the RBA wants to stop the bubble,

what is it, Bubble or poor performing asset? no bubble, i reckon just run of the mill cost of replacement scenarios

spot on FXTrader in relation to the RBA and infact they are only compounding the issue of capital inflows into the country by increasing

oh well, great week coming up

thankyou
professor robots
 
hello,

oh hello, just a reminder as it keeps coming up of recent

aussie banks get 30% of their funding from overseas organisations, thats all, not much

so yeah, lending is all as per normal, house prices as per normal, oh well

thankyou
professor robots
 
hello,

oops, sorry forget the Grand Final of X-Factor is on and people may be watching the show

will check back in later

thankyou
professor robtos
 
Over here in NZ, (in my neck of the woods at least) there are bargains popping up all over the place.

Lots of folks who MUST sell and in a very slow market means they're being taken to the woodshed and <censored>. I'm talking about 30 - 40% off peak 2007 "value".

wayneL will be buying real estate very soon :cool:
 
Yes, there is no reason why we can't get returns of 10% per year ad infinitum - so long as the Manic Money Makers continue to Fund the Ponzi?
The "Ponzi" is fuelled by market distorting govt policy that gives generous tax benefits to property investors no matter how many properties they finance with other people's money-OPM. How many thousands of owner-occupier buyers have been out bid by property investors/speculators using govt subsidy and leveraging to the hilt to build their property portfolios I wonder.
 
Didn't somebody say desperate tactics as cutting down stamp duty and developer increasing incentives are another sign of bubble bursting?
 
SusanW, cant understand you, on one hand you comment how poor performing RE has been(especially in Bris) then you comment that the RBA wants to stop the bubble,

what is it, Bubble or poor performing asset? no bubble, i reckon just run of the mill cost of replacement scenarios

Bots, thanks to banking deregulation, total credit growth was running 10-15%pa from the early 90s until GFC, while nominal GDP rose from 5 to 7.5%pa in the same period.

From 2000 to GFC, housing credit was expanding at 15-20%pa! That's unsustainable asset price inflation in my books because the interest pmts have to be relieved from other channels, channels growing at half to a third the rate.

So when you ask is housing in a bubble, I retort has housing credit been in a bubble relative to the rest of the economy? I'd say unequivocally yes.

But bubbles don't have to burst.
They can sit inflated for years and wait for everything else to catch up. They can develop slow leaks.
They can burst in the face of an economic stressor.

In my view, flat Brisbane prices this year are entirely congruent with a bubble that lenders and/or borrowers are having difficulty inflating further. What remains to be seen is how property prices deal with an economic stressor - such as credit tighter than Joe Average could have reasonably foreseen.

Re the Glenn Stevens quote, I find it quaint that the RBA denied for years there was even the hint of a problem with house price growth. It apparently just became a problem overnight some time in March this year. :rolleyes:

Some charts to ponder.

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aussie banks get 30% of their funding from overseas organisations, thats all, not much

so yeah, lending is all as per normal, house prices as per normal, oh well

well the Aust. Banking Assocation figures from June last year say 30%. Many media reports have it at 40-50% this year.

And not really normal Bots. In the early 90s, foreign credit made up less than 15% of bank liabilities. All to do with Aussies not increasing GDP at the same clip as credit I would say.
 
Spotted Andrew Harvey in a property rag on the on tram.

Had to dig a little to find the article, funny how not many media outlets printed his words in full. and those that printed any tended to have them in the second half of the article, where many readers don't venture. Like this one:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/11/03/3055920.htm

Reserve Bank 'gets it wrong'
The Housing Industry Association's senior economist Andrew Harvey says the figures show the Reserve Bank's rate rise yesterday was untimely.

"The weak housing outlook is compounded by yesterday's interest rate hike by the Reserve Bank which, due to the additional independent 20 basis point increase by the Commonwealth Bank, will act like a sledgehammer on confidence and economic activity in the non-resource sectors," he said in a statement.

"This total 45 basis point increase in home-lending rates will seriously dent new home demand and confidence, and is worrying as it follows the removal of the First Home Owners Boost and the impact of previous rate hikes.

"Indeed, it appears that we have a near perfect storm of poor conditions for the house-building market at the very time a sustainable boost to Australia's housing supply is needed to allow a balanced economic recovery."

CommSec's chief economist Craig James has also slammed the central bank's decision to raise rates in November.

"Did the Reserve Bank get it wrong by lifting rates yesterday - it certainly looks like it," he wrote in a note on the figures.

"Not only are approvals below longer-term averages but the drop in approvals over the past five months is the biggest in a decade.

"Builders were already worrying where their next jobs were going to come from and clearly those risks have intensified after the latest lift in official interest rates."

CommSec says the downturn is not confined to residential property, with commercial construction approvals at five year lows.

Note how Andrew Harvey wants a "sustainable" supply solution, yeah right, release new land, but not too much, just enough, just like a cartel.

Good luck.
 
as expected. the sunday age prints what i have telling my mates all week will be a safe 60% clearance rate.. the all important psychological 60 threshold remains..

and presto.. there it is!!

175 no results!!

and as usual, the hidden figures and bulldust prevail, like last week, when they postured an typical above 60% clearance rate in the sunday media, from an actual of 56% when those dastardly "no result" were put into the equation..

LOL

i tip a 55% actual for melbourne for this weekend going by the usual pattern..

back to the latte sipping developas to make a mockery of you all on this very entertaining thread..

hype up the bubbles and sip that latte.. lol

Wrong! They need to retract their assertions of a "safe 60%". The dam has broken!

Straight from the horse's ar.... errr.... mouth...

Weekly Auction & Sales Results, Market Overview
Saturday 20th & Sunday 21st November 2010

This is the first weekend of the busiest four week period ever in the Melbourne residential auction market.

In each of the next three weekends the REIV is expecting over 1000 auctions.

The clearance rate this weekend is [size=+2]59 per cent[/size], a result that is consistent with the market's performance since the latest interest rate increase.

There was a total of 893 auctions reported this weekend of which 531 sold and 362 were passed in, 234 of those on a vendors bid.

This weekend last year saw 739 auctions and a clearance rate of 81 per cent reached.


Enzo Raimondo
CEO REIV
http://reiv.com.au/home/inside.asp?ID=162

I'm amazed no-one else picked up on this? Sub 60's heading to sub 50's within a month or so? Oh, that's right. The figures from Enzo are meaningless when they go south. ;)

Party on then, doodz....
 
Bots, thanks to banking deregulation, total credit growth was running 10-15%pa from the early 90s until GFC, while nominal GDP rose from 5 to 7.5%pa in the same period.

From 2000 to GFC, housing credit was expanding at 15-20%pa! That's unsustainable asset price inflation in my books because the interest pmts have to be relieved from other channels, channels growing at half to a third the rate.

So when you ask is housing in a bubble, I retort has housing credit been in a bubble relative to the rest of the economy? I'd say unequivocally yes.

But bubbles don't have to burst.
They can sit inflated for years and wait for everything else to catch up. They can develop slow leaks.
They can burst in the face of an economic stressor.

In my view, flat Brisbane prices this year are entirely congruent with a bubble that lenders and/or borrowers are having difficulty inflating further. What remains to be seen is how property prices deal with an economic stressor - such as credit tighter than Joe Average could have reasonably foreseen.

Re the Glenn Stevens quote, I find it quaint that the RBA denied for years there was even the hint of a problem with house price growth. It apparently just became a problem overnight some time in March this year. :rolleyes:

Some charts to ponder.

credit.gif

hello,

yeah no worries susuanW, wouldnt have a clue what you on about but oh well

great day, just another thanks to Explod for filling in over the weekend, thats what community spirit is all about, fellow man helping fellow man

thankyou
professor robots
 
hello,

yeah no worries susuanW, wouldnt have a clue what you on about but oh well

great day, just another thanks to Explod for filling in over the weekend, thats what community spirit is all about, fellow man helping fellow man

thankyou
professor robots

No worries there cONFESSOR, great day on the Peninsula, 32 deg, vegies looking great, deep blue sea to the You Yangs, wonderful man.

And for the enterprising, lot of vacant rentals now, so if you want a taste of paradise come on down and I'll shout you a coffee.

Noisy buildrs were everywhere awhile back. Aaahhh, great peace now just waiting for the onslaught of the holiday makers, that's when my better half and I take a room at the Rits to play the roulette at Crown and have xmas dinner with the Packers.

Always pleased to support you there Champ, wonder if you could give me a few letters man, always fancied myself as a Doctor or somthing like that.
 
aussie banks get 30% of their funding from overseas organisations, thats all, not much

As an avid fan of your investment style could you please provide some evidence, link, proof that 30% is the correct figure. given you are a professor you would be used to people questioning your facts so it should be as easy as ABC to provide.

Cheers
 
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