Respecting copyright

Joe Blow · 26 March 2008

Please do not infringe the copyright of others on ASF.

I see a lot of people reproducing whole articles and/or not posting a link to or identifying the original source of quoted material.

The ASF code of conduct states:

Aussie Stock Forums must not be used for any illegal activity, including the breach of copyright

If you are quoting another source you must do two things.

1. Not quote the entire article as this infringes copyright. Please only quote a small portion of it (maximum 10%) as this constitues 'fair use' or 'fair dealing'. See here for more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_dealing

2. Always include a link to the original article. If the article is not on the internet you must specifically refer to the publication (title and issue/date) from which it came.

Posts may be removed or quoted material shortened by myself or one of the site moderators if this rule is ignored.

Thank you all for your co-operation.

Trembling Hand · 31 March 2008

Joe Blow said:
Posts may be removed or quoted material shortened by myself or one of the site moderators if this rule is ignored.

I think this would be a welcome move. Many times a thread just gets filled with repeat of what is freely available on Bloomberg or the like. Nothing wrong with quoting to draw attention to something or make a point but a lot of the time it adds nothing but space to be ignored. As well as the copyright issues. My :2twocents

anyway.

I would certainly welcome this move.

son of baglimit · 31 March 2008

i on the other hand have a problem with this rule.

the posting of articles AND the source via the link provides those interested with an education not only on the particular stock, but also the sector, especially if your stock of interest is in a sector or sub sector not given much coverage in mainstream media....ie not financial, property, mining etc.

i feel if the whole article is relevant, post it, along with the relevant link, but obviously provide an edited version if the article is too broad.

i fear having posted this that my approach to posting will be savaged.

time will tell.

wayneL · 31 March 2008

son of baglimit said:
i on the other hand have a problem with this rule.

the posting of articles AND the source via the link provides those interested with an education not only on the particular stock, but also the sector, especially if your stock of interest is in a sector or sub sector not given much coverage in mainstream media....ie not financial, property, mining etc.

i feel if the whole article is relevant, post it, along with the relevant link, but obviously provide an edited version if the article is too broad.

i fear having posted this that my approach to posting will be savaged.

time will tell.

SOB,

The thing is, if full articles are posted, the publisher may come after the forum and/or the poster concerned legally. None of us want that. It is purely to avoid any of us giving money to solicitors.

sails · 31 March 2008

Joe Blow said:
...If you are quoting another source you must do two things.

1. Not quote the entire article as this infringes copyright. Please only quote a small portion of it (maximum 20%) as this constitues 'fair use' or 'fair dealing'. See here for more information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_dealing

2. Always include a link to the original article. If the article is not on the internet you must specifically refer to the publication (title and issue/date) from which it came...

Thanks for posting this, Joe. Personally, I wasn't sure about copyright and have usually posted links only. So it is good to know the rules...

Joe Blow · 7 May 2008

We will be getting tougher on flagrant copyright violations from this moment on. If you are reproducing copyright information on ASF from another source you must do so within the realms of the law.

You must only reproduce a small portion of the article (10% or one or two paragraphs maximum) and you must link to the original source.

We will now be actively removing posts that contain:

Copyrighted articles that are reproduced in full or beyond what is considered to be 'fair dealing'.
Excerpts of articles that contain no link to the original source.

Please report posts that are violating copyright law by using the 'Report a Post' function.

It's Snake Pliskin · 7 May 2008

Joe Blow said:
We will be getting tougher on flagrant copyright violations from this moment on. If you are reproducing copyright information on ASF from another source you must do so within the realms of the law.

You must only reproduce a small portion of the article (10% or one or two paragraphs maximum) and you must link to the original source.

We will now be actively removing posts that contain:

Copyrighted articles that are reproduced in full or beyond what is considered to be 'fair dealing'.

Excerpts of articles that contain no link to the original source.

Please respect the copyright of others.

Hi Joe,

I welcome these measures you are taking.

The copyright world of the internet is a fuzzy minefield to those not legally conversed. Fair dealing is not as easily interpreted as one would think. As the internet itself is still developing I would like to see some straightforward easily understood and extremely easily available system of RULES for ordinary laymen, from the internet rulers so to speak.

Regards
Snake

Joe Blow · 7 May 2008

It's Snake Pliskin said:
Hi Joe,

I welcome these measures you are taking.

The copyright world of the internet is a fuzzy minefield to those not legally conversed. Fair dealing is not as easily interpreted as one would think. As the internet itself is still developing I would like to see some straightforward easily understood and extremely easily available system of RULES for ordinary laymen, from the internet rulers so to speak.

Regards
Snake

Thanks Snake.

Yes, the guidelines for the internet aren't quite as clear as I would like so a degree of caution is required when reproducing material on ASF that is sourced from other websites.

It is impossible for us to review every post on the forums so we appreciate any help in identifying posts that are in violation of copyright law so that we can deal with them ASAP.

GreatPig · 7 May 2008

It should also be noted that photos and cartoons are generally also copyrighted, and hotlinking to them is both a breach of copyright and considered bandwidth theft (unless expressly permitted).

But it's rather difficult to reproduce only 10% of a picture.

GP

Smurf1976 · 8 May 2008

I resent that it is necessary, it's just another symptom of too many lawyers and not enough commonsense IMO, but I acknowledge and accept that for ASF there is no alternative - don't post copyright material.

It's Snake Pliskin · 5 January 2009

Joe,

Just a thought regarding the posting of charts on the forum. What are the copyright problems for posters using freely available charts and posting a screen shot to use in a post? Does ASF have a policy on this that doesn't require the poster getting permission from the provider?

Wysiwyg · 5 January 2009

Hi snake, noticed you have a beef about posting information on the internet.Why is that.Thanks.

Joe Blow · 5 January 2009

It's Snake Pliskin said:
Joe,

Just a thought regarding the posting of charts on the forum. What are the copyright problems for posters using freely available charts and posting a screen shot to use in a post? Does ASF have a policy on this that doesn't require the poster getting permission from the provider?

Hi Snake,

My understanding that it is okay to use screenshots of charts for discussion on forums like ASF as it is considered to be fair use under copyright law.

It's Snake Pliskin · 5 January 2009

Joe Blow said:
Hi Snake,

My understanding that it is okay to use screenshots of charts for discussion on forums like ASF as it is considered to be fair use under copyright law.

Thanks for the response Joe.

Yes, all of this is difficult to interpret at times. Some terms say: "you can use one copy for your own personal use" but what does that mean? Perhaps the legalese could write a laymans copy for the majority.

Cheers.

Joe Blow · 3 February 2009

This is still an issue that some people do not seem to be taking seriously.

There are a few points that I want to make absolutely clear.

If you quote another source you must identify that source. If it's from the internet then a link will suffice. If it is an offline source then it must be identified by publication, name of article, author and page number. Posts with quotes from other sources that do not identify their source will be removed.
Please ensure that you separate the quoted part of your post from the rest of it. The best way of doing this is by using the 'quote' tags to identify the quoted part of your post: https://www.aussiestockforums.com/help/bb-codes#quote
Do not reproduce entire articles unless you have the permission of the copyright holder. If you do not then please only reproduce a small portion of the article and then supply a link to the entire article so those interested can click through and read it all.

Your co-operation in this matter is appreciated.

MrBurns · 13 February 2009

Here's the reponse from Crikey -

-----Original Message-----
From: Monica Maric [mailto:mmaric@privatemedia.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 13 February 2009 10:32 AM
To:
Subject: RE: copyright

Hi there-

It is fine. Go ahead with it.
Apologies for the delay.

Cheers,
monica maric|subscriptions coordinator & office administrator

crikey www.crikey.com.au
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phone: +61 3 8623 9900| fax: +61 3 8623 9975

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From:
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 1:45 PM
To: Monica Maric
Subject: RE: copyright

No reply yet ?

-----Original Message-----
From: Monica Maric [mailto:mmaric@privatemedia.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, 4 February 2009 3:26 PM
To:
Subject: RE: copyright

Hi there,

Thanks for your email. I have forwarded your email on - am just waiting on a reply. Will let you know asap.

Cheers,
monica maric|subscriptions coordinator & office administrator

crikey www.crikey.com.au
Level 7, 22 William St Melbourne, VIC, 3000
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From:
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:15 PM
To: Monica Maric
Subject: copyright

Hi Monica,

I'm a Crikey subscriber and as discussed I would like to reproduce some articles from the Crikey newsletter on the www.aussiestockforums.com
web site, as they have a general discussion section.

I would perhaps post a couple of articles a week sometimes, depends if they are relevant to current discussion on the site.

I always give the source of the article as Crikey but do not want to infringe on your copyright nor do Aussiestockforums therefore please confirm or otherwise if I am able to do this, I think it can only encourage subscribers to Crikey and spread the word a bit more.

Regards,

Joe Blow · 13 February 2009

Fair enough.

Joe Blow · 28 January 2010

Joe Blow said:
We will be getting tougher on flagrant copyright violations from this moment on. If you are reproducing copyright information on ASF from another source you must do so within the realms of the law.

You must only reproduce a small portion of the article (10% or one or two paragraphs maximum) and you must link to the original source.

We will now be actively removing posts that contain:

Copyrighted articles that are reproduced in full or beyond what is considered to be 'fair dealing'.

Excerpts of articles that contain no link to the original source.

Please report posts that are violating copyright law by using the 'Report a Post' function.

Just bumping this thread to remind everyone about their responsibilities when it comes to respecting the copyright of others. If you are posting material that is sourced from elsewhere on the internet it is imperative that:

You only reproduce a small amount of the source material in your post on ASF, unless the author has indicated that the material may be freely reproduced.
You link to the original source material so that others can read the rest of the article/information and assess the quality/reliability of the source.
You do not post any material (even an excerpt) from subscriber only newsletters. This information is intended for the newsletter subscribers only.

Thank you all for your attention and your co-operation.

Trembling Hand · 29 January 2010

Joe Blow said:
Just bumping this thread to remind everyone about their responsibilities when it comes to respecting the copyright of others. If you are posting material that is sourced from elsewhere on the internet it is imperative that:

I reckon you are going to need to do more than bumping a thread from time to time.

Something more along the lines of a pop window that explains it on log in, maybe every six months to remind people, and getting them to acknowledge cutting and pasting 2000 words from gurunewsletter.com anit no good

just a thought while flippin through the forum today

Joe Blow · 29 January 2010

Trembling Hand said:
I reckon you are going to need to do more than bumping a thread from time to time.

Something more along the lines of a pop window that explains it on log in, maybe every six months to remind people, and getting them to acknowledge cutting and pasting 2000 words from gurunewsletter.com anit no good

just a thought while flippin through the forum today

Yes, sadly it is a never ending struggle to get some people to abide by the site rules.

The moderators and I can only peruse so many posts and unfortunately there is quite a bit that does get by us. I would ask anybody who notices copyright being violated to please report the post so we can act as quickly as possible and remove it. The assistance of ASF members in helping us to identify posts that are in violation of site rules is invaluable and we appreciate any help that is offered.

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