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Will Craig Thomson finally give us some relief?

CCTV tapes are only required to be kept for a minimum of 24 hours (or more depending on other factors). There is no way in hell they would have CCTV from 5-7 years ago, and he knows that.

Apparently for brothels there is a requirement that they be kept for 5-7 years depending on the state.
 
I only heard bits of it but read separately that he said he wants the police to acquire and check the CCTV tapes for the days he is supposed to have been going to brothels which, he says, will demonstrate he wasn't there.

Julia
My interpretation of that was, it was not so much if he was there, but the tapes would have shown who else was there. And in that case any tapes he referred to would have been destroyed ages ago.
Because I think the boys got shouted!!
joea
 
It doesn't for me.

The onus of proof is on Carig Thomson to provide a tangable explanation for the expenditure on the HSU credit card for which he was responsible. If he wasn't personally responsible, he also needs to provide a tangable explanation as to why those transections wern't immediately acted upon once identified.

It's ultimately no more complex than that.

You make a fair point, but it could be more complex than you think. If he wasn't at the brothel at the times in question (and he says he has alibis for at least three occasions), then who was ? If the CCTV tapes are dug up, and no one with connections to Thomson turn up, how did the entries get on the card ? I still think that if he did use the brothel, leaving a trail like he did is absolute stupidity. He sounded more naive than stupid in his address, but I could be wrong about that.

He was responsible for authorising the credit card payments. Did he see the actual transactions, or just look at the final amount , or sign what a staff member gave him ?

I hope he can answer those questions.
 
I think we need to give him a fair go.

For those who don't believe a word of what he said today, I direct you to his closing remarks about Tony Abbot not being fit as either a PM or an MP.

Amen that.

Brad
 
He had a fair go today and failed to provide a satisfactory explanation for the transactions on his HSU credit card. Until he does that, his character assessments of others is not worth the hot air coming out of his mouth.
 
He had a fair go today and failed to provide a satisfactory explanation for the transactions on his HSU credit card. Until he does that, his character assessments of others is not worth the hot air coming out of his mouth.
So guilty until proven innocent then......
 
So guilty until proven innocent then......

That's about right, Stacks.

This isn't a criminal prosecution (yet). The reality is the body with the statutory power to investigate did so, and found him guilty as sin (so to speak).

Why is that so hard to accept?
 
I think we need to give him a fair go.

For those who don't believe a word of what he said today, I direct you to his closing remarks about Tony Abbot not being fit as either a PM or an MP.

Amen that.

Brad


Pottle, kettle.

Abbott doesn't have the same allegations as Thomson, and yet Thomson refuses to step aside while trying to make Abbott look worse than him?

If Thomson really believes Abbott is not fit to be an MP, what makes him think he is fit to be one? 1127 pages of FWA report? On his own beliefs, shouldn't Thompson step aside NOW?

Get real...
 
One thing is for sure, either Thompson or Jackson is a liar of the first order....it really comes down to who do you believe.

As far as his comments about Abbott go , Abbott;s not the one who has to prove he didn't spend other peoples money on prostitutes.:rolleyes:
 
So guilty until proven innocent then......

The innocent until proven guilty doctrine is something that applies in the Court system. There's no reason for the public to pretend someone is innocent if they are found holding a smoking gun.
 
So guilty until proven innocent then......
Guilty that his HSU credit card was used for improper purposes ?

Guilty.

Craig Thomson himself is not denying that position against the weight of evidence, nor is the government. He is rather trying to come up with exotic explanations to buy time for himself and the government.

These explanations however fail to address his responsibilities for the management of that credit card and the expenditure therein. This will ultimately be his and the Labor government's undoing.
 
One thing is for sure, either Thompson or Jackson is a liar of the first order....it really comes down to who do you believe.

Dont beleive either of them, lying with their snouts in the trough of union members dues.

Her partner being 2IC at Fair Work makes the report lamentably conflicted imo
 
We already know beyond a shadow of a doubt he's a lying scumbag.

On May 18 2011 FWA received an email from Mr Thomson further stating that Fairfax had settled, Mr Thomson told FWA, because its own handwriting expert had concluded "the signatures on the credit card forms [for brothel receipts] were forged". He was also able to prove that his former wife, Christa, "was with me at the precise times the card was being used in locations in Sydney", he told FWA.

"The statements ... made by you to FWA were false," Fairfax Media, the publisher of the Herald, said in a legal letter to Mr Thomson.

"Fairfax is extremely concerned that you have deliberately misled FWA in relation to the statements made by you ... and the circumstances leading to the settlement of the proceedings brought by you."

These statements are false and Fairfax has written to Mr Thomson demanding that he correct them with FWA.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...explanation-20120521-1z0wx.html#ixzz1vV2zaweM
 
This was not news to me, he has said this before (in a brief interview a week or so ago I think).
Then I wonder why no media has followed it up? Perhaps because of the understanding, provided on this thread, that such footage is destroyed after 24 hours. Media would, if that's the case, have simply dismissed the suggestion by Thomson as more of his ravings.

This is the first time I've seen parliament for awhile, can't understand why they brought in Anna Burke as speaker instead of getting Harry Jenkin back :confused:
Because Anna Burke is the Deputy Speaker.

It doesn't for me.

The onus of proof is on Carig Thomson to provide a tangable explanation for the expenditure on the HSU credit card for which he was responsible. If he wasn't personally responsible, he also needs to provide a tangable explanation as to why those transections wern't immediately acted upon once identified.

It's ultimately no more complex than that.
Yes, you're quite right.

With respect to video tape of the brothels, weren't some of them escorts anyway (i.e. the ones that go to your hotel room :eek: ).
Yep that occurred to me also. Why would any CCTV footage show Thomson actually at the brothel if he had made a call out for a prostitute to come to his hotel room.
Presumably the girls carry EFTPOS facilities for outcalls?

I think we need to give him a fair go.

For those who don't believe a word of what he said today, I direct you to his closing remarks about Tony Abbot not being fit as either a PM or an MP.

Amen that.

Brad
Brad, that's pretty silly. Tony Abbott does not stand accused of any impropriety.
Your disliking him hardly disqualifies him from being a decent person and/or well qualified to be an MP.
That ridiculous statement from Thomson imo put the seal on his delusional state of mind.
 
We already know beyond a shadow of a doubt he's a lying scumbag.

On May 18 2011 FWA received an email from Mr Thomson further stating that Fairfax had settled, Mr Thomson told FWA, because its own handwriting expert had concluded "the signatures on the credit card forms [for brothel receipts] were forged". He was also able to prove that his former wife, Christa, "was with me at the precise times the card was being used in locations in Sydney", he told FWA.

"The statements ... made by you to FWA were false," Fairfax Media, the publisher of the Herald, said in a legal letter to Mr Thomson.

"Fairfax is extremely concerned that you have deliberately misled FWA in relation to the statements made by you ... and the circumstances leading to the settlement of the proceedings brought by you."

These statements are false and Fairfax has written to Mr Thomson demanding that he correct them with FWA.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...explanation-20120521-1z0wx.html#ixzz1vV2zaweM

Good to have Fairfax's slant on it which dispels Thomson's statement that Fairfax "settled with him". Makes a world of difference.
 
The innocent until proven guilty doctrine is something that applies in the Court system. There's no reason for the public to pretend someone is innocent if they are found holding a smoking gun.
Unless someone else had used the gun and then threw it to them as the police walked around the corner.....It could happen you know. If phone spoofing is possible......

Im not defending Thompson, I'm saying that he has raised some doubt as to who actually used the card. His objective today no doubt. Either he or Ms Jackson and Mr Bolano are lying. I dont know which, for certain, do you?
 
Unless someone else had used the gun and then threw it to them as the police walked around the corner.....It could happen you know. If phone spoofing is possible......

Im not defending Thompson, I'm saying that he has raised some doubt as to who actually used the card. His objective today no doubt. Either he or Ms Jackson and Mr Bolano are lying. I dont know which, for certain, do you?

I keep coming back to this. If someone else used the card, then Thomson himself admits that he has no explanation for why he signed off on the monthly statements, knowing all the while that someone was out to 'set him up with hookers'.

And come on - this "I don't know which, for certain" is a cop out isn't it? I don't know for certain Ivan Milat is a serial killer, do you? He, like Thomson, keeps saying he's innocent. Is that all you need?
 
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