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Will bond markets collapse?

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With the difficulties Europe is having with recent bond issues, is it possible (likely?) that the bond market collapses? Many investors, including myself, have a large proportion in bonds. Would be interested to hear the views of anyone with a knowledge of the bond markets. Mine is basically basic!
 
The EU market has basically collapsed already - hasn't it? If Germany can't sell bonds, I fail to see how anyone else can, let alone at a rate which leaves the country solvent.

Kicking the can down the road no longer works; the speculative part is whether they can do what is necessary to move forward.

If not, then I would be buying the US. But that is speculation. See what Goldman Sachs is advising and do the opposite.
 
Interesting analysis by the ABC's Alan Kohler,


That, if true, can only end like any other bubble.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-07/kohler-bond-vigilantes-buy-the-silence-of-our-banks/3716528
 
An interesting read -

 
Unseen for years, ANZ Banking Group offered investors a 4.053 per cent coupon to buy its new three-year fixed rate bonds on Thursday, as part of a wider $4 billion Aussie bond deal.
 
Unseen for years, ANZ Banking Group offered investors a 4.053 per cent coupon to buy its new three-year fixed rate bonds on Thursday, as part of a wider $4 billion Aussie bond deal.
LOL

i would be looking for 10% even if semi-secured but subordinated , 3 years is going to be one hell of a ( bumpy ) road trip
 
question ??
how are these bond-holders getting RICH on a 2% coupon per year on a ( allegedly ) safe investment ( because a stressed government is liable to PRINT it's way out , rather than tighten the budget

that is 2% DESPITE official CPI rates are much higher ( pick a number for the actual inflation )

answer : leverage those bonds 4x or 5x using a derivative cocktail

i am not sure what Alan is sniffing but Hunter Biden will buy some , almost certainly
 
BTW last i read super funds needed to generate 8% a return per year to grow the nest egg to give it some chance of being a sustainable income ( for the future retiree )

so some pension funds must be a total train-wreck , or taking on crazy-brave risk profiles

and surely Alan Kohler would remember that

i saw what was happening to my super between 1995 and 2005 so in 2010 i took the opportunity to liquidate it ( it did a lot better as AMP shares between 2011 to 2018 , than it did in the super fund ( run by experts )
 
what if is scary enough thanks , if i looked at what is i would need a second cocktail of medications to cope
- Better if you get the first cocktail settings right, pal.

Asset markets are emerging from a decade of rampant bond yield manipulation undertaken by the world’s largest central banks. Quantitative easing (QE) was the tool utilized by central banks.

In the main, central banks effectively printed money, targeted a particular bond yield/s in markets and then intervened by secondary market purchases to attain that yield. Over time, central banks became the largest owners of their government bonds. For instance, in the US, the Federal Reserve owns about US$7 trillion of bonds out of the approximate $30 trillion on issue. In Japan, the BoJ owns around 50% of all Japanese government bonds...


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...after QE, the tightening (QT) will add to the supply of bond issuance by governments and more so if governments do not concurrently bring their fiscal deficits back into order. The effect of a seemingly endless supply of bonds means that bond prices will be under pressure and yields will likely rise. This explains why US 10-year bond yields are beginning to rise even whilst measures of US inflation decline. Expect a similar scenario to play out across European and Australian bond markets.

How higher yields may affect asset allocation​

Rising bond yields mean that the ‘risk free rate of return’ or the ‘risk free investment hurdle’ will lift and be a headwind for the pricing of all assets in the coming few years. This leads to the following conclusions for both Asset Allocation and assets prices over the next year:

1. Long dated bond yields (past five years) will continue to rise leading to capital losses that offset higher yields.

2. Shorter dated bonds (maturity of less than two years) are preferred as they currently match or exceed expected inflation and the risk of capital loss (via market prices) is not high.

3. Rated corporate debt is preferred to bonds as the repricing of long-dated bonds flows through. Staying short in maturity is desirable (up to three years). Mortgage-backed securities and hybrids are already seeing higher running yields and will be weighted into diversified portfolios as a core income generator.

4. Cash rate settings will remain elevated for longer than generally expected. Whilst cash rates in the US will likely fall during 2024, the same cannot be expected for Europe or Australia.

5. Equity P/E ratios will moderately decline with bond prices, so investors need to focus on companies that will grow earnings greater than and offset P/E compression. This will be difficult (short term) as economies slow with tight credit conditions being maintained over the next year.

6. Importantly, the longer-term growth outlook for Australia remains positive and far superior to Europe. The current weak AUD reflects negative “real” cash rates that won’t reverse until mid-2024. This suggests that a re-weighting to Australian equities from international equities or a currency hedge should be considered at some point early in 2024.

7. Rising bond yields will lead to a lift in capitalization rates for property with the commercial sector remaining under pressure. Non-discretionary retail (suburban shopping centres), industrial and agriculture will also experience cap-rate compression but offer better growth to offset this and particularly taking a five-year view.

- John Abernathy (Clime)

 
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