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RichKid said:
Also, what do you recommend from what has worked for you- tapes or classes?
I've been learning Mandarin on and off, but haven't had a lot of time to get all that far. I have tapes (which I've sampled into MP3 files now) and a book for the spoken language, and other books and dictionaries for the written language. Last time I was in Beijing I also bought a VCD language series, but have found that rather slow - although more modern than the other material (which I got in the early '80s). I've never done classes.

Initially the most difficult thing is the tonal system, where each syllable can have four different tonal inflections that have different meanings. The grammar itself is relatively simple. The writing is difficult of course, but not quite as bad as it may seem initially. Characters are structured from smaller radicals, which makes remembering them a little easier (although still not easy). And I think it's rather difficult to remember characters unless you also learn to write them.

Be aware that there are quite different accents of Mandarin, depending on where the speaker is from. For example, natives of Shanghai sound quite different to natives of Beijing. I think it's best to learn the stronger Beijing accent, which is more sibilant and gutteral - but probably encountered less often around here.

Also, there are traditional and simplified characters (for a relatively small subset of the characters), the latter being used in the PRC but the former just about everywhere else. The simplified ones are easier to learn of course, but don't expect to be able to recognise one from the other.

Once you've got into the language a bit, a good way to get exposure in this part of the world is to watch Chinese movies on DVD, where you can select Mandarin spoken language and also Mandarin subtitles (don't use English subtitles, as it's extremely difficult to follow the spoken language while you're trying to read English at the same time, especially when the English is often nothing like the Mandarin being spoken). They make some pretty good movies too - and some very long ones. My wife, who's Asian and can speak and read Mandarin pretty well, recently watched a series (actually made in Korea but set in China) that consisted of about 60 one hour episodes. I watched bits of it, but my Mandarin's not that good yet to follow it very well. Still, just listening to the language without understanding everything that's being said is still beneficial.

Overall, if you like languages, it's a lot of fun. I just wish I had more time...

GP
 
GreatPig said:
Overall, if you like languages, it's a lot of fun. I just wish I had more time...
GP

Thanks for the help GP, very useful, my problem is time too, just trying to have a good go at it at the start so I can bed down the fundamentals is difficult with so many things to do. I like the movie idea, I found after the Japanese class that I could at least pick up tiny bits here and there. I thought Mandarin and Japanese would be just as hard grammatically, glad it isn't, but then again it would probably vary by individual. It's a good thing we live in a multicultural society- getting hold of learning resources and opportunities to practise shouldn't be that hard.

A tip: I've been told that if you approach learning a language as a hobby then the relaxation that goes with it makes it easier, sometimes when you strain too much at something you don't quite get it all in. On the other hand doing a course at TAFE or Uni might be more productive since you learn as a group and you're taught be experienced teachers.
 
Evening all,

I lived in Japan for four years and found that THE best book for learning nihongo is without a doubt "Japanese made easy" by Tazuko Ajiro Monane, published through Tuttle language library.

The beauty of this book is that it spells it all out for you, gives you the correct sentence structure and most importantly is RELEVANT and USABLE in everyday situations.

I began with Japanese for busy people but found it boring and cumbersome to lug around with me.


Cheers!
 
Learning new language can set back inset of dementia, so it is worth while to wrestle the brain muscles.
 
Being the Redneck that I am, I speak with a southern accent. I picked it up from all my years of living so close to Alabama. What do y'all think. Is that a foreign language or just another form of the English language.
 
websman said:
Being the Redneck that I am, I speak with a southern accent. I picked it up from all my years of living so close to Alabama. What do y'all think. Is that a foreign language or just another form of the English language.

I've heard that in the Southern drawl 'the words kinda just leeeeean ooooon toooooo eeeeeeach-otherrrrrr...' em, that didn't come out right...
 
websman said:
Being the Redneck that I am, I speak with a southern accent. I picked it up from all my years of living so close to Alabama. What do y'all think. Is that a foreign language or just another form of the English language.

I've heard that in the Southern drawl 'the words kinda just leeeeean-ooooon-toooooo-eeeeeeach-otherrrrrr...' em, that didn't come out right...
 
sam76 said:
Evening all,

I lived in Japan for four years and found that THE best book for learning nihongo is without a doubt "Japanese made easy" by Tazuko Ajiro Monane, published through Tuttle language library.

The beauty of this book is that it spells it all out for you, gives you the correct sentence structure and most importantly is RELEVANT and USABLE in everyday situations.

I began with Japanese for busy people but found it boring and cumbersome to lug around with me.


Cheers!
Sorry for the late reply Sam, I'll have a look at it for sure.
 
RichKid said:
I've heard that in the Southern drawl 'the words kinda just leeeeean-ooooon-toooooo-eeeeeeach-otherrrrrr...' em, that didn't come out right...

Hey dude, you should get a plane ticket and come hang out with Lye and me. Lye makes the best 105 proof Apple Brandy I've ever tasted. It looks like water, but it'll knock the ---- out of you in no time.

Us southerners are actually proud of our accents and wouldn't change it for anything. Of course, I think the Aussie accent is awsome too. You guys rock! You fellas have every right to be proud of your language, customs and country.
 
johnno261 said:
Speak Thai as a second language.
"Lah Gorn , yet maa"


Sabai dee rue?

Johnno, I'm looking to learn to a lot more thai as I'm looking to do more importing from there. I'm also looking for more advanced Kymer.


Any hints on where to start in australia?

Cheers,
 
I am married to a Brazilian, travel there every so often and love the place. But after many attempts to learn Portugeuse I am going to invest in an electronic translator for the next trip .:bonk: NO FALA PORTUGEUSE
 
English, Indonesian, Tetum, Spanish.

All poorly.

Born in Melbs, studied Indon and East Timorese in the Army, worked as a translater in East Timor, and been in Peru for 2 or so years.
 
"Sedikit Bahasa Indonesia" enough to get by and not get ripped off. ALL the Italian swear words (learned from being a brickies labourer for 2 Italians)
 
English, Indonesian, Tetum, Spanish.

All poorly.

Born in Melbs, studied Indon and East Timorese in the Army, worked as a translater in East Timor, and been in Peru for 2 or so years.

u missed math
or is it yr primary language....
 
I did 5 languages in school, but whatever I remember is mostly locked away in the back of my brain. No better time than now to brush off the cobwebs though!

Interesing what you say about it being easier to learn in Japan, perhaps it's the setting and ability to practise daily.

That's it. If you want to learn a language quickly, move somewhere that speaks it.
 
I did 5 languages in school, but whatever I remember is mostly locked away in the back of my brain. No better time than now to brush off the cobwebs though!

That's it. If you want to learn a language quickly, move somewhere that speaks it.
The key is to be able to think in a different language. Not translate the idea, but to think in the idea.
 
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