Who are you voting for?

[hangseng]

Everyone over the age of 65 should not have the right to vote, given the increased risks of senility, early onset dimentia and parkinsons. This age could even be lowered because some people as young as 50 already suffer from these symptoms, albeit unrecognised to themselves and as yet, undiagnosed.

A long bow you draw there chops. Increased risk there may be, however also there are placed the wisest of sages we should be listening to and learning from. I learnt more from a dying man in his 80's than I ever did at school or uni. The same learnings that have aided and taken me through to the successes I enjoy today.

Your nic heading says it all "Can't Learn By Reading A Book!". What a shame most young people think this is how you learn what life is really about.

 

[doctorj]

Rather than discriminate based on age, I'd like to see some kind of exam administered to allow people to prove they are suitable to vote. The test should include questions about current world affairs, the policies of major political parties and a basic IQ test.

 

[chops_a_must]

A long bow you draw there chops. Increased risk there may be, however also there are placed the wisest of sages we should be listening to and learning from. I learnt more from a dying man in his 80's than I ever did at school or uni. The same learnings that have aided and taken me through to the successes I enjoy today.

Your nic heading says it all "Can't Learn By Reading A Book!". What a shame most young people think this is how you learn what life is really about.

It's a quote from Howard! Ahahahahahaha! And most young people don't read books...

I've seen very few 80 year olds give any sort of solutions for the problems my generation will be facing.

The point was, and I wasn't being serious with what I said, I'm just demonstrating the absurdity of the position; that voting discrimination based on age is silly. Anyone handing out how to vote cards would know of people that have no idea who is Labor and who is Liberal, those are the people that shouldn't be allowed to vote.

 

[hangseng]

It's a quote from Howard! Ahahahahahaha! And most young people don't read books...

I've seen very few 80 year olds give any sort of solutions for the problems my generation will be facing.

The point was, and I wasn't being serious with what I said, I'm just demonstrating the absurdity of the position; that voting discrimination based on age is silly. Anyone handing out how to vote cards would know of people that have no idea who is Labor and who is Liberal, those are the people that shouldn't be allowed to vote.

"I've seen very few 80 year olds give any sort of solutions for the problems my generation will be facing."

So you believe they don't know what it is like to be young? The young should open their minds to what these people have to offer (and they have so much), instead of believing they already know it all and have 'been there done that'.

 

[chops_a_must]

"I've seen very few 80 year olds give any sort of solutions for the problems my generation will be facing."

So you believe they don't know what it is like to be young? The young should open their minds to what these people have to offer (and they have so much), instead of believing they already know it all and have 'been there done that'.

Old people should look at what young people have to offer. It's a two way street...

 

[RichKid]

"I've seen very few 80 year olds give any sort of solutions for the problems my generation will be facing."

So you believe they don't know what it is like to be young? The young should open their minds to what these people have to offer (and they have so much), instead of believing they already know it all and have 'been there done that'.

The old believe everything. The middle-aged suspect everything. The young know everything. (Oscar Wilde)

After observing this recent exchange I wonder if Mr Wilde got it right?

.....but the die has been cast ladies and gentlemen, for the next term at least...

fwiw, everyone in society has a place and something to contribute, the young are often at the forefront of technological change- often to the benefit of the old (eg biotechnology). OTOH, I for one love reading biographies, many of the more enjoyable ones are written be those in the last quarter of their lifespan...and yes, they do have much to offer, certainly to this young man.

 

[numbercruncher]

Weve climed Mount Everest, now we are headed for the North Pole !




ps. 68 is a good age to retire at anyways ...

 

[numbercruncher]

Mr Howard is getting absolutely wooped in Bennelong, looks like if Libs blag it, it'll be Costello for pm ??

 

[Wysiwyg]

Life is all about how others see you.

 

[numbercruncher]

Life is all about how others see you.

Exactly! and only if Mr Howard and the liberals had heard this advice some time ago the swing wouldnt be as positively massive as it is at the moment.

Amazing swing of votes!

 

[hangseng]

Old people should look at what young people have to offer. It's a two way street...

I agree

 

[numbercruncher]

I agree

WOW - Rudd is having an effect on people already !!


Welcome to the new tolerant, cooperative , progressive Australia

 

[Julia]

The old believe everything. The middle-aged suspect everything. The young know everything. (Oscar Wilde)

After observing this recent exchange I wonder if Mr Wilde got it right?

.....but the die has been cast ladies and gentlemen, for the next term at least...

fwiw, everyone in society has a place and something to contribute, the young are often at the forefront of technological change- often to the benefit of the old (eg biotechnology). OTOH, I for one love reading biographies, many of the more enjoyable ones are written be those in the last quarter of their lifespan...and yes, they do have much to offer, certainly to this young man.

Good to see at least one young man has not succumbed to the arrogance displayed by some others on this thread. Thanks, Rich, for restoring the balance somewhat and displaying some civility and sense.

 

[hangseng]

WOW - Rudd is having an effect on people already !!


Welcome to the new tolerant, cooperative , progressive Australia

You jest!

I have always been there, the reason I refused to succumb to union pressures long ago as an apprentice. Rudd or Labour will never influence me, nor narrow minded views so often portrayed.

Labour are regressive and it will show again as it has done so many times before. I hope you don't own any uranium shares in Australian leasehold companies.

Watch Kevin Reynolds and Joe McDonald welcomed back to the Labour fold with all being forgiven. As they said "we're comin back"

Good luck.

 

[explod]

I think there is some splitting of hairs a bit to turn arguments. The emergence of Latham handed the 04 election to Johnny on a plate.

This thread has turned into part of the true blue and born to rule line of desperation. Like the old tactics of the DLP many years ago. It failed then and will fail again.

People are looking for fresh air at a time when they sense difficult times ahead. Howard's speak is almost condescending and the rank and file always revolt against being put down.

The ALP will romp it in.

I particularly liked the way Rudd focused outside of himself on to the jobs to be done.

Johnny was self centred and that tendacy has always been the downfall of the conservatives.

 

[Rafa]

I'm expecting a Labor win to be reasonably apparent around 8 - 9 pm but no official acceptance as such until maybe 10 -11. Just my guess of course.

Smurf... How come you know it all

 

[chops_a_must]

Good to see at least one young man has not succumbed to the arrogance displayed by some others on this thread. Thanks, Rich, for restoring the balance somewhat and displaying some civility and sense.

I don't think I was being arrogant on this thread Julia. Providing a counter argument or an extension of the opposite's position hardly counts as arrogance...

I love old people. They form most of my clientele. And I especially learn a hell of a lot from my nan who remains one of the sharpest people I've ever met. And if I have given an impression otherwise, it was a mistaken one.

 

[chops_a_must]

Labour are regressive and it will show again as it has done so many times before. I hope you don't own any uranium shares in Australian leasehold companies.

Watch Kevin Reynolds and Joe McDonald welcomed back to the Labour fold with all being forgiven. As they said "we're comin back"

Good luck.

Regressive? Hmmm... As opposed to moving towards a culture akin to Mississippi in the 50s?


And I don't think they will be able to make a comeback. They were already outlawed by every other union apart from their own, well before the election. Unions WA for instance, wont even speak to them. Not very well known, but true none the less.

P.S. - looks like my eco-tech shares might be in for a bit of a bull run.

 

[Aussiejeff]

Well, well.

Sadly for the naysayers, it looks like the media polls were in the ballpark all along. Even the call a few weeks back that John Howard had a real battle on his hands against Maxine have come to fruition.

Maybe at the next elections, the media polls will be regarded with a little less scepticism?

As for the ASF polls which consistently (but mistakenly) showed an easy coalition win would be the result - well, that was probably consistent given the likely background of the majority of respondents here.

AJ

 

[2020hindsight]

So it's ok to let the mad Moollars get the bomb ?...
...anti-Americanism from left voters....

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/04/2109658.htm?section=justin

US Democrats call for change of course on Iran
Posted Tue Dec 4, 2007 6:08pm AEDT

The opposition Democrats in the United States have called for a rethink of policy towards Iran, now that it appears the Iranian Government is not trying to develop a nuclear weapon.

The latest National Intelligence Estimate says Iran stopped trying to develop a nuclear weapon in 2003.

In a sign of the pivotal importance this report might turn out to have, the Democrats have seized on it suggesting that it changes everything, or ought to.

Their leader in the Senate, Harry Reed, has called for a surge of diplomacy with Iran, an emulation of Ronald Reagan's engagement of the Soviet Union.

Such a view is easier to argue in the US after this report, wth its central finding that Iran had a nuclear weapons program but stopped it in 2003 and has probably not reinstated it.

- BBC