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Who are you voting for?

Who will you vote for?

  • Labor

    Votes: 74 37.2%
  • Liberal

    Votes: 92 46.2%
  • National

    Votes: 2 1.0%
  • Other with LIB/Nat preference

    Votes: 7 3.5%
  • Other with a Labor preference

    Votes: 13 6.5%
  • Greens

    Votes: 11 5.5%

  • Total voters
    199
  • Poll closed .
I believe a lot of people are toying with the notion of Rudd, they're fascinated by all of his appearances on talk-shows, & what not - but, I doubt he'll win. Fear of Labor will triumph at the end of the day, and fear of change.

I will be taking that $4 bet actually, I'll put a couple of hundred on it for a kick

I guess there is some silver-lining though, if Labor win that is. They'll be blamed for any possible recession; and we won't see them in a fed position again for another decade or 2
 
Excellent points.
Really makes you wonder what they will actually do with the IR laws when they get in.... I mean they say that they will do this and that but like Peter Garrett said, they will just change it all once they get in.

Cheers

You know Mint Man we should all vote Labor this time and give Australia a "GOOD DOSE OF HARD LABOUR" for 3 years and then we can kick them out for another decade. Trouble is what a mess to clean up after they stuff things up. I would hate to be in the Coalition Party that finally kicks Labor out of Queensland and it will happen! They will have years of infrastructure to catch up on ; health, education, water storage etc.etc.etc.
There is nothing like learning the hard way when a die hard can't be told.
 
You can't learn from reading a book? WTF?

Hi Chops

I just noticed the message on the bottom of your posts.

"You learn by experience. You have to go through things to actually understand it"

Isn't that pretty much Howard's point exactly.

Duckman
 
or maybe we should just vote Liberal again so they can stand by and let the education and health system collapse, strip every employee of their rights, embark on a few more wars for oil, killing and displacing hundreds of thousands of people, build Nuclear reactors all over the country side all while beleiving that our hole in the ground economy will support the nation for eternity.

Then when it all collapses maybe theyll be gone for a few decades ?
 
or maybe we should just vote Liberal again so they can stand by and let the education and health system collapse, strip every employee of their rights, embark on a few more wars for oil, killing and displacing hundreds of thousands of people,?

Isn't that what we did three years ago?
 
Hi Chops

I just noticed the message on the bottom of your posts.

"You learn by experience. You have to go through things to actually understand it"

Isn't that pretty much Howard's point exactly.

Duckman

No.

Because it's flawed by his adventures in Iraq. Supporting the US wrongly in regards to Vietnam has not stopped him wrongly supporting the US in Iraq.
 
Because it's flawed by his adventures in Iraq. Supporting the US wrongly in regards to Vietnam has not stopped him wrongly supporting the US in Iraq.

spot on chops
question is, will that idiot Bush attack Iran as well.
thanks god we won't have "MT Johnny" around to follow him there as well

ps MT = "me too" of course
 
I have a question for you true blue liberals....

How do you tolerate a leader, who despite his rhetoric, has managed to turn Australia into a welfare state... or more specifically... a middle class welfare state.

I can understand a lot of you supporting Costello and his views as part of the HR Nicholls society, because ideologically that fits... But Howard has in many ways, outdone labor and has managed to turn Australia, whilst in the midst of boom condition, to also have record welfare payments! Do we really need things like the baby bonus (for spending on plasma tv's), medicare safety net (which helps those who go to the most expensive doctors), private health insurance rebate (for those rich enough to afford private health cover), childcare rebate and now the education fees tax deduction (again going to those who pay fees) when that money collectively could quite possibly fix the problems in health, education and child care?

Whatever happened to small govt liberals...??? I would rather the welfare be focussed on those who really need it, and the rest of my taxes given back, thank you very much.



http://www.smh.com.au/news/federal-...pms-aspirations/2007/11/20/1195321782677.html
 
No.

Because it's flawed by his adventures in Iraq. Supporting the US wrongly in regards to Vietnam has not stopped him wrongly supporting the US in Iraq.

Moreover, aside from the lessons of Vietnam, Howard's own disastrous experience in Iraq, has only encouraged him to dig a deeper hole for Australia but also Iraq. :swear:
 
I have a question for you true blue liberals....

How do you tolerate a leader, who despite his rhetoric, has managed to turn Australia into a welfare state... or more specifically... a middle class welfare state.

This is exactly the reason I've gone off the Liberals (aside from the Iraq farce and America sycophancy).

It's pork barreling of the first order, and if many Liberals were honest with themselves, they've been pork barreled.
 
Do we really need things like the baby bonus (for spending on plasma tv's)
No. We do not. The baby bonus is encouraging breeding amongst those least likely to make a contribution to our society.
But has Labor suggested abolishing this? No.


medicare safety net (which helps those who go to the most expensive doctors)
I don't think that's really a fair comment. I see many people on very low incomes who have sick children or are ill themselves, who really benefit from this. There is considerable uniformity in doctors' fees overall so I don't think well off people necessarily incur greater medical bills.

private health insurance rebate (for those rich enough to afford private health cover)
Rafa, I don't believe having private health insurance is a measure of one's financial situation at all. I had a number of years when I was really poor - even had to depend on a government sickness benefit for a while - but always chose to go without something else to pay for private cover.
It has nothing to do with wealth or elitism. It simply has to do with complete lack of faith in the public health system.

childcare rebate and now the education fees tax deduction (again going to those who pay fees) when that money collectively could quite possibly fix the problems in health, education and child care?
The childcare rebate seems unreasonable to me, but again have Labor said they will abolish this? I don't think so. I might well feel differently if I needed childcare personally. Easy to say it's unimportant when I don't personally benefit from it.
No objection to any rebates to do with any aspect of education. It is the backbone of any decent society.

Whatever happened to small govt liberals...??? I would rather the welfare be focussed on those who really need it, and the rest of my taxes given back, thank you very much.p

This is where we differ. I would much prefer the tax cuts not to happen.
The benefits to individuals are not that great, but the benefit of that amount as a whole spent on, say, health would be of benefit to all of us.

I understand absolutely your point about middle class welfare, and your resentment that these rebates etc appear to be going to people who least seem to need it. I'm just suggesting that what appears to be is not always the case and that it's very, very difficult to separate out any welfare measure into those who genuinely need it and those who don't.


http://www.smh.com.au/news/federal-...pms-aspirations/2007/11/20/1195321782677.html
 
Skint, thanks for a really useful post. I didn't come here to live until 1993 so I'm interested in what you say.
And yep, it's crystal clear, thanks!
 
Remember, it's only the Liberal Party that can keep this advertising boom going.

actually $196 million last financial year -
plus (says Rudd) approx $1 million per day since.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/11/19/2095035.htm
 
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2092980.htm


http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2074467.htm

 
Oh dear. After last nights fiasco (where Lib party members were expelled over the distribution of racial slur pamphlets trying to implicate Labor with Islamic terrorism) in Jackie Kelly's seat - including distribution by her hubby - the best defence so far offered (by Jackie I believe) is that it was meant to be sort of tongue-in-cheek campaign move!!

Crikey, the poo is hitting the fan thick and fast for both sides now, but this doozy takes the cake.......

Good luck explaining this one, Johnny.


AJ

PS: Good grief, Jackie is on the radio now saying "it was only a funny prank... it's terrible that Labor goons mounted a Chaser style operation to catch my husband and his colleagues...." ... she is a seriously sick puppy to think that this won't hurt the Liberal Party "at all". Go figure.
 
It should be obvious to voters by now just how dodgy and dishonest the Liberals have become , look at this one from a few months back ....


http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/asio-agent-heffernan-makes-odd-calls/2007/06/23/1182019436635.html
 

Same tactics used by every party at every election - nothing new, it is either Labor gets caught or Liberal.

In my electorate, Bennelong, I have seen posters go up one day, to drive by the next to see it defaced or gone entirely, then replaced with a new one or with one from an opposing party and then the cycle starts again - that goes for Labor, Liberal, Democrat, Christian Democrat ..........
 
spot on chops
question is, will that idiot Bush attack Iran as well.
thanks god we won't have "MT Johnny" around to follow him there as well

ps MT = "me too" of course

So it's ok to let the mad Moollars get the bomb ?...

...anti-Americanism from left voters....
 
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