Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

Looks like the 'Wall' is going up.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/s...asted-for-border-wall-construction/ar-BBZM8Mt

I have contact to a *lot of my American colleagues via a private profession based Facebook group. They would be 90-95% Trump supporters. FYI, this is the typical thought process of these men and women.

"In the election of 2016, when offered the choice between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, sixty three million Americans chose Donald Trump. The President carried thirty States as compared to Clinton's twenty. These numbers do not mean that all who voted for Trump believed he was the ideal man for the job. Only that he was the better choice of the two most viable candidates. When deciding on a candidate, there are other considerations that go well beyond the individual who is running for election. Those considerations are rooted in a large number of domestic and foreign policy expectations.

When the political Left attacks Americans who voted for Donald Trump, they are attempting to create the illusion that your voting choice was somehow limited in consideration to the character and personality of the individual candidate. What they actually know, and willfully fail to acknowledge, is the very reasonable presumption that your vote had far more to do with a desire for sweeping changes across all branches of government. What the "elitists" refuse to acknowledge, is that Americans didn't just vote for Donald Trump in 2016. They voted in favor of a more conservative agenda at nearly all levels of government. This reality terrifies the political Left. They know that the President represents only a temporary position, but that his power while in that position can effect change that will last for years beyond his term of office.

So when we read or hear of the attacks on the President and those that voted for him, it is important to remember that those attacks aren't really about Donald Trump or about you. Those attacks are about fear. Fear of change that the political left abhors. Fear of undermining the plans they have to completely destroy the individual liberties of a free people.

The political Left detests the founding Judeo/Christian principles of western civilization. They detest your right to be secure in your privacy, your property and your person. They detest the notion that a free man is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They detest the strength and stability found in traditional family values. They detest the notion of borders and a sovereign nation. They detest the notion that assurance of equal opportunity does not come with a guarantee of equal outcome. They detest the notion that those who are not citizens of this nation are not afforded the opportunity to vote in support of their destructive agenda. They detest the Constitutionally guaranteed electoral college that prevents the mob rule they desperately need to control you. And perhaps most, they detest the reality that they are forbidden the power to infringe upon your right to keep and bear arms in defense of your freedoms.

Yes, those on the political left honestly do hate you. But perhaps more importantly, they fear you and, in my humble opinion, they should."

wayneL said:

I have contact to a *lot of my American colleagues via a private profession based Facebook group. They would be 90-95% Trump supporters. FYI, this is the typical thought process of these men and women.

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Right Wing redneck ideology I'm afraid, again a limited sample size.

There are a lot of problems with the "Left", but there are more problems with the "Right" afaic. And while some people concentrate on the fringes of the political spectrum the great middle American public just get on with their lives.

SirRumpole said:

Right Wing nutcase ideology I'm afraid, again a limited sample size.

There are a lot of problems with the "Left", but there are more problems with the "Right" afaic. And while some people concentrate on the fringes of the political spectrum the great middle American public just get on with their lives.

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You'd be surprised how mainstream it is once you get away from California and Massachusetts.

I also have several relatives there, many of whom share most of these views.

It's just FYI to get a glimpse of why Trump will most likely win again.

wayneL said:

You'd be surprised how mainstream it is

It's just FYI to get a glimpse of why Trump will most likely win again.

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Not surprised at all and yes Trump will most certainly get another term.

But reading that takes you straight to Nazi Germany (not calling your friends Nazi's BTW) where the demonisation of the other side (In Nazi Germany's case Jews, unions anyone left all called communists etc) using a totally false narrative that's then repeated in the community.

This is the power of manipulation using fear which in psychology is a lot more powerful than positive motivation, its sad really.

IFocus said:

But reading that takes you straight to Nazi Germany (not calling your friends Nazi's BTW) where the demonisation of the other side (In Nazi Germany's case Jews, unions anyone left all called communists etc) using a totally false narrative that's then repeated in the community.

This is the power of manipulation using fear which in psychology is a lot more powerful than positive motivation, its sad really.

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Whoa there Sapphire!

Name calling from the left (which you implicitly just did, in spite of your preemptive denial)... Nazi, fascist, deplorables, and so on... and on.

Cancel culture?

Yes this idenditariansism, moral sermonising and ideological McCarthyism *was the MO of the right.

The right, rightly realized that is was bad **** and reformed, only for the left to take it up (Rules For Radicals, anyone?).

Now we figuratively have Newton's 2nd law of motion whereupon the right are starting to match the toxicity of the left (and I fear that is probably just getting started).

Just my observations, don't shoot the messenger bro.

wayneL said:

Whoa there Sapphire!

Name calling from the left (which you implicitly just did, in spite of your preemptive denial)... Nazi, fascist, deplorables, and so on... and on.

Cancel culture?

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I was clearly talking about the process not calling anyone names at all.

To be honest I don't think any name would be able to describe the tirade from right / extreme right media / money interests / Republican politicians and their ilk railing against an invisible enemy so extreme that even I have never met in real life and that goes for the odd old communists that used to be in the union movement.

The issue still remains that went such an extreme false narrative is repeated ad nauseam by the general public that's been nurtured and started by incumbent politicians reinforced by select media then you have a seriously frightening problem.

LMAO.

And while you lot can't see yourself in the mirror, you will keep losing.

Trump is in trouble again, apparently for hand signals.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/qanon-con...ponse-to-donald-trump-q-symbol-002645230.html

It is all becoming weird, how an article like that could be written, shows people need a job IMO.

wayneL said:

LMAO.

And while you lot can't see yourself in the mirror, you will keep losing.

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That sums the problem, you missed the entire point as in your mind it appears to only about winning at all costs being that the cost could well be as extreme as the views propagated god help us if that evolves.

IFocus said:

That sums the problem, you missed the entire point as in your mind it appears to only about winning at all costs being that the cost could well be as extreme as the views propagated god help us if that evolves.

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Winning at all costs?

Again, the left are way over the top on this as well... Russia fake news, the ludicrous and embarrassing impeachment farce, and all the other petty tricks the Dems have tried.

Surely you can see that?

wayneL said:

Winning at all costs?

Again, the left are way over the top on this as well... Russia fake news, the ludicrous and embarrassing impeachment farce, and all the other petty tricks the Dems have tried.

Surely you can see that?

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The impeachment trial was a farce allright because Trump's mates wouldn't let witnesses testify.

Can you really say that was a honest tactic ?

Where Trump walks, flowers bloom.

Knobby22 said:

Where Trump walks, flowers bloom.

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I presume you mean because of all the sh*t he leaves behind ?

SirRumpole said:

The impeachment trial was a farce allright because Trump's mates wouldn't let witnesses testify.

Can you really say that was a honest tactic ?

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Huh?

You think the Dems were honest about the whole thing? Oh boy!

wayneL said:

Huh?

You think the Dems were honest about the whole thing? Oh boy!

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In what way were the Dem's dishonest ?

SirRumpole said:

The impeachment trial was a farce allright because Trump's mates wouldn't let witnesses testify.

Can you really say that was a honest tactic ?

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They did in the house. And there was nothing impeachment worthy. It was all a tactic to tear him down in an election year and it failed, miserably.
It's one b.s. attempt after another. How many have we had now?

It's not just the impeachment trial that's a farce, but the democrats as a whole.

Remember the Russian hoax. Turns out the fbi is getting their asses torn and now sued over what happened.
How about kavanaugh. Turns out fords best friend that was at the house wasn't actually there according to her book. And that she not only doubted the claims but was also blackmailed by Ford supporters. This from a supposed key witness according to Ford.

There is a long list of lies coming from dems supporters. And yet not one is touched on. It's forward to the next b.s. story like the supposed "fake video" above. Pelosi did those things. It's not fake. The intent and outcome were the same. Everyone watched it.

It's all just power games. An attempt of each side bringing down the other. Dems and supporters have gone nuclear and lost the plot though.

SirRumpole said:

In what way were the Dem's dishonest ?

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How about when they said impeachment was urgent and then delayed sending the papers over.

There is a giant list of lies.

moXJO said:

How about when they said impeachment was urgent and then delayed sending the papers over.

There is a giant list of lies.

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The Republicans are more smeared for covering up for a crook.

It will be nice to see Trump's smear tactics turned back on him.

If you tell a lie big enough and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
Human nature.