Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

The Atlantic.. LOL

IFocus said:

I wonder what the fall out will be as Trump is now Caesar.

Still it is the US but then I doubt the founding fathers would ever think it would get this crazy.

Given the amount of options that Trump gave for impeachment I wonder what the next 4 years will bring.

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Which options are these?

I mean, actual options, not dream world fit ups in leftist fantasies?

wayneL said:

The Atlantic.. LOL

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Yes, you can ignore it. There's a quote from Barack Obama on this review so don't read further. I will pay and send you a free copy if you promise to look at it though.

Here's another review.
How Democracies Die : The International Bestseller: What History Reveals About Our Future
4.22 (7,851 ratings by Goodreads)

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By (author) Steven Levitsky , By (author) Daniel Ziblatt

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How does a democracy die?
What can we do to save our own?
What lessons does history teach us?

In the 21st century democracy is threatened like never before. Drawing insightful lessons from across history - from Pinochet's murderous Chilean regime to Erdogan's quiet dismantling in Turkey - Levitsky and Ziblatt explain why democracies fail, how leaders like Trump subvert them today and what each of us can do to protect our democratic rights.

'A useful primer on the importance of norms, institutional restraints and civic participation in maintaining a democracy - and how quickly those things can erode when we're not paying attention' President Barack Obama

'A must-read' Andrew Marr, Sunday Times

'Excellent, scholarly, readable, alarming and level-headed' Nick Cohen, Observer

'The greatest of the many merits of Levitsky and Ziblatt's How Democracies Die is their rejection of western exceptionalism. They tell inspiring stories I had not heard before. Excellent' Nick Cohen, Observer

'Provocative, timely. One of my favourite reads this year' Elif Shafak, author of The Bastard of Istanbul

'Anyone who is concerned about the future of democracy should read this brisk, accessible book. Anyone who is not concerned should definitely read it' Daron Acemoglu, co-author of Why Nations Fail

'A lucid and essential guide to what can happen' Jennifer Szalai, New York Times

'We owe the authors a debt of thanks for bringing their deep understanding to bear on the central political issue of the day' Francis Fukuyama, author of Political Order and Political Decay
https://www.bookdepository.com/How-Democracies-Die-Steven-Levitsky/9780241381359

'In this brilliant historical synthesis, Levitsky and Ziblatt show how the actions of elected leaders around the world have paved the road to democratic failure, and why the United States is now vulnerable to this same downward spiral. This book should be widely and urgently read as a clarion call to restore the shared beliefs and practices-beyond our formal constitution - that constitute the essential 'guardrails' for preserving democracy' Larry Diamond, author of The Spirit of Democracy

wayneL said:

Which options are these?

I mean, actual options, not dream world fit ups in leftist fantasies?

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Whats a "leftist fantasies" and be care in your answer as the US hasnt any leftestsppittles nor Australia for that matter.

Does this come as a"leftist Fantasy" or perhaps a "Fascists wet dream"

Montana Lawmaker Rebuked for Saying the Constitution Calls for Jailing or Shooting Socialists

By Tara Law

February 2, 2020

A Montana lawmaker is facing controversy after he claimed at an event for the state’s Republican Party on Friday that the U.S. Constitution holds that socialists can be jailed or shot, reports say.

State Rep. Rodney Garcia, who represents part of Billings, Mont., in House District 52, also expressed concern about socialists “entering our government” at an event in Helena, Mont., on Friday, according to the Billings Gazette.

Asked by a reporter about the comments on Saturday, Garcia reportedly stood by them.

“So actually in the Constitution of the United States (if) they are found guilty of being a socialist member you either go to prison or are shot,” he told a reporter, according to the Billings Gazette.

“They’re enemies of the free state,” Garcia reportedly said. “What do we do with our enemies in war?”

https://time.com/5776337/montana-rodney-garcia-socialists-shot-jailed/

Dumb stuff. But come on bazzz, there is endless depth to such thoughts from the Komrades, eg:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/11/climate-change-activists-want-punishment-for-skept/

basilio said:

Does this come as a"leftist Fantasy" or perhaps a "Fascists wet dream"

Montana Lawmaker Rebuked for Saying the Constitution Calls for Jailing or Shooting Socialists

By Tara Law

February 2, 2020

A Montana lawmaker is facing controversy after he claimed at an event for the state’s Republican Party on Friday that the U.S. Constitution holds that socialists can be jailed or shot, reports say.

State Rep. Rodney Garcia, who represents part of Billings, Mont., in House District 52, also expressed concern about socialists “entering our government” at an event in Helena, Mont., on Friday, according to the Billings Gazette.

Asked by a reporter about the comments on Saturday, Garcia reportedly stood by them.

“So actually in the Constitution of the United States (if) they are found guilty of being a socialist member you either go to prison or are shot,” he told a reporter, according to the Billings Gazette.

“They’re enemies of the free state,” Garcia reportedly said. “What do we do with our enemies in war?”

https://time.com/5776337/montana-rodney-garcia-socialists-shot-jailed/

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wayneL said:

Dumb stuff. But come on bazzz, there is endless depth to such thoughts from the Komrades, eg:

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/11/climate-change-activists-want-punishment-for-skept/

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Really ? So that's your quid pro quo Wayne ?

On the one hand we have a stream of Climate Change liars systematically destroying /undermining our need to respond to the greatest threat facing our world.

And then you compare anger at their duplicity in the same light as a Law Maker in a US State attempts to make up lies about the US Constitution to justify imprisoning or killing people he declares to be socialists.

I really think The Don should immediately put you on his Legal team Wayne. You clearly have the chops to defend anything and everything.

What is the result of Trump's impeachment, is it over?

Thanks bazzz.. zzz...zzz

You have obviously forgotten about the 350.org wet dream of blowing children up... That is not to mention the roughly 170 million people murdered by your side of politics last century.

Wayne your a total drop kick..
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What happens if The Don loses the next election ? In light of how he and rusted on, gun toting, fact free supporters view the world consider this.

basilio said:

Wayne your a total drop kick..
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What happens if The Don loses the next election ? In light of how he and rusted on, gun toting, fact free supporters view the world consider this.

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A drop kick?

Well, being a free speech absolutist, I think you're perfectly entitled to think and say that. No doubt the other Marxists here will cheerlead you on like good little Komrades, devoid of any real argument.

I would dare you to say that to my face though, Komrade.

Even though I eschew violence and the extent of my physical reaction would be a roll of the eyes, I doubt you'd have the balls.

Take 10 minutes to listen to the two journalists to spoke to over 200 White House officials to understand the three years of this one man government. To sum it up

Bill Galston of the Brookings Institution, says Trump “appears to be daring the rest of the political system to stop him – and if it doesn’t he’ll go further. The law has no force without people who are willing to enforce it.”

The review is also enlightening.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...w-donald-trump-leonnig-rucker-washington-post

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This is a well researched book, of course, given Rucker's and Leonnig's reputation (and a Pulitzer prize each). They interviewed nearly 200 people, many of them top Trump advisors although most chose to remain unnamed sources. There are a lot of quotes, enlivening the text, and they know how to lay out a strong narrative with often-vivid details about the participants.

There's no getting around it President Trump is shown as erratic, impulsive, ignorant of the things a president should know, vindictive, profane and mean. He runs a chaotic administration and likes it that way. Pitting people against each other, creating insecure lackeys, is his preferred management style. He did it at the Trump Organization, and the opportunities for testing loyalties--and making himself the center of all the attention--are even greater now.

How many books describing a completely unfit president will be published before his core support drops significantly? Books come. Books go, and yet Trump's support among Republicans in Congress and voters (95% or so approve of him) remains basically unchanged. (And, spoiler. The title is ironic, at least for the authors. Trump, who's used it at least four times, seems completely convinced of his superiority. In his mind, it is always others who have to be wrong--while he has to get all of the credit. The writing was on the wall for Steve Bannon after he made the cover of TIME. Trump treats both political appointees and experienced government experts the same--with disdain and disrespect. He doesn't listen, won't learn, and thinks he knows "more than the generals"...also, more than the communications director, the financial experts, intelligence officials, lawyers....and on and on. As some previous biographers have noted, it would not surprise him to be told he knows more than anyone. He would agree.) When things go wrong—and they often do—his first thought is to find someone to blame. (And blame them he will, even if the problems were caused because they did exactly as he told them to.)
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I just saw this on the SMH website, they are usually pretty scathing of him, yet this is a pretty rosy picture.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-...-for-2020-election-pitch-20200205-p53xy5.html
From the article:
The US President's annual address to Congress comes on the eve of Trump's inevitable acquittal in his Senate impeachment trial and with a respected poll showing his approval rating soaring to an all-time high.
"In just three short years, we have shattered the mentality of American decline and we have rejected the downsizing of America’s destiny," Trump said. "We are moving forward at a pace that was unimaginable just a short time ago, and we are never going back!"

He emphasised the economic benefits low-income earners had enjoyed since his election.
"Since my election, the net worth of the bottom half of wage earners has increased by 47 per cent, three times faster than the increase for the top 1 per cent," Trump said.

"This is a blue collar boom."

The latest Gallup poll released just before the speech showed Trump's job approval at 49 per cent, the highest it has been since he took office.

It sounds as though the 'Elite's" are having trouble, swinging the 'Blue Collar' support their way, not that much different than what happened here really.

Democrats and the left have this retarded view of what freedom is.
Trump is hardly a dictator. He would be disarming the public. Taking out political opponents with fake accusations. And running roughshod over the constitution.

Take a step back and it's the democrats time and again.

moXJO said:

Democrats and the left have this retarded view of what freedom is.
Trump is hardly a dictator. He would be disarming the public. Taking out political opponents with fake accusations. And running roughshod over the constitution.

Take a step back and it's the democrats time and again.

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No one thinks Trump will be a dictator (he is too old for one) but he is exposing the weaknesses in the US constitution. It's become obvious how a future dictator can exploit these. As Wayne puts on his byline, slowly we inch.

The rise of the Strong Man. The demise of checks and balances on our leaders. It happened in the 1930's. George Monbiot examines where we are in 2020.

'Try to stop me’ – the mantra of our leaders who are now ruling with impunity
George Monbiot
Trump, Bolsonaro, Modi, Johnson. Across the world, flouting the law has become normalised. We have to stop it

@GeorgeMonbiot
Wed 5 Feb 2020 07.00 GMT

It is not a sufficient condition for fascism to take root, but it is a necessary one: the willingness of political leaders not only to break the law but to revel in breaking it is a fatal step towards the replacement of democracy with authoritarian terror.

We see this at work in the United States today, where the Republican party’s blatant disregard for the constitution will allow Donald Trump to escape impeachment.

If Trump is elected for a second term, he will test to the limit the potential for wielding unconstitutional power. But the phenomenon is not confined to the US. Several powerful governments now wear illegality almost as a badge of honour.

It’s happening in the UK too. The Brexit vote was secured with the help of blatant illegality

Fascist and prefascist governments share, among others, two linked characteristics: they proudly flout the laws that are supposed to restrain them while introducing new, often unconstitutional laws to contain political opponents or oppress minorities.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-our-leaders-who-are-now-ruling-with-impunity

IMO it boils down to the media failed to get its way here, the media failed in the U.K and now the media has failed in The U.S.
Maybe the middle class is fed up with the media telling them what to think?

Just my opinion from an uninterested observer.

basilio said:

The rise of the Strong Man. The demise of checks and balances on our leaders. It happened in the 1930's. George Monbiot examines where we are in 2020.

'Try to stop me’ – the mantra of our leaders who are now ruling with impunity
George Monbiot
Trump, Bolsonaro, Modi, Johnson. Across the world, flouting the law has become normalised. We have to stop it

@GeorgeMonbiot
Wed 5 Feb 2020 07.00 GMT

It is not a sufficient condition for fascism to take root, but it is a necessary one: the willingness of political leaders not only to break the law but to revel in breaking it is a fatal step towards the replacement of democracy with authoritarian terror.

We see this at work in the United States today, where the Republican party’s blatant disregard for the constitution will allow Donald Trump to escape impeachment.

If Trump is elected for a second term, he will test to the limit the potential for wielding unconstitutional power. But the phenomenon is not confined to the US. Several powerful governments now wear illegality almost as a badge of honour.

It’s happening in the UK too. The Brexit vote was secured with the help of blatant illegality

Fascist and prefascist governments share, among others, two linked characteristics: they proudly flout the laws that are supposed to restrain them while introducing new, often unconstitutional laws to contain political opponents or oppress minorities.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-our-leaders-who-are-now-ruling-with-impunity

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Grade A USDA approved Bullsh1t.

The Moonbat has lost the plot.

wayneL said:

Grade A USDA approved Bullsh1t.

The Moonbat has lost the plot.

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Excellent ! An A grade Wayne Bullsxit score means George has definitely hit the bullseye.
Check it out.