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Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

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luutzu said:
With proper organisation, enough time to sit back and think about things... they could peacefully forced any douche in power to comply.
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Yeah then into re-education camps. Or out the back and two in the head. That where we are going?
 

Who encourages violent behaviour?

I was referring to the latest talking point by the GOP calling protestors, peaceful protestors, "mob", "socialist mob" because why? Because they dare turn up to the Senate offices and sit in, making noises while protesting.
 
They went to senator houses, doxxed and death threats. There is nothing wrong with protesters. Its when it morphs into mob rule and mob law.
 
moXJO said:
Yeah then into re-education camps. Or out the back and two in the head. That where we are going?
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Dude, we still got a democracy. There's no need for that. Plus, you know how fully loaded and ready to go the gov't is for any die hards?

In Western democracies, it's the peaceful, unified mob that scares the crap out of the political and economic elite.

That's how all social progress had been achieved. From desegregation led by Martin Luther King Jr., to automotive safety, environmental protection, ending imperial wars, social safety net etc. etc.

That's why our masters have been systematically destroying and removing as many opportunities and solidarity movement as they can without resorting to martial law.

e.g. merged and monopolised, corporatised media; little to nothing being "free"; high personal debt; as little education as possible for the masses etc. etc.
 
moXJO said:
They went to senator houses, doxxed and death threats. There is nothing wrong with protesters. Its when it morphs into mob rule and mob law.
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Dude, if any of that were true, those people will have been handcuffed or shot by the secret service already.

Protesting, yelling at your "servants" when they do the bidding of another master on your dime; getting into their faces in public places... that's what a democracy looks like.

Were any of the wise old senators physically hurt? Or just their feelings of having to listen to a bunch of unwashed peasants?

Let's watch and tear up for the poor Senators yelling back at "the mob" threatening lawlessness.

 
Where Donald Trump is taking us.

"But in the Freudian view, the success of the Trumpian con should point us to our archaic heritage – and indeed the past to which Trumpism aspires lies much deeper than the mid-20th century, or whatever period those red hats are referring to. Trump promises more than the restoration of white men to their rightful place at the top of the org chart. He promises to make the world comprehensible again without the intercession of pointy-headed elites and the nagging of social justice warriors. He urges us all to shake loose the surly bonds of civilised conduct: to make science irrelevant and rationality optional, to render truth obsolete, to set power free to roam the world, to lift all the core conditions written into the social contract – fealty to reason, scepticism about instincts, aspirations to justice. We then, at last, will be restored to the primordial American state of nature – free to consume, to pillage, to destroy, to wall out our neighbours and to hate people for living in shitholes.

Trump indeed does more than promise: with his profligate lies, his proud immorality, his sneering disdain for fairness, his disregard for consistency or any other kind of integrity, he embodies those promises. He is the anti-Aufklärer, and his deepest appeal lies in an unspoken promise that lies behind the others: to undo the Enlightenment, to free us from the burdens of living rationally in a world where nothing is settled and where everything – economic well-being, national borders, gender identities, domestic arrangements – is up for grabs, let the strongest prevail.

To be continued
 
Where Donald Trump is taking us

"If the machine guns and mustard gas of the first world war revealed to Freud the fragility of what had seemed solid, the election of Trump reveals its decrepitude, if not its collapse. Without a single shot, with hardly any sort of sustained violent break at all, in a collective ejaculation of rage and resentment, a near-majority of the electorate went with its gut and rejected not a candidate or a party but an ethos shaped over five centuries, of which Freud was an acolyte and the odd profession he spawned an apotheosis. They rose up against the demand imposed by modernity – that we use reason to figure things out for ourselves – and replaced it not with the old rules, but with impulse itself, with the vengeance and cruelty and rage that Trump so brilliantly embodies. Freud’s answer, that we find our limits only when we recognise just how badly we need them, was insufficient, and its transvalued version even more so. As John Adams recognised in noting the way that democracy “wastes, exhausts and murders itself”, individuals may conquer themselves but “nations and large bodies of men, never”.

Still, the problem may lie not in our answers, but in the question itself: it may be that life on earth is too complex and chaotic for humans to manage, that our randomly acquired strengths and flaws did not evolve to meet that challenge, and that the idea that we can fashion an order that lasts is merely a conceit that reached its peak with the Enlightenment. Another of those conceits is that progress is inevitable, and it is possible that on the other side of the long darkness upon which we are now embarking is an understanding of ourselves and the world just as unimaginable to us as democracy was to a Lascaux cave artist, and that will not contain within it the seeds of its own destruction.

But that is far from certain, and here is where my profession and all it has taught us about the value of the interior landscape will come in handy. For we have only just begun to grieve the passing of this great experiment, of the idea that we will find in ourselves the ability to run our own show, and as we watch ourselves decline, we will have to get very good at mourning. My colleagues and I stand ready to assist.

https://thebaffler.com/outbursts/america-and-its-discontents-greenberg
 
basilio said:
They rose up against the demand imposed by modernity –
.......... Another of those conceits is that progress is inevitable,
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Those are two different things an not necessarily permeable nor immutable.

The preoccupation with Trump being either the root cause or the symptom of an imminent end of days scenario is people not moving with the times, instead locking themselves in the good old recent days of cisgender, gay marriage, equal rights gazumping rational ineguity, pansy men and shrill women.

Progressive people are onboard with change, not with sabotage of the bedrocks that got us here in the first place.
 

A big chunk of Europe were "with the time" some 8 decades ago. Didn't work out too well for most of the population.

Depends on your standard and definition of where that sweet spot is for Western civilisation. But the principles that "got us here"... where's here?

Where the noble president said point blank that... yeaaahhh... (allegedly) ordering a hit on a mild critic, send in a team to dismember his body and spirit it away... that's kinda bad... BUT... but there's $110 billion to be made. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs.

Economic decay can be put up with. Humans will come to accept their place in the world, blame foreigners and refugees should ease the pain a bit...

But moral decay... That's the spark that will lit up the whole place.

Most people are not psychotic. They will not put up with moral depravity. And if the elite want them to be involved, want them to fund its wars and exploitation... better include them in the booties and not just the heroic efforts and a medal.
 
Trump is probably needed in the US at the moment to remind people what good government looks like (by contrast).
 
SirRumpole said:
Trump is probably needed in the US at the moment to remind people what good government looks like (by contrast).
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Interesting thought.. That suggests he and the GOP won't rig the deck to ensure another Democrat government is elected again.

So how could you do that ? Easy in Georgia.

Stacey Abrams: GOP opponent creating 'miasma of fear' over voting in Georgia
Brian Kemp accused of seeking to suspend minority voters from registration rolls under the ‘exact match’ law

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Stacey Abrams, Georgia’s Democratic candidate for governor, is trying to reach voters who don’t usually vote in midterm elections in the hopes to drive up turnout in her race against Republican Brian Kemp. Photograph: John Bazemore/AP
As a crisis of potential voter suppression in Georgia deepened, the Democratic candidate for governor accused her opponent of seeking to disenfranchise people of color and women by creating a “miasma of fear” around voting.

Stacey Abrams, who if elected would become the first African American woman governor of any state, is running against Georgia’s Republican secretary of state, Brian Kemp.

A lawsuit filed by civil rights groups on Thursday accused Kemp of seeking to disenfranchise more than 50,000 voters, up to 80% of them minority voters, by suspending voters from registration rolls if records held by various state agencies show any slight discrepancy in how a voter’s name is hyphenated, spelled or spaced.

.....The margin in the last two Georgia gubernatorial races has been about 200,000 votes. An Associated Press investigation found that Kemp’s office had cancelled more than 1.4m voter registrations since 2012, including nearly 670,000 in 2017 alone.

...As minority leader in the Georgia House of Representatives, Abrams led a lawsuit against Kemp in 2016 challenging the exact match voting regulation, which was not state law at the time. A federal judge ruled Kemp improperly cancelled 33,000 voter registrations.

Abrams said on Sunday Kemp “knew” the exact match system would lead to disenfranchisement.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/14/stacey-abrams-brian-kemp-georgia-governors-race
 
luutzu said:
A big chunk of Europe were "with the time" some 8 decades ago. Didn't work out too well for most of the population.

l.
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Not doing too well socially ATM, thus why the rise of nationalism. Not withstanding the world war that managed to absorb an already cruel Asian theatre, dare I say that the resilience of the UK and Germany is predicated on strong foundations of mercantile, applied engineering and industry ... I doubt they would have grown resilient societies based on touchy feely policies where the citizens are each and everyone microcosms serving their own selfish purpose, which is what Oz is turning into as it imports hundreds and thousands of pen pushing migrants to keep the GDP and recessionary figures looking good.

Strong governance with national purpose is what trickles down to the masses, sometimes brutality mars that performance.
 
Tisme said:
Strong governance with national purpose is what trickles down to the masses, sometimes brutality mars that performance.
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There has been very little nation building going on in this country for quite some time.

First step is getting the power infrastructure back to a position where it can satisfy not only current needs but an expanded industrial sector, then start talking about building some autos, aircraft or even computers here.
 

Yes if you put into context the ratio of population versus big projects, it would be difficult to find comparisons old versus new.
 
Tisme said:
Yes if you put into context the ratio of population versus big projects, it would be difficult to find comparisons old versus new.
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How about internet speed? Or domestic energy prices? Or housing affordability? Or homelessness per capita?
 
Indeed ! Done by the same artist. Equally as kitsch.

The "small" difference is no other President would have had the crass conceit to hang it up in the White House as a public homage to his highness. That's your boy!
 
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