Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

Tisme · 9 September 2018

basilio said:
Criminal behaviour allowed to flourish

If we go back to the 1920's we can see how gangsters like Al Capone ran huge criminal empires from their public hotel rooms.

"Everyone" knew what was happening. The public, the police, the politicians. The politicians and the police either took the bribes, looked away - or took the consequences. You could equally argue then "When is Al going to get charged ? "

It took a very small group of "Untouchables " to bring Al Capone to justice. And then the one crime they decided to make stick was tax evasion. I don't think it's a surprise that current investigations into the raft of crooked Trump confidantes is focusing on the money trails and tax evasion that appears to have happened.

Um.... you are now using facts from fictional novels as the basis to demonise Trump?! Where can I buy this kind of truth licence .... Kellogs or Sanitarium? What next ...perhaps comparing Meuller to Mickey Spillane?

Cutty Sark drinking Elliot Ness and his rotating group managed to rack up 5000 failed bootleging counts against the man he never met (until perhaps the tax evasion court case). After that Ness moved onto Cleveland, eventually becoming a director of some police dept, where the tommy guns and staged fire fights happened with petty criminals for the paper column serials.

Eighteen of the twenty three tax evasion charges where unprovable ... it was the Federal Treasury agents who pinged Capone, not Ness and the judge went back on the agreement of 2.5. years making it 11.

And the "public hotel rooms" ... the man spent his time living it up all over he country ... they arrested him in Florida while having a whale of a time at the track, trips to the Bahamas, etc.

I can just imagine the American press getting hold of the Trump fiction and turning it into fact.... oh hang on they are already doing that and even daydreaming Australians are lapping it up as an imperative ..... enter Batman to the rescue.

Tisme · 9 September 2018

moXJO said:
Capone was an outright criminal who had everyone in the pocket. He worked in cash. And could kill or bribe anyone that was a threat. Harder to chase a paper trail back then as well.

....

You don't consider Bas' allegory of Capone versus Trump as emblematic of Predator versus Alien? One is mind numbing entertainment escapism, but the other costs you a ticket at the cinema

Tisme · 9 September 2018

basilio said:
Sort of sums it up doesn't ? Here we have one of the most venal, corrupt and dangerous US Presidents of all time getting called out by a member of his own staff who points out they are saving us from some of the most dangerous Presidental actions and

1) Il Presidente says this is TREASON!!
2) The peanut gallery sings in unison.

Why not just make him President for life, give him powers of succcession, offer total immunity, declare Trump Law, suspend the Constitution and jail the Press for TREASON. That be enough?

The USA needs a long awaited wake up call of what constitutes it's democracy and what constitutes freedom of the media to tell gross lies to all too willing ears. Inciting to war by the media should see the owners in court for treason.

basilio · 9 September 2018

Re. Al Capone and his demise
A few facts.

1) Al Capone lived in the Hotel Lexington in Chichago for three years from from 1928 to 1931 when he was arrested. It was his home and base of criminal operations.
2) We don't have to accept the Hollywood glorification of Elliot Ness and The Untouchables. Yeah it was a huge beat up. But the basic facts were quite clear in the reference Tisme used (even if he ignored them.)

"
Ness graduated from the University of Chicago and followed his brother-in-law into the Prohibition Bureau. Six feet tall, quiet, honorable in his work but not in his marriages. He helped put together a rotating group of agents who spent the first six months of 1931 raiding Capone’s hidden breweries. His car was stolen three times, his office phone line was tapped, he was offered bribes, and a friend/informant was shot four times in the face.

Still, he and his crew — which ranged from six to a dozen or so — put together a 5,000-count bootlegging indictment against Capone. They were dubbed “the untouchables” in a 1931 Chicago newspaper story because they refused bribes.

U.S. Attorney George E.Q. Johnson in Chicago loved Ness’s work but opted to prosecute Capone on tax-evasion charges, as the jurors (like most everybody else) loved to drink but loathed tax cheats. Ness gave reporters who covered his raids some of the impounded booze (cough, cough) which helped him grab headlines. The man himself was fond of Cutty Sark. He was given to spells of depression.

It was difficult to finally convict Al Capone. The story makes it clear that convicting Al on bootlegging was problematic. The judge did decide to give him a 11 year stretch for tax evasion even though a "norm" might have been 2-3 years. Maybe he also believed this tax evading "businessman" had a bit more behind him than some shonky tax bills ?

Does any of this change the reality that Al Capone dominated the politics and police force of his day while being the leader of a bunch of murderous thugs ?

And do we recognise that Donald Trump has much in common with this populist bootlegger including the fact that to date he has managed to avoid legal consequences for many of his activities ?

https://chicago.curbed.com/2014/3/2...k-at-al-capones-former-hq-the-lexington-hotel
https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...e7c922ef31e_story.html?utm_term=.bc5165e3ecb0
https://msu.edu/~szandzi2/alcapone/legacy.html

basilio · 9 September 2018

Back in Trumpland. Why has Bob Woodwards book about the Trump administration "Fear " created such interest ? This review is well worth a read.

Fear review: Bob Woodward's dragnet descends on Donald Trump
Donald Trump

The Watergate reporter has written another sober, must-read dissection of corruption and rot at the White House

Lloyd Green

Sat 8 Sep 2018 15.00 AEST Last modified on Sun 9 Sep 2018 00.34 AEST

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....Like Joe Friday on Dragnet, Jack Webb’s television classic, Woodward’s Fear is big on facts and short on hyperventilation. It is not Fire and Fury redux or Omarosa 2.0. Rather, it is a sober account of how we reached this vertiginous point. Woodward’s words are quotidian but the story he tells is chilling. Like Trump himself, the characters that populate Woodward’s narrative are Runyonesque and foul-mouthed.

Lifting papers from your boss’s desk because you disapprove of his policy choices is not standard operating procedure. Trashing everyone in your circle is not an effective means of engendering loyalty. Reflexively dissembling to your personal lawyer when Robert Mueller holds your fate in his hands is akin to a death wish.

As Woodward frames things, “Trump had one overriding problem” that his personal lawyer, John Dowd, an ex-marine, “knew but could not bring himself to say to the president: ‘You’re a xxxing liar.’”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/08/fear-review-bob-woodward-donald-trump

moXJO · 9 September 2018

basilio said:
Back in Trumpland. Why has Bob Woodwards book about the Trump administration "Fear " created such interest ? This review is well worth a read.

Fear review: Bob Woodward's dragnet descends on Donald Trump
Donald Trump

The Watergate reporter has written another sober, must-read dissection of corruption and rot at the White House

Lloyd Green

Sat 8 Sep 2018 15.00 AEST Last modified on Sun 9 Sep 2018 00.34 AEST

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Donald Trump stares at the press. Photograph: MAI/Rex/Shutterstock

....Like Joe Friday on Dragnet, Jack Webb’s television classic, Woodward’s Fear is big on facts and short on hyperventilation. It is not Fire and Fury redux or Omarosa 2.0. Rather, it is a sober account of how we reached this vertiginous point. Woodward’s words are quotidian but the story he tells is chilling. Like Trump himself, the characters that populate Woodward’s narrative are Runyonesque and foul-mouthed.

Lifting papers from your boss’s desk because you disapprove of his policy choices is not standard operating procedure. Trashing everyone in your circle is not an effective means of engendering loyalty. Reflexively dissembling to your personal lawyer when Robert Mueller holds your fate in his hands is akin to a death wish.

As Woodward frames things, “Trump had one overriding problem” that his personal lawyer, John Dowd, an ex-marine, “knew but could not bring himself to say to the president: ‘You’re a xxxing liar.’”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/08/fear-review-bob-woodward-donald-trump

“The contemptuous words about the President attributed to me in Woodward’s book were never uttered by me or in my presence,” Mattis said in a statement. “While I generally enjoy reading fiction, this is a uniquely Washington brand of literature, and his anonymous sources do not lend credibility.”

Mattis went on to cite his work to date with Trump to improve military readiness, strike the Islamic State and get NATO allies to contribute more to defense.

Mattis is not the only official in the book who allegedly attacked Trump’s intellect or decision-making. Retired Marine Corps Gen. John Kelly, the White House chief of staff, is quoted as saying the president is an idiot, and that it’s the worst job he’s ever had.

Kelly issued a similar denial through the White House.

“The idea I ever called the President an idiot is not true," Kelly said in a statement.

He called the book passage “another pathetic attempt to smear people close to President Trump and distract from the administration’s many successes.”

Similar alleged statements by former Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who reportedly called Trump a “moron,” were cited as one of the reasons Tillerson ultimately left the position after just a year on the job, leading to questions about Mattis' and Kelly’s own tenures.

It’s been speculated that Mattis, who has been out of the loop on several key White House decisions, may also be leaving the administration before Trump’s first term is complete. Aides close to Mattis have previously said that they expect he will stay for the whole term if asked, due to some of the internal Pentagon readiness issues he is closely focused on and would like to see through to fruition.

basilio · 9 September 2018

Mattis ? John Kelly ?

They are hardly likely to say anything else at this stage are they they Moxjo?

What do you reckon ? Bob Woodward just made all this up ? Just a total fiction ? Just like the other bag of books from the Mad House this year ?

Perhaps the thought of being summarily charged with treason and sent to Sing Sing focused their lips a safer response.

Tisme · 9 September 2018

basilio said:
Re. Al Capone and his demise
A few facts.

1) Al Capone lived in the Hotel Lexington in Chichago for three years from from 1928 to 1931 when he was arrested. It was his home and base of criminal operations.
2) We don't have to accept the Hollywood glorification of Elliot Ness and The Untouchables. Yeah it was a huge beat up. But the basic facts were quite clear in the reference Tisme used (even if he ignored them.)

"
Ness graduated from the University of Chicago and followed his brother-in-law into the Prohibition Bureau. Six feet tall, quiet, honorable in his work but not in his marriages. He helped put together a rotating group of agents who spent the first six months of 1931 raiding Capone’s hidden breweries. His car was stolen three times, his office phone line was tapped, he was offered bribes, and a friend/informant was shot four times in the face.

Still, he and his crew — which ranged from six to a dozen or so — put together a 5,000-count bootlegging indictment against Capone. They were dubbed “the untouchables” in a 1931 Chicago newspaper story because they refused bribes.

U.S. Attorney George E.Q. Johnson in Chicago loved Ness’s work but opted to prosecute Capone on tax-evasion charges, as the jurors (like most everybody else) loved to drink but loathed tax cheats. Ness gave reporters who covered his raids some of the impounded booze (cough, cough) which helped him grab headlines. The man himself was fond of Cutty Sark. He was given to spells of depression.

It was difficult to finally convict Al Capone. The story makes it clear that convicting Al on bootlegging was problematic. The judge did decide to give him a 11 year stretch for tax evasion even though a "norm" might have been 2-3 years. Maybe he also believed this tax evading "businessman" had a bit more behind him than some shonky tax bills ?

Does any of this change the reality that Al Capone dominated the politics and police force of his day while being the leader of a bunch of murderous thugs ?

And do we recognise that Donald Trump has much in common with this populist bootlegger including the fact that to date he has managed to avoid legal consequences for many of his activities ?

https://chicago.curbed.com/2014/3/2...k-at-al-capones-former-hq-the-lexington-hotel
https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...e7c922ef31e_story.html?utm_term=.bc5165e3ecb0
https://msu.edu/~szandzi2/alcapone/legacy.html

You just can't handle the situation you were dead wrong and now you are still telling yarns. Capone was arrested March 27, 1927 in Florida, released on bond then re arrested in Philadelphia 2 for carrying a concealed weapon and sentenced for a year, when finally released in 1931 he was sentenced for 6 months on the original outstanding contempt of court charge. The Feds then charged him with income tax evasion and he got put away for 11 years where STDs made him too crook to be a crook and he died 1947 Amen.

luutzu · 9 September 2018

Plaid shirt guy at a Trump rally.

A bit like me hearing a Feng Shui master's advise.

basilio · 9 September 2018

Tisme said:
You just can't handle the situation you were dead wrong and now you are still telling yarns. Capone was arrested March 27, 1927 in Florida, released on bond then re arrested in Philadelphia 2 for carrying a concealed weapon and sentenced for a year, when finally released in 1931 he was sentenced for 6 months on the original outstanding contempt of court charge. The Feds then charged him with income tax evasion and he got put away for 11 years where STDs made him too crook to be a crook and he died 1947 Amen.

Rubbish. If you can't actually read documents properly stop wasting our time.

moXJO · 9 September 2018

basilio said:
Mattis ? John Kelly ?

They are hardly likely to say anything else at this stage are they they Moxjo?

What do you reckon ? Bob Woodward just made all this up ? Just a total fiction ? Just like the other bag of books from the Mad House this year ?

Perhaps the thought of being summarily charged with treason and sent to Sing Sing focused their lips a safer response.

You know who mattis is right?
I'd take his word over some cockroach reporter no matter how highly regarded amongst the other sewer rats.

Trump and mattis ain't exactly friendly either.

basilio · 9 September 2018

moXJO said:
some cockroach reporter

That's Bob Woodward your referring to moxjo.

How about checking out his history. Might get an idea of who you are degrading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Woodward

And more on General Mattis
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/09/mattis-woodward-trump/569350/

Tisme · 9 September 2018

basilio said:
Rubbish. If you can't actually read documents properly stop wasting our time.

Really? Perhaps you might like to confer with the FBI site that lays it out for you. Gotcha mate

Now you have benchmarked the FBI as telling lies where do you go now with FBI and Trump? Back pedal again?

moXJO · 9 September 2018

basilio said:
That's Bob Woodward your referring to moxjo.

How about checking out his history. Might get an idea of who you are degrading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Woodward

And more on General Mattis
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/09/mattis-woodward-trump/569350/

I know who he is.

Wait you know he has history of exaggerations right

luutzu · 9 September 2018

Great interview on Trump and American adventurism, capitalism.

Much of what he said was going to happen, happened.

basilio · 10 September 2018

Tisme said:
Really? Perhaps you might like to confer with the FBI site that lays it out for you. Gotcha mate

Now you have benchmarked the FBI as telling lies where do you go now with FBI and Trump? Back pedal again?

The most cursory look on the net using Al Capone -LexingtonHotel will prove he used the hotel as a base for operations from 1928-1931. That doesn't mean of course that he didn't have interests in Miami, spend time in jail or flit around the country. You can do anything when you one of richest "businessman" in the US and have almost everyone in your pocket or too scared to say anything.

Indeed very much like the current Chief Crook.

basilio · 10 September 2018

moXJO said:
I know who he is.

Wait you know he has history of exaggerations right

You mean as compared to Donald Trump ?
No Donald doesn't exaggerate does he. How shoudl we describe his discourse ?

Tisme · 10 September 2018

basilio said:
The most cursory look on the net using Al Capone -LexingtonHotel will prove he used the hotel as a base for operations from 1928-1931. That doesn't mean of course that he didn't have interests in Miami, spend time in jail or flit around the country. You can do anything when you one of richest "businessman" in the US and have almost everyone in your pocket or too scared to say anything.

Indeed very much like the current Chief Crook.

He was in Eastern State Penitentiary between 1929 and 1930.

Darc Knight · 10 September 2018

You still campaigning for the Liberal Democrats Tisme?

Mo still regurgitating some Right Wing friutloop website or Media organization

Tisme · 10 September 2018

Darc Knight said:
You still campaigning for the Liberal Democrats Tisme?

Mo still regurgitating some Right Wing friutloop website or Media organization

I don't really understand the hidden meaning behind your comment, can you elaborate or are you just flaming for sh1ts and giggles?

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