Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

bellenuit · 30 August 2018

sptrawler said:
The stuff you posted actually doesn't matter to us at all, unless you are interested in the politics of it.

How do you mean it doesn't effect us. It is a full scale attack on democracy and democratic institutions as well as the free press that underpins our democracy. He has weakened NATO most likely at the direct behest of Putin. He has elevated the status of Korea's Kim to be on a par with other world leaders and has got nothing in return.

A lot of what has been achieved economic wise are just a continuation of the achievements under Obama. Look at the graphs and one can see it is just a continuation of the trend started by Obama.

luutzu · 30 August 2018

sptrawler said:
There has never been a President, that has attracted this much attention, it is really interesting.

From someone who doesn't give a ratz.ME

I think he is saying to the companies, that have offshored manufacturing jobs to Countries with cheap labour, we will put excise on your imports unless you return the factories home.

To the EU who have spent sod all on defence spending, then sign fuel and electricity contracts with Countries that are considered hostile, we aren't your backup unless you buy some of or gear.

To China he is saying we built factories in your Country, you don't respect interlectual knowledge and patents and reverse engineer our equipment. Unless you open up your markets to our products, or float your currency, we will put an import tax on your products. We buy $630billion of your stuff, you import $160billion of ours.

I really can't see what he is doing wrong, maybe someone can enlighten me, I haven't read a lot on it.

So if you cut out the "white noise", what is he saying that is wrong.

They can always steal the new patents from China.

It now has more patent rego than the US; faster super computers, and more of it by 2020. etc. etc.

luutzu · 30 August 2018

bellenuit said:
How do you mean it doesn't effect us. It is a full scale attack on democracy and democratic institutions as well as the free press that underpins our democracy. He has weakened NATO most likely at the direct behest of Putin. He has elevated the status of Korea's Kim to be on a par with other world leaders and has got nothing in return.

A lot of what has been achieved economic wise are just a continuation of the achievements under Obama. Look at the graphs and one can see it is just a continuation of the trend started by Obama.

Tisme · 30 August 2018

bellenuit said:
How do you mean it doesn't effect us. It is a full scale attack on democracy and democratic institutions as well as the free press that underpins our democracy. He has weakened NATO most likely at the direct behest of Putin. He has elevated the status of Korea's Kim to be on a par with other world leaders and has got nothing in return.

A lot of what has been achieved economic wise are just a continuation of the achievements under Obama. Look at the graphs and one can see it is just a continuation of the trend started by Obama.

A lot of subjective emotion there, but suggesting Putin tells Trump what to do is bordering on, if not immersed in paranoia.

Trump hasn't taken the whole world to the brink of destruction as did the likes of Kennedy & Regan, both public desk thumpers and far more dogmatically belligerent than Trump.

What about Obama rolling tanks into Eastern Europe early Jan 2017 to intimidate the Russians because of a rumour Russia conspired with Trump to force US voters fingers to select Trump at the polls.

Tisme · 30 August 2018

luutzu said:
They can always steal the new patents from China.

It now has more patent rego than the US; faster super computers, and more of it by 2020. etc. etc.

The US built its empire pinching ideas and inventions from other nations. It was a factory that supplied and made its money from the British Empire. It sucked huge amounts money from Europe, while Europe and Asia Minor burned in two wars. In short the US had it good on the back of British wealth and global war loans.

bellenuit · 5 September 2018

Bob Woodward: Trump's aides stole his papers 'to protect the country'

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/04/politics/bob-woodward-book-donald-trump-fear/index.html

Darc Knight · 5 September 2018

bellenuit said:

Bob Woodward: Trump's aides stole his papers 'to protect the country'

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bellenuit said:
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/04/politics/bob-woodward-book-donald-trump-fear/index.html

"And Trump's former personal lawyer John Dowd describes the President as "a ******* liar," telling Trump he would end up in an "orange jump suit" if he testified to special counsel Robert Mueller."
"Trump's obsession with the Russia probe, describing for the first time confidential conversations between the President's lawyers and Mueller. It recounts a dramatic session in the White House residence in which Trump failed a mock Mueller interview with his lawyers."
"Then in an even more remarkable move, Dowd and Trump's current personal attorney Jay Sekulow went to Mueller's office and re-enacted the mock interview. Their goal: to argue that Trump couldn't possibly testify because he was incapable of telling the truth.
"He just made something up. That's his nature," Dowd said to Mueller."

SirRumpole · 5 September 2018

bellenuit said:
Bob Woodward: Trump's aides stole his papers 'to protect the country'

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/04/politics/bob-woodward-book-donald-trump-fear/index.html

Can Trump survive much longer ?

moXJO · 5 September 2018

CNN is like quoting Disney. They literally backed their own lies recently in a story.

All this rubbish will keep flowing to midterms. The whole point being to sway the votes.

luutzu · 5 September 2018

moXJO said:
CNN is like quoting Disney. They literally backed their own lies recently in a story.

All this rubbish will keep flowing to midterms. The whole point being to sway the votes.

They're all Disney though. Except maybe Fox News... that's more DC kind of darkness.

Saw an interview with Chris Hedges on MSNBC the other day.

Hedges is one of those who see the crumbling, decline of the American empire etc. The news anchor just have no idea what the heck he's on about.

What? Half the country is poor? How? Corporations control the government, destroying democracy, the environment? Whaaatt?

Thanks for your opinion Chris. That was Chris, a loonie with a show on Russia TV - a Moscow funded organisation talking trash about we exceptional Americans.

bellenuit · 5 September 2018

moXJO said:
CNN is like quoting Disney. They literally backed their own lies recently in a story.

All this rubbish will keep flowing to midterms. The whole point being to sway the votes.

It would be useful if you read the story. The revelations are not from CNN but from a new book by Bob Woodward of Watergate fame.

Kerway · 5 September 2018

SirRumpole said:
Can Trump survive much longer ?

I hope so. The US economy is booming way beyond where it was under Obama. Obama had the huge advantage of taking over at the time of the global recession and a time when the US economy could only improve.

Trump is indeed an arrogant egotist, but he is not constrained, as was Obama and many other professional politicians, with a burning desire to be "liked". Trump seeks only to be respected.

luutzu · 5 September 2018

Kerway said:
I hope so. The US economy is booming way beyond where it was under Obama. Obama had the huge advantage of taking over at the time of the global recession and a time when the US economy could only improve.

Trump is indeed an arrogant egotist, but he is not constrained, as was Obama and many other professional politicians, with a burning desire to be "liked". Trump seeks only to be respected.

The market booms. Not so sure about the general economy. Well... maybe a different kind of boom, one with a crater.

Darc Knight · 5 September 2018

bellenuit said:
It would be useful if you read the story. The revelations are not from CNN but from a new book by Bob Woodward of Watergate fame.

Not only that, but Woodward says he has hundreds of hours of taped interviews backing his claims. Which of course he would, knowing what a liar and litigious person Trump is.
Theres also a direct interview confrontation between Woodward and Teump where Trump totally reverses his story showing him to be a total liar still ...... @moXJO

And we're off and racing again!

SirRumpole · 5 September 2018

Kerway said:
I hope so. The US economy is booming way beyond where it was under Obama. Obama had the huge advantage of taking over at the time of the global recession and a time when the US economy could only improve.

Trump is indeed an arrogant egotist, but he is not constrained, as was Obama and many other professional politicians, with a burning desire to be "liked". Trump seeks only to be respected.

I guess you can get a good economy temporarily if you are prepared to pay for it with debt and deficit, but sooner or later it will all come crashing down.

sptrawler · 5 September 2018

Kerway said:
I hope so. The US economy is booming way beyond where it was under Obama. Obama had the huge advantage of taking over at the time of the global recession and a time when the US economy could only improve.

Trump is indeed an arrogant egotist, but he is not constrained, as was Obama and many other professional politicians, with a burning desire to be "liked". Trump seeks only to be respected.

Like you say, he is doing a good job of kickstarting the World economy, he certainly wouldn't win any personality competitions, but he is getting things done that no one else seemed to.

bellenuit · 5 September 2018

sptrawler said:
Like you say, he is doing a good job of kickstarting the World economy, he certainly wouldn't win any personality competitions, but he is getting things done that no one else seemed to.

Only if you listen to him. His achievements vs Obama hardly indicate exceptionalism on his behalf, particularly if you remember Obama had to deal with the Bush caused recession.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-42748243

Even though he often touts the Dow Jones as an indicator of his success, the chart in the article above shows that it was started under Obama. In fact the chart is misleading, as stock charts should be to a logarithmic scale and this one is linear. On the log scale, the increase under Trump is not as dramatic.

luutzu · 5 September 2018

sptrawler said:
Like you say, he is doing a good job of kickstarting the World economy, he certainly wouldn't win any personality competitions, but he is getting things done that no one else seemed to.

Not all things done, should be done.

If Climate Change is real and the scientists are right that the human species could be doomed if we keep going the way we have... and evidence suggests that they might know what they're talking about... Trump's policies about nail us all.

If the peasants in 'merka like clean water and fresh air... they're crap out of luck too.

If they dare go against God and need an abortion... the new, any eventual, Justice under Trump will screwed that too. Family. Value. Votes.

If they're poor, sick... they're stuffed. But then they've always been stuffed under any admin so that's not Trump' fault, he just ramp it up a couple notches.

But if they own stocks, which about 10% of them do... or run a corporation... or their parents have hundreds of millions and about to kick the can... they just can't believe their luck under Trump.

luutzu · 5 September 2018

bellenuit said:
Only if you listen to him. His achievements vs Obama hardly indicate exceptionalism on his behalf, particularly if you remember Obama had to deal with the Bush caused recession.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-42748243

Even though he often touts the Dow Jones as an indicator of his success, the chart in the article above shows that it was started under Obama. In fact the chart is misleading, as stock charts should be to a logarithmic scale and this one is linear. On the log scale, the increase under Trump is not as dramatic.

yea, let's compare how presidents do by the freaking stock index shall we.

moXJO · 5 September 2018

bellenuit said:
Only if you listen to him. His achievements vs Obama hardly indicate exceptionalism on his behalf, particularly if you remember Obama had to deal with the Bush caused recession.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-42748243

Even though he often touts the Dow Jones as an indicator of his success, the chart in the article above shows that it was started under Obama. In fact the chart is misleading, as stock charts should be to a logarithmic scale and this one is linear. On the log scale, the increase under Trump is not as dramatic.

Coming from the depths of lowest of lows isn't much of an achievement. He followed bush's advice by the way.

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