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Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

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You guys don't really get it do you? There is the left and then there is the deranged left, they are two completely different Beasts.
 
wayneL said:
You guys don't really get it do you? There is the left and then there is the deranged left, they are two completely different Beasts.
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So what Lefty US or Australian pollies are acceptable to you wayne ?
 
SirRumpole said:
So what Lefty US or Australian pollies are acceptable to you wayne ?
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I liked Crean, I reckon he got dudded. I like Albo and a few others.. Dreyfuss etc. I have a shitload of respect for Steven Pinker in academia, and there are quite a few others.

Many will argue whether Hawke an Keating were truly left, but they were a great team.

There are a lot of left of center thinkers I really like too.

Some of those are economically fuether left than I like, but always prepared to listen to their points.

Just off the top of my head
 
Yeah possibly more chinese

I think the reshaping of the world order is a must do.
China can't be contained and will open an opposing axis to US current partnerships.
 
Keating was NSW Labor right - middle of the road or as close to as a Lib or Labor can be. That middle of the road position was the trend in "the West" around then.
I'm shocked ASF's President of the Deranged Trump Fan Boy Club is a fan of Keating
 
The interesting thing about Trump is that he's like no other President. Therefore, he would have a set of skills (good or bad) that should be able to solve problems other "traditional" Presidents haven't been able to solve.
While I don't respect Trump due to his past, I am intrigued to see how his different set of skills (and perceptions) deal with problems.
 
Well now he's agreeing to a tripartite agreement between his country, our country and Japan to build our own synthetic silk road in competition to China's.
 
Sums up my position on this as well. The people voted for change and that's what they got.

I do think a second term would be more dangerous though.
 
SirRumpole said:
The best politicians in my view are realists with a heart, and those two were.
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When there are watershed moments around the world, the electorates/representatives seem to pickup up on the cues and install Labor govts:

CUrtin & Chifley WW2 and post war self sufficiency and industrialisation
Whitlam and social and trade cognisance
Hawke & Keating global mercantile & economic expansion
Rudd/Gillard global economic malaise

now the rise of China and disintegration of European union presents a threat that puts Labor in the hot seat, but it will probably lose because it no longer has a strong man persona, focusing more on petticoat politics instead of survival and strengthening of the tribe.
 
Tisme said:
but it will probably lose because it no longer has a strong man persona, focusing more on petticoat politics instead of survival and strengthening of the tribe.
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True, but in contrast you a have a Liberal Party whose sole economic policy is to give tax cuts to people who don't need it.

The hip pocket usually wins.
 
SirRumpole said:
True, but in contrast you a have a Liberal Party whose sole economic policy is to give tax cuts to people who don't need it.

The hip pocket usually wins.
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Like it or not, the Libs were never an economy based party. Menzies relegated economics as a consequence of activity, Whitlam scratched the surface of the old skool practices by changing the party focus from democratic socialism to socially democratic programs that tended to exceed the Libs constrained liberalism by opening up opportunity for lower middle class wealth creation and rural revitalisation through external trade opportunities and tarriff reductions.

Labor, under Keating dismantled the moribund Menzian/Frasier economic models of activity driving economics and reworked them into the economy driving activity; the LNP have never quite caught up to that mantra, preferring simple levers that work in a household budget scenario (lower costs, lower quality, use old tools and appliances, recycle, etc), but ignore the need to value ad our strengths and build infrastructure to carry that forward.... too long hanging off Britain and USA economic coattails.
 
Trump attempting to blow the budget deficit even further out of the water, and provide more tax breaks to the wealthiest 1% of americans. It's mind-blowing to me, that his supporter base can't see they are being absolutely screwed by their supreme leader.

Whoever comes into power post-Trump is going to be left with a mess of a budget to deal with, and likely with a rising unemployment rate to go with it.

https://www.afr.com/markets/equity-...ential-135b-boost-for-wealthy-20180730-h13cpp


 

The baby boomers are about to retire in droves which means the Social Security Trust Fund that the various Presidents have used to fund spending will start emptying. If payroll receipts don't build up to compensate the loss of trust money to retiring baby boomers then treasury bond interest rates will be forced up and along with it taxation. The USA will become vulnerable to debt, the dollar value will fall, offshore investors will get paid less, demand will fall, China and Japan will buy more securities to fund US consumer demand for their exports and keep their currencies low, until it becomes a basket case and they will pull out for the new markets elsewhere.

Donald Trump would know this, thus why he's trying to build a domestic industry to support a domestic market which will put pressure on the overseas competition to start building its own payroll receipts.
 

Trump started by saying he would cut military spending and improve infrastructure.
Instead he has done the opposite. the whole place is decaying. The debt is rising rapidly and for what?
Cambodia has just become a colony of China in effect. Who's next?
 

Thailand? Or at least the southern part where they're planning a Thai Canal to bypass Singapore and the Malacca Strait.

But Trump's building a wall though. A wall is technically an infrastructure.

And this just in.....

Trump is "planning" to give investor $100B capital gains tax relief.

You see, paying 20% on profit gained in the capital market is good. But it's gooder if the tax code define "profit" properly... as in, profits have to be adjusted for inflation to be "real".

That's just plain common sense.

Take the income from labour. Well, they're taken... I mean, use it as an example. Wages haven't grown in any real sense; workers are more experienced, more knowledgeable, more productive with each day of work but their wages remain the same... So you tax them more?


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ns-tax-cut-for-wealthy-ny-times-idUSKBN1KK2GL
 
luutzu said:
Thailand? Or at least the southern part where they're planning a Thai Canal to bypass Singapore and the Malacca Strait.
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Thai population ain't that friendly with the Chinese. Chinese have been spending up big in Thailand though.
Thais are more patriotic then Americans. They won't bow.
 
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