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Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

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explod said:
How about the septic tanks handing over their nukes, hey hey
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That's a good point. Someone once made the point to me that the Yanks don't want anyone else with more Military power than them, that's why they go so hard against anyone with an infant Nuclear program or chemical weapons program. It's all self interest, rather than an attempt to achieve world peace. If America were a small struggling nation you reckon they'd be trying to process Nukes?
 

Dynamite..I didn't realise that all the 4 surprise wins had been by the same 1% figure. That doesn't make sense does it ? What happened to very close wins or slightly larger ones.

Be interesting to see if this gets the investigation it warrants.
 
moXJO said:
Explained a bit here:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-l...Trump-actually-won-every-surprise-swing-state
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The thing about the Quora article is that it was written in 2016 and all the comments are also from that year and they are all referencing a Palmer article from November 18 2016. One of the comments contained this point:

2.) There has been no reputable evidence of voting machine hacking playing a part in shaping the outcome of this election. I am not saying that I am certain if it did or did not take place, but claims that not only did it occur, but that it led to Trump’s victory, are completely baseless without evidence.

However, the article I posted online today and to which you commented Explained a bit here pointing to the 2016 articles and comments, was written just 4 days ago and contained this piece of information that was not included in or known at the time of the 2016 Palmer article:

The Senate Intel Committee released a bipartisan report this week which confirmed that Russian hackers penetrated voter registration data in key states, and were in position to alter or delete voter registration data. So now we know it wasn’t a matter of the hackers breaking in on election night and rewriting the vote totals. Instead the hackers broke in beforehand and sabotaged the registration data for just enough targeted voters so as to keep them from being able to vote when they showed up.

I am assuming that part in bold (my addition) is confirmed by the Senate Intel Committee and the rest is speculation on that fact by Palmer. So there was no evidence of voter machine hacking as dissed by the 2016 commenter, but there is evidence of penetration of voter registration data, which is what the more recent Palmer article is using as the basis for its piece.

I haven't had time to look for the Senate Intel Report, but it would be interesting if it is saying just that the hackers were in position to alter or delete voter registration data or whether they actually have proof that they did alter that data.
 
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I haven't had time to look for the Senate Intel Report, but it would be interesting if it is saying just that the hackers were in position to alter or delete voter registration data or whether they actually have proof that they did alter that data.
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I still haven't found the original report, but commentary from diverse sources including those known to be opposed to Trump (Washington Post and Huffington Post) suggest that although the hackers had penetrated the voter registration info in a small number of cases, there is no evidence they actually did tamper with that data.
 
I'll scan around. Sounds a bit far fetched though.
 
Palmer report is a liberal propaganda rag. Mixes enough facts with bs to make it sound credible.
 
Live ( and death) in Jerusalem. How to totally burn your friends, allies and everyone else who isn't a Jew in Israel. ( Acknowledgements to those Jews who don't agree with the Armys response.)

Israel faces outcry over Gaza killings during Jerusalem embassy protests
Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel obliged to ‘defend its borders’ after dozens of protesters die during Gaza’s bloodiest day since 2014 war

Oliver Holmes in Jerusalem and Hazem Balousha in Gaza City

Tue 15 May 2018 04.55 BST First published on Mon 14 May 2018 10.38 BST

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Palestinians killed as US opens embassy in Jerusalem – video report
Israel faced international condemnation after Gaza had its bloodiest day in years on Monday when Israeli forces killed 55 Palestinians and wounded at least 1,200 during protests against the opening of the US embassy in Jerusalem.

The funerals of those killed are expected to take place in the coastal enclave today, coinciding with the day Palestinians mark the “Nakba”, or catastrophe, commemorating the more than 700,000 Palestinians who fled or were expelled from their homes in the 1948 war surrounding Israel’s creation.

The UN human rights chief, Zeid Ra’ad al-Hussein, decried Monday’s “shocking killing of dozens”, saying “those responsible for outrageous human rights violations must be held to account”.

Turkey said it would recall its ambassadors to the US and Israel, and its president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, described Israel’s actions as “genocide”. South Africa also recalled its ambassador in protest at the “violent aggression carried out by Israeli armed forces”.

French president Emmanuel Macron “condemned the violence of the Israeli armed forces against protesters” in a telephone conversation with Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas and Jordan’s King Abdullah II. He also reaffirmed criticism of the US decision to move the embassy to Jerusalem.

Kuwait requested an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, which diplomats later told AFP the US had blocked.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...they-are-risking-lives-in-us-embassy-protests
 
And in whose name is this hideous provocation of an Embassy being blessed ?

Pastor who prayed at embassy opening
is 'a religious bigot', says Mitt Romney
Robert Jeffress delivered blessing and praised Trump’s ‘determination and courage’ in moving embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem

Martin Pengelly and agencies

@MartinPengelly
Mon 14 May 2018 17.57 BST First published on Mon 14 May 2018 13.10 BST

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Robert Jeffress has drawn severe criticism for calling Islam and Mormonism ‘heresy from the pit of hell’ and saying Jews ‘can’t be saved’. Photograph: Carolyn Kaster/AP
An evangelical pastor who former presidential candidate Mitt Romney denounced as a “religious bigot” delivered a prayer at the opening of the US embassy in Jerusalem on Monday.

Praising Donald Trump’s “determination, resolve, courage” in moving the embassy from Tel Aviv despite warnings that the ploy would provoke violent protest, Robert Jeffress said God had “has given us a president” who “stands on … the right side of you, oh God, when it comes to Israel”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...r-us-embassy-embassy-donald-trump-mitt-romney
 
N.Korea might be pulling out of the June 12th meeting in Singapore. Didn't like the war game the US and South Korea is going to play as he leaves home for peace talks.

A pretty funny take on WMD and disarmament. Russians do have a good sense of humour.

 
America improves and Australia upticks. Any gratitude ...nope.

If an imbecile is running the USA, what does that say about the calibre of those who stalled their economy prior?
 
It looks like the summit may be in trouble unfortunately. I was surprised that some had thought that NK would give up their nuclear arsenal and their optimism hearing NK was willing to come to talks was based on unrealistic assumptions of what NK would agree to. It is also quite clear that NK's willingness to destroy their testing facility was nothing more than showmanship as the facilities were severely damaged in any case, which was confirmed by China.

 

If you're Kim, would you leave your castle for a faraway meeting where the full military of the country you're meeting are going to have a war game that involves taking you out?

It'd be insane for NK, or Iran, to put down their nuclear weapons. Not saying those countries' gov't are nice or good. Just from a sane perspective, talking peace and disarm yourself when treaties can be broken and promises were never kept... not a good idea.

And John Bolton saying NK should follow "the Libyan Model" and denuclearised. Libya got properly bombed soon after right?

Maybe the advisers around Kim do read history, or watch Chinese historical dramas. They would at least know that after the Three Kingdoms from Han's China were united, with the TsaoTsao dynasty taking control... then soon lost in a single day because the new Emperor took his entire family and senior advisers to pray at the family's temple.
 
And John Bolton asking Kim to follow "the Libyan Model". Nothing subtle there at all. Just give everything up and trust us......

The North Koreans despise John Bolton. He has serious history in torpedoing any efforts at rapproachment between NK and the rest of the world.

Trump faces North Korea dilemma after John Bolton infuriates Pyongyang

Trump is keen to keep his appointment in Singapore but the row involving his national security adviser presents a serious hurdle.

.... Bolton has a track record with the North Koreans, who blame him for persuading the George W Bush administration to quit a 1994 nuclear deal, the Agreed Framework. In his memoir, Surrender is Not an Option, Bolton boasts about his success in torpedoing state department efforts to keep talks with Pyongyang alive, deriding the diplomats as appeasers.

At the time, the regime denounced him as “human scum” and a “bloodsucker”, banning him from any bilateral talks. On Wednesday, the first deputy prime minister, Kim Kye-gwan, made it clear that the regime’s antipathy had not mellowed with time, noting “we do not hide our feeling of repugnance towards him”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/16/trump-north-korea-nuclear-summit-john-bolton
 
"If an imbecile is running the US what does that say about people who think he is doing a great job ?"
 
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