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Wait until you get into the real world champ before making claims like this....
(I can see it now...'Mum, l had to do x amount of OT and they won't pay me for it'....cry baby, cry!)
Or you could work better than your competition in the amount of time allocated in the day to do work. Your notion of getting ahead is amazingly simplistic and basically relies on the brute force waste of time to do so. I prefer to do it through superior skills and knowledge.
Wait until you get into the real world champ before making claims like this....
(I can see it now...'Mum, l had to do x amount of OT and they won't pay me for it'....cry baby, cry!)
This is an economic argument rather than an environmental one. Also it's a pretty big generalisation, ie. some of our trading partners do have carbon trading systems in place. In this sense, we are actually late with ours.
Are you kidding me? It's entirely relevant. Why put forth an arbitrary figure without anything to compare it to? This is the worst sort of reporting, and nothing less than I would expect from News Ltd.
Patrol powered cars are hardly "modern stuff", they have been around for a very very long time. I would consider "modern stuff" to be more along the lines of electric cars.
Or you could work better than your competition in the amount of time allocated in the day to do work. Your notion of getting ahead is amazingly simplistic and basically relies on the brute force waste of time to do so. I prefer to do it through superior skills and knowledge.
How is experience relevant to the reason why workplace laws are in place?
This is what people say when they have backed themselves into a corner. You in fact can not explain your claims, because they are simply false. I did not "demand" you do anything either, I am merely giving your the opportunity to vindicate yourself from making false claims.
Parties are boring. No intellectual stimulation...
I understand your point; this is my biggest problem with the carbon tax, the fact that there is any compensation at all. It amounts to pressing the acceleration and break at the same time...it makes no sense.
But in regards to that, if the Greens had their way there would be no compensation (except for low income earners perhaps), this is something brought on by ALP.
I don't see how top income earners need any compensation, especially considering how little impact a price of $23/t will have.
I assert my mind is more open than yours.
You mean policies like...the baby bonus? FHOG? FHOB? Those sorts of policies? Yes, the greens are such a terrible party, oh wait...
Rubbish unions moved work safety standards from projects budgeting for deaths to no deaths being acceptable on the job.
That came from hard fought campaigns in the 70's, 80's,90's and is ongoing now.
If you feel that work place deaths are acceptable then disband unions tomorrow.
The comments about unions here is half truths at best.
Oh you missed a whole lot of history there Ifocus and it had little to do with worker safety and a whole lot about being a parasitic toss force imposed on the workplace. But some employers do need their heads kicked once in a while. So yes while they $hit me to tears I do believe they are still needed. But their needs to be a solid balance of power between unions and employers. Once the pendulum swings to far either direction there are always problems
Quote Originally Posted by Starcraftmazter View Post
Or you could work better than your competition in the amount of time allocated in the day to do work. Your notion of getting ahead is amazingly simplistic and basically relies on the brute force waste of time to do so. I prefer to do it through superior skills and knowledge.
Wait until you get into the real world champ before making claims like this....
(I can see it now...'Mum, l had to do x amount of OT and they won't pay me for it'....cry baby, cry! Danny boy)
(I can see it now...'Mum, l had to do x amount of OT and they won't pay me for it'....cry baby, cry! Moxjo)
Agreed.But some employers do need their heads kicked once in a while. So yes while they $hit me to tears I do believe they are still needed. But their needs to be a solid balance of power between unions and employers. Once the pendulum swings to far either direction there are always problems
Was my name in that quote?
Had a brain fade while writing.
I thought you might. I believe you... promise... honestly
I suppose you believe you can urinate further than me as well?
This is another hypothesis of mine that you have conveniently added some observational data to, viz those watermelons of the extreme left have a deficiency rendering them unable to recognize tongue in cheek comment.
BTW, I have never heard of these. Sounds exciting, what are they?
What is the rate of carbon tax in those countries with which we directly compete (as distinct from trade with)?
South Africa? Qatar? Brazil? Saudi Arabia? Canada? Indonesia? USA?
Which nations? What exactly are you comparing it too?
You accuse others of being light on detail and then commit the same act.
And as for electric cars they are currently not much better than petrol pollution wise. And without coal fueled power stations I'd like to see whole suburbs recharge their cars at night.
Tell me are you going to be an employee or run your own business?
If it is employee, how exactly should you be paid for your super fast and efficient work? Because I can see the unions jumping up and down now on any cut in hours without an increase in wages. Business is already copping wage increase without productivity increase. It also opens a whole can of worms on other issues. You are looking at it from the point of an 'ideal world' scenario without factoring in the opposing forces in which make up the workplace.
Just get in there, you have the rest of your life to be a boring twat. Enjoy your youth.
So you want a tax that does very little to avert climate change. Destroy the economy so we can't tackle climate change from a better financial position? Yes let’s also punish people for breathing out
No it's not really. However maybe you are not the propaganda machine I thought you were and genuinely want to be challenged. Drop the hug the planet bs and come over to the dark and productive side. At least things get done when you can make your own money and you are allowed to decide where you want to spend it.
That's your argument oh the lib/lab do it as well. Last time I checked they didn't throw us back to the Stone Age either.
Obviously you are an intelligent person and your thinking will change through experience imo.
I noticed that Star is a new member to ASF and I think if we want to have a healthy, growing and diverse online community we could offer some civility to him (as well as everyone else) :
And as for electric cars they are currently not much better than petrol pollution wise. And without coal fueled power stations I'd like to see whole suburbs recharge their cars at night.
Where t.f. do you think the materials come from and are processed to make these cars. You don't know ****.Given they don't actually burn any oil or any other fossil fuels, I would claim they are a lot better.
Wrong again! This is not an Australian carbon dioxide issue. The problem is large countries creating ever increasing pollution and regardless what our tiny amount of reduction is at the expense of whole towns and jobs gone overseas, they will still produce more.The choice is between doing nothing and starting a carbon trading scheme. This is how it has to start (that is, in our present political climate), it may not be overly effective, but it is very much supposed to lead to something better.
Do you push paper in a government role? A position shuffling paper in the new climate change ministry?I already make my own money and decide how to spend it...this is why I am here - because I do not subscribe to consumerist behaviour, but would rather see my capital be put into productive investments which further our economy.
Well written.Productivity and environmental responsibility as well as sustainability however do not need to be mutually exclusive.
M
We are not in any stone age; I do not take kindly to mindless exaggerations.
Of course, it always does; but to take this thread as an example, so far nobody has presented any sort of a coherent argument, just a lot of "well, you're young, indoctrinated, and I run a business and want more money so maybe you should work like a Chinese slave labourer, <insert something from News Ltd here>" rubbish.
Where t.f. do you think the materials come from and are processed to make these cars. You don't know ****.
Wrong again! This is not an Australian carbon dioxide issue. The problem is large countries creating ever increasing pollution and regardless what our tiny amount of reduction is at the expense of whole towns and jobs gone overseas, they will still produce more.
I'm talking Stone Age business wise and I'm not exaggerating. You want to lose innovation and investment then follow that line of thinking.
You wanting to be an employee is no surprise though
You also want to be babied by government then Good for you.
Way to get out of making a stupid comment.
I read somewhere that the energy output (pollutants) required to make an electric car outweighs the total emissions the car would produce in it's lifetime. Of course it is better than a fossil fuel based car (but suprisingly not that much) Has something to do with the batteries/electric motors/development etc. Just take the diesel bus instead.
Not wanting to be picky about the solar panels on the roof thingy but unless they are linked to a battery storage system they will have no electricity generation capacity at night. Most of the power during the day will go into running the house and excess goes into the grid. At night it is a whole different regime. Just thought I would point that out.
but that is likely to alienate you from those whom you seek to influence.
But back onto the drinking passage; I note that you fail to participate in reasoned debate on why you think it is wrong, but instead revert to the kindergarten style "it's stupid" type approach, without any intellectual validation.
I will look forward to something other than puerile taunts and convoluted waffle with no point from you
Sounds interesting, but unless you can find the source I have an extremely hard time believing this.
If you read my posts, this is precisely what I said, ie. linked to a battery which stores the energy during daytime and recharges the car at night. This is not complicated or uncommon (the battery setup that is), and it is certainly not impossible.
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