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Snake Pliskin said:There seems to be a lot of negativity towards Australia and Australians, even by Australians. What are your thoughts about politics, culture (yes we do have one), language, cities, TV etc...
visual said:I don`t like about Australia the fact that there are no Australians in Australia,except for those who cant remember far enough to claim some ethnicity.
Let me explain,my husband was born here,yet he is Italian,my children were born here yet they are referred as being Italian.Also let me make it absolutely clear I`m absolutely not ashamed of being Italian,yet I can`t see how my children would qualify.
On my last trip to Italy my uncle heard me refer to myself as being Italian,he was incredulous,how can someone who left 30 years ago still refer to herself as being Italian,what kind of country is Australia that you still consider yourself Italian.He asked.
My son will argue with me that his teacher told him that he is what he isbut what about where you were born,the passport you use to travel,what does that determine,my nationality, was his reply,so now I`m confused.
And this started at kinder,they started kinder as Australians but came home Italians.
As an Italian I can tell you that each region has got it`s own distinct culture,food,way of doing things ,so in effect saying to the kids,thats how its done in Italy is talking utter rubbish.And this doesnt just apply to Italians,I`m using Italians as an example for obvious reasons.
Aistralian kids seem not to be getting this opportunity to establish or grow their own cultural identity,certainly I`d say since that word multiculturalism was introduced into the vocabulary.So instead of blending everyone in togheter ,people are being divided along lines that don`t exist.Italians living in Australia are so different compared to the Italians living in Italy almost to the point of being considered aliens.
Blitzed said:That balloon head "David Koch"! ( and that bird on channel 9 in the mornings that has a face like thiseven when she is talking about something serious.
The saying "It's just not the Austrrraaalian way!!!......when it is.
The fact that they can take poo, vomitand bleach etc out of our water and want us to drink it but they can't take the salt from our sea water to use it. (or am I mistaken?) The thought of drinking filtered sea water just goes down a bit better.
Blitzed said:The saying "It's just not the Austrrraaalian way!!!......when it is.
Realist said:
ahh that aint a problem with Australia, that is a problem with Italians..
It is the same with Italians in the US and elsewhere...
They make good pasta and pizza though, so I'll let them off. Although good pizza always has pineapple on it!!
visual said:Ah,Realist wrong!yes in America Italians 4 generations back are referred as Italians ,and probably in other places too.But you`d have a point if Italians referred to people they exported as their own ,they don`t,also other countries don`t.
If Italians go to Italy they are referred to as Australians,see Italians don`t have any need to keep referreing to us as their own,they`ve moved on.It is the people who left who having been unable to blend in and this is going to be a long discussion if we get into it.Still refer to themselves as something that really they are not.
By the way ,do you realise that what you consider pizza ,doesnt actually exist in Italy,and did you know the Bolognese ,people from Bologna ,don`t know why sauce with meat is referred to as Bolognese sauce.A sauce tecnically named after their city.
visual said:Ah,Realist wrong!yes in America Italians 4 generations back are referred as Italians ,and probably in other places too.But you`d have a point if Italians referred to people they exported as their own ,they don`t,also other countries don`t.
If Italians go to Italy they are referred to as Australians,see Italians don`t have any need to keep referreing to us as their own,they`ve moved on.It is the people who left who having been unable to blend in and this is going to be a long discussion if we get into it.Still refer to themselves as something that really they are not.
By the way ,do you realise that what you consider pizza ,doesnt actually exist in Italy,and did you know the Bolognese ,people from Bologna ,don`t know why sauce with meat is referred to as Bolognese sauce.A sauce tecnically named after their city.
juddy said:the three week break in between the footy and cricket season. They should overlap.
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