Is it little wonder when you make your thoughts very well known by posting on most strategy threads, yet there is no real evidence from yourself and your trades.....that journal has gone mighty quiet
Tech/a said:You/I anyone can manipulate if they actually trade their R/R and if you actually recorded and followed your R/R you wouldnt have posted the above.A trader doesnt decide anything it IS what it IS.
Im not talking theoretical R/R at the start of a trade either.
I'm talking closed trade R/R from your figures of past trades since you started.
You constanly work at increasing R/R and win rate.
What do real trades have to do with this discussion? Nothing. I've stated my reason for not posting in my journal at the moment. I don't see any evidence on the other side of the topic Sam, and there rarely ever is.
At least someone does. Not many people ever seem to agree with me down here in trading strategy discussion..
Hi Tech,
I think you are being a tad unfair
"I can double an initial R objective from 3 to 6 by halving the risk straight after I take a trade"
The initial risk is what the trade was based on, so it should be the risk value used in the final R/R!!
The fact that you reduced it during the trade is good trade management, or money management (whatever you want to call it)
You've learnt too much from your accountant on how to "cook the books"
Peter
What do real trades have to do with this discussion? Nothing
Of course R:R can be manipulated, it's as easy as setting a stop loss and target profit. This isn't theoretical R:R, this would be someone deciding their R:R
ThingyMajiggy said:You don't need to over-analyse and come up with a theory/argument for everything you know
Tech/a said:Everything!
Lets say I do that with 10 trades and everyone of them work out my R is phenominal.
In real life I you anyone should work at reducing their finally recorded risk that they actually liquidate.
I may start with a 1% risk but in real closed trades be way way lower than that!
Hence my return to risk is much greater in real life as my theorehtical when I place a trade.
I dunno but perhaps its something you havent thought of??
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Barney said:What Tech is on about is RR in results based stock trading scenarios ....
What J is on about is RR in a more theoretical/testing type of sense, but more from more a Forex point of view ?
My r:r is averaging about 6:1 at the moment, but it's not a goal, just the result of my trades.
I have another theory in which markets are markets, and that they generally behave in similar ways.
Group Hug?
6-1 !! ..... its all downhill from here J .. JK ..... well done.
I notice we've gone a fair bit off-topic.
I can have say a position with $1000 risk at say 10c
10000 of them.
I initially think its going to rise 30c thats J's 3R
I get in the trade and notice a volume supported test of the low after 3 hrs trading at B/E so I move the stop there.
Instant No risk.
I would just like to throw a spanner in the works after the group hug in terms of R:R.
Using Tech/a's example...
The stock moves 20c in your favour.
Where do you place your stop, why, and how much are you risking??
brty
But if you did and you moved it to B/E then your risk is basically zero on the trade (Other than Brokerage),if it was to be closed out at the new stop level.
When recording that trades performance it would be B/E no effect on Profit or loss. A Dot Ball.
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