Western society is doomed

If you wish to keep western culture alive,then live it.

Caveman said:

If you wish to keep western culture alive,then live it.

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Yeah but the great irony is that Western culture is now illegal in the West. Living it will get you arrested. </hyperboleincaseyoudidntgetit>

wayneL said:

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Like most of the rubbish you post.

Caveman said:

Like most of the rubbish you post.

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You obviously didn't get it, not surprised really.

Tisme said:

I think you are going off track there, otherwise you are endorsing my concerns about "western society is doomed"?

I fail to see the heroics at white anting and betrayal of our society in favour of the slide down to communism, authoritarianism, communism. etc.

Selling out our uniquity for the bullsh1t age of Aquarius attitude of the neo-marxists, will continue to add to thought control laws and eventually we'll need a permit to express any opinion that runs counter to what the authorities deem acceptable.

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No we will just invent another course you can do, to get the appropriate license, that has to be renewed every two years.
Just contact the appropriate union, to find out details.

sptrawler said:

No we will just invent another course you can do, to get the appropriate license, that has to be renewed every two years.
Just contact the appropriate union, to find out details.

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IF only it was unions. The experience is that permits, licences, privacy etc seems to be the domain of the LNP in QLD, but no side looks at remit or relief from the madness.

The sad truth about the world

The US and poverty.

Life expectancy falling; suicide up; highest childhood poverty; infant mortality now worst than China, China!

And it just got a whole lot worst under Trump.

luutzu said:

The US and poverty.

Life expectancy falling; suicide up; highest childhood poverty; infant mortality now worst than China, China!

And it just got a whole lot worst under Trump.

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Is that trend also up in Australia I wonder?

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You know when those neoCons uses the term "having access to", it doesn't mean the same thing we normal humans think it mean.

They mean that people can have those goodies, IF, they have the cash. Kinda like we all have access to mansion and a private jet... just have to have cash to access it.

So take that UN report... there are Americans in country America that still doesn't have access to the sewerage system. The technology is there, the mains is a few tens of kilometers away... So unless they have a spare $30,000 USD, they'll have to watch their sewage flow to their backyard.

The UN guy asked the councillors if there's any plan to extend the sewage system there. Nope. Is there any plan to help those impoverished Americans getting a loan or some assistance to help them? Freedom?



Shouldn't mix Western Civilisation with Capitalism.

Capitalism has always been around, in every other culture, long before democracy, women's rights, desegregation.

So today's "Western's" form of capitalism is just an attempt to rebrand an ancient form of predatory practises to associate itself with a more successful civil society. The moment that society is screwed up enough, they'll just latch onto another more successful one.

I was reading an interview with Charlie Munger. He's probably one of the nicer billionaires... at least ones who talks more publicly.

Guess what he criticise India for? Not its caste system, not its extreme poverty and social inequality. Na, he said India took the "worst" aspect of western democracy in just giving up digging for coals when a few idiots lay down and protest. He said that you wouldn't find that in China, they wouldn't stop "social progress" just because a few idiot villagers complaint about pollution, its affects in their health and livelihood.

--- That's not technically true nowadays. The comrades are starting to listen to the plebs about pollution and are taking steps to curbed it.


So yea, even though "only" 10%, 15% of Americans are in poverty, they are a lot better off than, I don't know, if they were in India I guess.

Maybe try and ask those in poverty if they're better off...

Maybe they're happy, with a fridge. An empty one, but it look so modern and will definitely keep the food fresh if they can afford fresh food.

moXJO said:

Is that trend also up in Australia I wonder?

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Haven't seen the stats. But I don't think we're as bad as the US, yet.

I mean, wage growth in Australia have been flatlining, like the US. We're privatising everything that makes good money and critical to daily life. Some of our politicians know the need to build infrastructure, if not to ease congestion then it at least create jobs... but not much is being done about it outside the CBD. So we're on the same page with the yanks there.

But we still have our healthcare, welfare system is probably still grudgingly paying those slackers grannies and orphans and students a few bucks.

luutzu said:

Haven't seen the stats. But I don't think we're as bad as the US, yet.

I mean, wage growth in Australia have been flatlining, like the US. We're privatising everything that makes good money and critical to daily life. Some of our politicians know the need to build infrastructure, if not to ease congestion then it at least create jobs... but not much is being done about it outside the CBD. So we're on the same page with the yanks there.

But we still have our healthcare, welfare system is probably still grudgingly paying those slackers grannies and orphans and students a few bucks.

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I'm sure our homeless rate is trending up. I remember the US in the 90's and in some cities I couldn't take a step without another homeless person laying on the street.
A lot of the guys were just down on their luck and ended up on the street.
Its nothing new.

moXJO said:

I'm sure our homeless rate is trending up. I remember the US in the 90's and in some cities I couldn't take a step without another homeless person laying on the street.
A lot of the guys were just down on their luck and ended up on the street.
Its nothing new.

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116.5k homeless in Oz 2016

Comparo : https://www.finder.com.au/homelessness-statistics-australia-vs-world

On decline in USA:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m-a-national-disgrace/?utm_term=.c51486bbf1ff

Tisme said:

116.5k homeless in Oz 2016

Comparo : https://www.finder.com.au/homelessness-statistics-australia-vs-world

On decline in USA:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m-a-national-disgrace/?utm_term=.c51486bbf1ff

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So we have more homeless as a % per pop than the US?

moXJO said:

So we have more homeless as a % per pop than the US?

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Dam, about 2.5x more. Now that's messed up.

moXJO said:

I'm sure our homeless rate is trending up. I remember the US in the 90's and in some cities I couldn't take a step without another homeless person laying on the street.
A lot of the guys were just down on their luck and ended up on the street.
Its nothing new.

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Homelessness is not new, but its rising numbers should be shocking in Western countries. Well, should be shocking in any country, just it's harder to believe in the economically more developed ones.

Here's something else though...

No American earning the minimum wage could afford to rent a 2-bedroom apartment. Or a 1-bedroom. Anywhere in the country, across all states.

Minimum wage earners aren't just HS kids either. They're also adults, with children, works at WalMart, Amazon, Maccas...

What is Trump doing about it?

His admin just raised public housing rentals by 50%; cut food stamps and health insurance to impoverished kids and seniors; ramping up the privatisation of public schools; increased the military budget by an extra $78B or so to some $750B per year.

moXJO said:

Is that trend also up in Australia I wonder?

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I think they stopped publishing suicide rates in Australia, quite a long time ago, from memory I think it is higher than car accident deaths.

I don't know how much I trust some of the stats. A bit like the unemployment rate. Its skewed data.
I find it hard to believe Australia has a higher homelessness rate than the US.

But there is a homeless community living in tents hidden in the sand dunes of the beach where I live. Maybe I've just been ignoring the growing numbers.

The problem with a welfare system is, not everyone is honest, if everyone was honest it would work.