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I think you might just find that income and asset wealth have something in common for the vast bulk of people who are not born as trust fund babies.
I disagree. I think wealth inequality is generational and designed that way through the housing policy. It is a way of bribing the older generations to vote for the continued degradation of younger generations so that rich people can have more money and power.
Mrmagoo, I think you're right. You genuinely are poor. Your impoverishment of spirit, your self-absorbed feeding on your own bitterness makes you so.
You incessantly whine about your situation. How about someone who is unemployed, trying to exist on the dole, unable to meet rent payments, therefore becoming homeless? For you to not see the relativity between your separate positions is a huge insult to the person with a real problem.
Is wealth related to assets? You disagree. Do you have data to justify the hand-waving? Here's some from the lead research body into inequality in the US to add to this:
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The proportion of income from sources other than personal exertion has grown for the top 1%. For everyone else, it has basically not changed. In other words (or mine) 'for the vast bulk of people' there is a direct like between income and wealth. To suggest otherwise requires some high altitude acrobatics...which I look forward to viewing. A direct link does not mean specific people who cannot afford rent or even specific dual income law partners no kids families living in LA.
Before we start going on about the Top 1% being unreachable, 273 of the Forbes 400 were self made...fighting against the tide of horrid parents keeping property away from them. Of the rest, the assets were passed down..presumably by court order in each case from greedy parents with a one-eyed ambition to make them worse off than they had been and degrade them. They are they're ones with the greatest assets, so for your thesis to be even be close to the mark, it would have to be apparent here. Or maybe poorer families hate their kids more.
Do you have data? It seems the They are now rich old folk who want to degrade their kids and do so via policy changes related to property. At least we have an identity of some of the They. Except their actions don't seem to align with the prognostication. Acrobat away... Remember, we can't afford a social safety net.
It is not your own fault for being poor.
As I said. We are just the same as America.
There are a few here that I KNOW have made their choice.
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Sam C
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Julia
Joe Blow
Retired Young
Sir O
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Robusta
Can OZ
YOU!
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I re sat year 11---so I'm no genius.
Tech/A I hope to join that list one day.
As someone who came from state housing and all that entails, there are SOME people in SOME situations who cannot make that CHOICE not to be a bum. I am not sure where I would of ended up if it was not for my mother (She broke the inter generational poverty not me)
So yes it may be YOUR fault but that does not imply you have control over it
As I said. We are just the same as America.
Tech/A I hope to join that list one day.
As someone who came from state housing and all that entails, there are SOME people in SOME situations who cannot make that CHOICE not to be a bum. I am not sure where I would of ended up if it was not for my mother (She broke the inter generational poverty not me)
So yes it may be YOUR fault but that does not imply you have control over it
More people's inability to accept, that they are to some degree responsible for their own outcomes, rather than an intolerance to heat. There are also opportunities at Antarctica.
When were you last in America?
Was there two years ago as a tourist. We're not the same, but we do seem to be slowly heading that way in many regards. You could walk the streets of any Australian city all day and not see as many people begging as you'll see in some US cities in an hour. Get away from the touristy areas and places like San Francisco are a sad sight after dark with homeless people practically everywhere.
Equality does not mean giving everyone equal amounts of everything. It means offering equality of opportunity with supplementary care for people who for various good reasons are simply not able to compete.What do you think causes a person who is on the dole to end up homeless ? Hint : It is the same thing I've been pointing out is a big driver on inequality.
You are a classic example of an Australian who likes the idea of equality, but wouldn't see it put in practice.
That is your right in a democratic society just like it is the right of the Americans to decide a $7 an hour wage is fair and appropriate.
No wealth is related to assets. I was just trying to say there wold need to be some sort of adjustment for generational and house price impacts in societies such as Australia otherwise the results would mostly be meaningless.
For example a $1 million dollar family home in Sydney is owned by someone fully, and by others with a 100% mortgage 10-16% of that money was created in one year and advantages the person selling to the detriment of the buyer.
Equality does not mean giving everyone equal amounts of everything. It means offering equality of opportunity with supplementary care for people who for various good reasons are simply not able to compete.
You on more than $100K p.a., no dependants, no one other than yourself to support, do not fall into such a category.
You have got every opportunity to look for alternatives if you're not happy with your present existence.
The same cannot be said for a family trying to care for eg disabled or severely ill children, and/or demented parents, while they struggle on much less than you earn to either pay rent or a mortgage.
The suggestion has been made that you're a troll, just winding people up. That may be true. In which case we are all foolish for giving you an audience.
We're living at a time when there are real problems to be dealt with. You are not one of them. As far as I'm concerned, I'll now relegate you to the status of someone to be ignored. Thankfully there are few like you.
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