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Wealth Inequality


What if gen y largely fell into the category of having no home ownership and landed in the bottom quartile ?

Then there is a lot more going on than just what income and/or assets have been earned.

Those statistics are vastly more disturbing than I thought they would be, my income, say 2k a weekish places me into the a decent income quartile yet my assets don't come close to breaking teh 25% mark.

Every single person I know has not broken the 25% mark and we're all in our 30s.

Half of my friends are losers, true, but the other half have worked hard are in professional careers and are successful.

The only thing that would put them close to 450k mark is appreciation in house prices.
 
Those statistics are vastly more disturbing than I thought they would be, my income, say 2k a weekish places me into the a decent income quartile yet my assets don't come close to breaking teh 25% mark.
Your getting 2k a week for flipping burgers?WOW im impressed!
 


1. They don't.

2. Then save. Also, the general type of household has two income earners. That makes it easier to save. If you want to consume, you cannot invest. If you cannot invest, all you have is personal income. Pretty simple. You want assets? Save.

3. Everything which involves a sliver of differentiation seems to freak you. At least you are consistent.

4. You need to get to know more people. I suspect they may not be partnered and thus consume more of their income, making it hard to save. The stats are at the household level. Single breadwinner households in accumulation phase is being phased out. More common now is the two income household. Stats on women enering the workforce are plentiful. Don't give me a comeback on two incomes required to blah blah. There are a ton of reversions.

5. Only half? As for the rest, can they possibly consider that housing is only one type of wealth depository? Might it be that it is actually a better investment decision to rent? Where is my violin when I need one?

6. Before housing appreciation came a mortgage (well, for most). Before a mortage came a deposit (well, for some). Before a deposit came saving. Before saving came some people who actually freakin worked and were single minded about getting that deposit. A stack of billionaires did not get rich on residential property. Warren Buffet's house is something your friends would regard as insufficiently chic.

The less you whine, the more time you have to save and invest. Hang out with losers and the nits jump across and infect you. It's only time. You seem infested.

Stop whinging. You have means. You are destroying your financial position and the great opportunities that are present, whose value increases manifold with initiative. No one says the world is fair. For the most part, it is fair enough if you take the opportunities that come before us all. Piss it away, plenty of others will collect it and you'll still be whinging about how some kid from the back blocks owns a mansion in Mosman and that you knew him when he was just a blah blah. He doesn't even remember meeting you.



Mate, get off your @rse. You are rich. You just make yourself feel poor with this poison and spend your (pretty decent, I have to say) intellect against yourself. Very nasty loop. I do feel your pain. However, it's not the system. It's not perfect, but the doors to mobility are not welded shut. If there is a problem with your personal situation, it's you. You are rich. Act/think like it. All this excuse-laden policy mumbo-jumbo is waste of time.

But do let me know if you take an effort to improve your situation. Happy to help if you want to actually move forward. Heaps of people here want others to succeed and put a lot of time into it. Throw us a bone. Please.

Until then...
 
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[Mate, get off your @rse. You are rich. You just make yourself feel poor with this poison and spend your (pretty decent, I have to say) intellect against yourself. Very nasty loop. I do feel your pain. However, it's not the system. It's not perfect, but the doors to mobility are not welded shut. If there is a problem with your personal situation, it's you. You are rich. Act/think like it. All this excuse-laden policy mumbo-jumbo is waste of time. ]
Spent less time on the forum (unless for learning) and more getting a life;
I came 20y ago in this country with a backpack and knowing absolutely no-one;
I wish I had had all the advantages you have now;
In 20y I made it to the class you seem to envy/despise so much;
This was done with:
  • no silver spoon, inheritance or lotto win
  • usual boring work: half of that as a wage earner first and save and save again
  • no real estate gain: aka I never made a profit when switching houses (and morgage) and my current RE assets are buy and forget
  • no hegative gearing!! yeap you read me right; my IP both commercial and residential are positively geared and I pay taxes on the rent I get
look at the sky not the gutter, be positive and you will be amazed as what you can do with a bit of will/nerves
And this is coming of a very conservative investing wise guy, with a relatively pessimistic mind (but I am aware of it and I fight!)
There is much IMHO that you need to unlearnt otherwise, you will have endless pleasure in being right in your gloomy prediction on your future.
If you are a real person, think about that and maybe discuss it with some friends;
remember also you will be who you associate with so choose well this friend.
 
I dont know what chic means.

So sad a discussion has turned to a series of bigotted personal attacks. All of which are nonsense. I save plenty but that has nothing to do with anything. You disagree with me so attack me personally rather than talking about society wide issues we are discussing.

This just proves my point even further about Australian society .
 

Apologies if you find my comments a personal attack but i genuinely believe you need to change your state of mind for your own good.
I said all I wanted to in the above post so I close here.
We can go back to the core subject.
 
So if we recognize that there is and always has been an inequality in wealth

What are you suggesting to re balance it? Mr Magoo ?
 
I dont think we can or should do anything it is upto voters at election time to decide what they want. If australians desire less and not more inequality then that will happen.
 
I dont think we can or should do anything it is upto voters at election time to decide what they want. If australians desire less and not more inequality then that will happen.

Your answer is consistent with your interaction with those here.

You are passionate in view and passive in ideas.

These are the traits of mediocrity.
 

^^^
 

I'm going to leave this with the assumption that you are just another young liberal.

I could go on about how you should just work harder to earn more money because if two of you even on graduate salaries can't afford to go to the pub one of you is probably doing something dodgy but I'm not that kind of a person.

Secondly, it is not the kind of Australia I want to see built where a dual income "graduate" couple cannot afford to go to the pub.

I don't see that as progress or anything to aspire to. You seem to think it is a good system, because it lets you crap on people who will be less fortunate than you one day.

I want society has a whole to become more wealthy. That means my grandchildren being able to buy their first home hopefully a lot easier than I did. I want the next generation to not have to struggle at all.

What about people who are NOT part of a dual income couple ? Should marriage be compulsory ? What about graduates without a partner to help support them ? What about people with normal jobs ? You seem to think all of Australia should be about low income persons struggling to survive so that in 20 years time they can be slightly less poor than others. Seems illogical to me.
 

Haha. Me chic. That is funny.

I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.
 
Yes I am mediocre.

So stop complaining and enjoy it.
Your not rich and not poor.
Your mediocre----perfect---for you.

We ALL rise to our level of incompetency!
And that is where we will stay!
 
Secondly, it is not the kind of Australia I want to see built where a dual income "graduate" couple cannot afford to go to the pub.
Vixs did not say he cannot afford to go to the pub. He is simply choosing different priorities in order to achieve his goals. I have no doubt he will achieve his aspirations because he's realistic and has worked out what he needs to do to get where he wants to go.
 

You are actually very talented. I love it. A genuine on-line method actor!!



Anyhow, no-one knows you. You have come onto this site to take the piss. So, if I am bigoted against that - guilty as charged and then some, with impunity.

Australian society includes the character of larrikinism. That's great. Well done. Not that it matters, but it also includes the proud concept of the Aussie Battler on one hand, balanced by the proud tradition of having a whinge.

Just for kicks, because I am interested in the concepts raised, although very disinterested in the responses received, here is what a theoretical Gen-Y Mr Magoo could have accumulated under the following conditions. It's not really for you. It's for other participants and readers of this thread.

We were talking of inequity and difficulty with class transition.

A person/professional/Gen-Y starting out a savings and investment program at 24 earning 50k per annum in 2004 has the following characteristics:

+ Gross salary moves from 50k in 2004 to 95k in 2013 via 5k increments
+ Saves 10% of gross salary in 2004 and increments that savings rate by 2% per year
+ Given the gripe is about property running away, we invest in Australian shares at the end of each year.
+ We lever the portfolio 2:1, in comparison to a much more levered position with regards to property
+ we allow for Tax conservatively and interest charges

The accumulated value of investment net of all realization tax is $247,500 at mid 30s. A couple in that situation (which is the average earning number per household) would be into the second highest quintile of household net wealth. If one is part-time and all else is preserved, it would be third-quintile (as is typical for this cohort). All this at age 34, well before peak earnings and asset accumulation. Household wealth in these quintiles is largely driven by choices on workload rather than some door b!tch at the entrance of a path to higher wealth status saying "members and regulars" only.

Whilst property has helped some increase their wealth, those who felt left out of the property market could have embarked on a simple savings program in the next most obvious investment - Australian shares - and done very well.

Remember that the next time someone talks about malaise and stickiness in wealth class in Australia on a website calling themselves Mr Magoo. The beliefs, like the character, are totally fictional. It's been entertaining, but time to pull the curtain....

 
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I wouldn't put my name to any political faction in the current environment. Whatever it seems I think to you, I don't think Australia should be all about low income people struggling to survive. I think that anyone on a low income that is unsatisfied with it in this country isn't using any of the many avenues available to increase it. I'm not going to apologise for not caring about their unfulfilled dreams and their whines about how unfair everything is. The first thing anyone needs to do to improve their lot in life is spend less than they earn, and if that means cutting out smokes and the pokies, or hotted up cars, oversears holidays that they have to pay for on credit, boo hoo.

The fact is you are doing just fine financially but are unsatisfied with, yet apathetic about how things work. I am happy with where I am because despite the fact that I have to choose to go without some things, I am years ahead financially as a result. This has been a big turnaround from being years behind the average having wasted my income for years.

You say you want the next generation to have it easier? They already have it easier. We already have it easier. Literally the entire world is our oyster - the opportunities are endless. You can go anywhere and do anything if you're willing to work on the required skills.
 

Interesting how you arrived at that 24.7k a year in savings pro rata. You must be assuming some spectacular returns.

Either way for 10 years of dedicated hard work you barely break the 1st quartile on wealth.
 
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