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War with Iran :-0

I think we are safe until after the mid-term elections in the US. The tide is turning in the US and the Republicans in the senate and in Congress are in danger of losing their seats at the moment.

MIT
 
Ahmnwchwpiuvwhjad says Iran doesn't need the bomb.

 
I repeat...Oh Cr@p!!!!!!!!!

 

This -rhetoric- makes it scary, especially that we know about nuclear ambitions of this country.
 
Happy said:
This -rhetoric- makes it scary, especially that we know about nuclear ambitions of this country.
Gee but it's getting hard to get at the facts - Like they say around here DYOR. We know what spin doctoring can do. Even Colon Powell got sucked into it prior to the Iraq war - which he seems now to regret.

Mr Ahmadinejad, who has previously called for Israel to be "wiped from the map" and described the Holocaust as a "myth," said his warning was an "ultimatum". ...
...."This regime (Israel) will take its supporters to the bottom of the swamp."

I DO recall him saying that if some land was to be given to the Jews to make up for the German holocaust, then .. give them part of Germany !! Novel as that proposal may be, - it wasnt tabled in a timely manner - like 60 years too late, bit too much water under the bridge.

I also recall Kruschoff giving JFK the brush-off during his big sell-off of missiles to Cuba - telling him "we will bury you!" - meaning of course that they would win the cold war. That communism would outlast capitalism. ("I am not threatening to literally bury him" as he later clarified to the interprteter).

Getting bloody dangerous - but imho Maybe we shouldn’t overreact. You’re right – it sure is worth keeping a close eye on fanatics like this dude. Shame, I know some really pleasant Iranians.

Finally what a shame Powell wasnt president.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,346150,00.html
an old quote from Time magazine in Aug 2002. :-

As I said that's from 2002 - old hat. Gee but it's been a long time since we heard a "moderating voice" over there. Ahh hindsight is so damned easy - we seem to be pretty good at NOT learning from history - and pretty recent history at that. (but you're right, foresight isnt so easy).
 
and then there is this:
" This would not only signal a new beginning and bring home to the world the new era in Iranian history, but would also signify the Aryan race of its population, as "Iran" is a cognate of "Aryan" and derived from it."

See the link for more info.
http://www.farsinet.com/farsi/

I think it is important to understand where others come from and what they believe just through language.
 
We will never see the alternative of "doing nothing".Fear is the driver and terrorism/terrorists/fanatics reinforce this inherent hoomun trait.

If the americans didn`t feel as their leader then he would not be the leader.Nuclear weapon reduction is the issue (from what I`m told) or at least out of the hands of the above mentioned.

But of course I can only see/hear what is presented by media so the ulterior motives I may never know....... :twak:
 
if only the americans did not overthrow a democratically elected Iranian President in 1959 to instill the Shah that brought in fundamentalism and a inward looking Iran - mmm not many ppl know that.
 
Seneca60BC said:
if only the americans did not overthrow a democratically elected Iranian President in 1959 to instill the Shah that brought in fundamentalism and a inward looking Iran - mmm not many ppl know that.

Yes exactly. as much as the Neocons try to ignore law, there are two which they cannot ignore.

The law of cause and effect.

The law of unintended consequences.

Also, people have to realise that you cannot truncate history at 1990 or wherever and remain objective.

Cheers
 
Surely their day will end with the Bush Presidency (at least for another 20 years).

I know some would like to nuke Iran but there must be others in leadership that must be questioning their beliefs given all the unintended consequences that have occurred. I believe Bush is now questioning. Its Chaney I am scared of.
 
I was searching for a relevant thread to voice my thoughts on the Iran situation and I decided on the oldest one in the book which was started by our old friend WayneL, God bless him.

It seems to me that there are a few forces at play here concerning the elections.

Iran wants to elect a popular leader.
Iran wants to be seen to be transparent.
Iran wants to continue to be a religious State.

Do these add up?

Also,

The US (and blind allies) have repeatedly stated that Iran supports terrorism.
The US claims Iran is supporting Shia forces in Iraq, Yemen, and Syria - and therefore Hezbollah.

North Korea have been allegedly providing Iran with nuclear technology for years and are now rattling any sabre they can find.


Could the current election fiasco be the torch that lights the fuse of the next major conflict? Or, do we allow this to wash over us and be patient.

Or, is this a beat up orchestarted by the US to start the next real world war to keep their war economy ticking..

Sorry if post disjointed, I hope you get the drift..
 
the US maybe setting us up for war, but my mate osama wont allow it to go that far. hes playing a bigger game, let korea and iran get the nucs, refine them and keep the poliferation going, but quietly. somehow he'll sort the nutters out so they dont give the yanks enough credible pr to pull the cord. it only happened in iraq as bush is bush. once the pakistanians let the plans out to all insundry decades ago, it was foolproof and a lost game.

unless the black idiot obama doesnt follow up with his concept of a nuclear free world, hypocracy comes to mind immediately. USA and its best mate israel come to mind as the worset on the list, as with the poms...

caveat, i only say black as this guy wouldnt be where he is or likely even on a school board if it wernt for this fact. look at nz for prime examples of reverse racisim. this week some nutters called for all the brown locals being pushed thru uni despite any semblance of brainpower. and this is on top of an already extreme 'affirmitive action' policy re unis and all other gov institutions for this sector of race/skin colour.

maybe if france didnt give israel the nuc's back in the 50's and 60's, the whole world geopolitically wouldnt be so dangerous in this regaurd.

i actually admire kim and iran for their achievements, as bad as they may be, like the civil engineer osama, as evil and cruel as his achievements were, he certainly was effective and owned up.
hypocrytes i dont.
 
here's a twist. yet another one

the Axis is real. The proxies - Hamas, Hezb, Houthi - got played for what benefit?
 
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