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VAH - Virgin Australia Holdings

Most of VA's international sectors are flown by the likes of SQ, EY and so on, so using their low cost base.

VA flies to Au Dhabi on it's own metal. I guess time will tell how well taking people half way and then shifting them onto someone else's metal (that also serves Australia) works. I'm pretty skeptical about using codeshares. If you fly to the 5 mainland capitals then do you really need a domestic airline to provide feed?

Do you know what restrictions SQ has on where VA can fly or were they lifted with the name change?
 

They also do an AUH > KUL wet lease for Malaysian I think it is, while waiting for the return sector to SYD.

From my understanding SQ has no restrictions. SQ and EY could want the feed from VA's domestic network from mining and resource areas, and some of the premium traffic from that VA has taken from QF.
 

Thought this was the case as I pondered how they ran a flight to Eindhoven - an hour out of Amsterdam! Pretty good business model overall (extra charges etc - how you essentially only pay for a 'seat' on the flight). Of course some hairy moments flying but overall

Guess there isn't the capacity to do this sort of thing in AU?
 
Guess there isn't the capacity to do this sort of thing in AU?

The entire Australian domestic aviation industry carries fewer passengers than Ryan Air.

A pure play Australian domestic airline under the current duopoly structure would probably not be too bad an investment. Obviously with some very big caveats. Even Ansett would still be around if it wasn't run into the ground by News Corp when it was getting killed by Fox debt and then when Air NZ (a much smaller airline) took over it was already a weakened company and was trying to compete against a very strong Qantas.
 
Big drop on the daily! Not quite the Qantas what did they do hedge oil at $100?

Not sure what's going on but it probably has something to do with index trackers / rebalancers. It matched @ 35 on high volume after trading 38 all day. It is controlled by 3 major shareholders so it may no longer meet the investment / free float criteria for a range of institutions.

I haven't seen anything suggesting anything wrong operationally.
 
ASX should be investigating who ever that was selling on the close on the 18th.

 
Hi,

Does anyone know why the value of Virgin has halved since the beginning of the year?

Thanking those in advance of their reply

Cheers
PB
 
Chinese take over by stealth -

First

Then today I see the headline that Air New Zealand has found a buyer for its stake. The first thought I have is, - 'it will be the Chinese.'

Oh look another Chinese company of course they are are privately owned :headshake :vader: Like communists allow private airline companies amidst the dictatorship, it's as probable as allowing the people to bear arms!

 
When is this poor stock going to get some traction?

What are the issues keeping it low. From a purely business perspective they seem to be doing the one thing they should - reducing debt. All other things indicate better times ahead.

Views?
 
At moment patience is name of game for VAH.

Larger % share holders appear settling in, focus perhaps their own returns growth through partnerships, Dividends appear taking longer term approach with SP recovery.


Some gossip of buy-out then shifting private, time will tell if this happening, then whether price we can smile over.


Current sentiment is Hold LongTerm.


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Chinese entities control VAH so it has some sovereign and tourism risk.

I've a few kopecks on them.

I might even fly them as the soup in the Qantas Lounge has gone off and in BNE QL every time I put a sugar in my cappuccino a tradies balls comes through a renovation wall.

gg
 
VAH showing some nice fundamentals at last.

Multiple large shareholders.

A premium buyout may be on the cards.

gg
 
Virgin in a trading halt, asking Government for a $1.4 billion bailout. If the Government bails them out, IMO it will be only in the name of maintaining competition, it will be throwing good money after bad going on their past record.
On the other hand could you imagine the cost of flying, if was up to Joyce to set the prices.
Just my opinion.

Virgin Australia has entered a trading halt. Trading for the airline was temporarily paused at 9.52am AEDT pending a further announcement. ... The airline is seeking a $1.4bn loan rescue package to ensure the airline's survival beyond the COVID-19 crisis, The Australian reports
 
Finance Minister Mathias Cormann said the government is committed to having two competitive domestic airlines, but didn't outline what any additional industry wide financial support might involve.

- just not VAH.
(p1ss off the state owned predators, please)
 
Interesting article, regards Virgin and super fund bail outs.
https://www.smh.com.au/business/com...rom-their-own-ineptitude-20200402-p54gck.html
From the articel:
Unlike Qantas, however, Virgin had been poorly managed over the best part of a decade before Scurrah arrived. In that period it had doubled its capital base but generated $2 billion of losses as it transitioned from the old low-cost carrier, Virgin Blue, to Virgin Australia with the misconceived ambition of challenging Qantas head-on as a full-service carrier.

In the previous decade, which it started with seed capital of only $10 million, Virgin Blue had generated a billion dollars of profits, paid dividends and returned hundreds of millions of dollars to its shareholders.

Should Australian taxpayers bail out Virgin’s shareholders – Singapore Airlines, Etihad, China’s HNA and Nanshan and Richard Branson – for their defective stewardship over a decade of a company that, when founding chief executive Brett Godfrey left, was highly profitable and had a $1 billion equity base?
 
And while Qantas has been happy with the status quo of an enfeebled competitor – one reason why it cynically called for a $4 billion package extended to Qantas too – many fresh entrants could give Qantas and Jetstar a run for their money.
from the AFR
 
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